gman007
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The VISES of Garage Journal
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hitthewall79
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What do you guys search for on Craigslist that brings up vises like this?
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drivesitfar
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Shift: Dang you are getting some good choices aren't you. nice find.
Hit: we search for VISE!
seriously if you want the good ones you need to be quick and ready to RUNNNNNNNNNN.
Hit: we search for VISE!
seriously if you want the good ones you need to be quick and ready to RUNNNNNNNNNN.
Loydski29
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SHIFT great find congrats!
Shiftless
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Shift: Dang you are getting some good choices aren't you. nice find.
Hit: we search for VISE!
seriously if you want the good ones you need to be quick and ready to RUNNNNNNNNNN.
Thanks for the compliments guys. Good to see you back here again loydski29
Drives is right... just check for “vise” or “vice” have some cash in your wallet and be ready to move.
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drivesitfar
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Loydski: great job spiffing up that Craftsman 5197 you traded shift for some more BIG IRON. anytime you want to set up a few of yours for a family picture please do cause I know more than a few of us will DROOL.
Shift: or if you live here in the PNW they make art out of some of them and i don't see them as often or much at all lately, but i DO NEED TO GET ORGANIZED don't I.
Shift: or if you live here in the PNW they make art out of some of them and i don't see them as often or much at all lately, but i DO NEED TO GET ORGANIZED don't I.
hitthewall79
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So I'm selling this wilton 835 I picked up, what would say is a good asking price? It is a swivel base, and the swivel base works on it. It has swivel base connections on both sides however both sides are missing the bar that goes through the hole 
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davethorik
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530 just for the vises, or did you get other stuff too?
If you spent 530 on those 7 vises, that is a tad under $76 each. 4 of those vises I wouldn't consider worth $76 each (1st Rock Island missing swivel base, wards, craftsman and columbian), just my opinion but if you didn't buy other stuff, I would say you overpaid.
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530 includes taxes and buyer premium. My big 3 were the wilton, the big rock island, and the Columbian, which added up to close to 300 in just those 3. The rest averaged in the 40-50 range. People are desperate for vises where I'm at man... I sold a Columbian 143 for $50 yesterday...
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gman007
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Hit If you had asked me several month back I would have said at least on ebay something around $200 is not unreasonable! But I guess luckily for you, it seem the Wilton bullet (or for that matter any old US made vise) price inflation continues at an accelerated rate ! Here is one with no base that sold for $165 today
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wilton-835-bullet-vise-3-1-2-jaws-fixed-base-Machinist-/183079195052
The swivel base for a 3 1/2" alone are going for around $100-$140.
And for those with the base some are asking crazy numbers like $400 for a 3 1/2" wilton bullet. Of course asking and getting are two different thing but these days it seems no price is impossible.
Are you planning on selling it on eBay or locally? Locally prices tend to be lower due to more limited demand. If you plan selling it on ebay you have to also consider the ebay fees etc. You might want to put it for auction on ebay but with reserve.
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Probably autopts (a member at GJ) who is an absolute Wilton expert and authority can give you a much more accurate price range. You might want to see if you can talk to him via PM.
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va.grouseman
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I figured that little baby rotator would do good.---It did.---That's only the 3rd one of those tiny ones that I've ever seen.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/INT-Baby-C...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/INT-Baby-C...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
gman007
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I figured that little baby rotator would do good.---It did.---That's only the 3rd one of those tiny ones that I've ever seen.
VA Did you ride it to about $460.00 as you had planned? I read somewhere that in Brazil, since there is not much to do for the youth, they do joy rides on top of high speed trains and the real thrill is to duck as the tunnels approach and tragically they are not always successful. I must say you are a brave fellow who knows what he is doing and seems to enjoy the joy rides but still be careful
.Who do you think is buying such vises at these prices? members here? or someone else? Are they buying these to collect them or to flip them?
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gman007
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Shift I am NO copy right expert by any stretch of imagination but I believe a photo with a water mark of copy right OR name of the company/owner/web site is technically off limit. I am not sure at all in cases like this one when there is no water mark, what is the legal status.
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As it seems nothing in the law should be clear and straight forward, so here is another twist. Apparently the eBay User Agreement: Stipulates that (and I did not want to use their exact wording as that might in itself be copy right infringement
)When someone is posting content including photos on eBay, that they are automatically granting copyright, trademark etc to eBay. Also they state that it is not necessary to place © on the copyright work but it is preferable. So go figure
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CRSINMICH
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HARTMANN CLAMP ON
I went to a local used tool store that is going out of business. Their prices were a good indication of why they were closing. They had a good selection of good old vises but even when they get around to selling them at 50% off there will still be no You **** prices. I did find this 3" Hartmann that has a cam lock lever to move the dynamic into the work piece. Lift the handle up and the dynamic will slide freely then push the handle down to lock the work in place. Pretty nifty.
I went to a local used tool store that is going out of business. Their prices were a good indication of why they were closing. They had a good selection of good old vises but even when they get around to selling them at 50% off there will still be no You **** prices. I did find this 3" Hartmann that has a cam lock lever to move the dynamic into the work piece. Lift the handle up and the dynamic will slide freely then push the handle down to lock the work in place. Pretty nifty.
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007 I will remove the photo if necessary, but for now it serves a purpose by permitting those who revisit this page to find a photo. That auction site deletes them after a while. Obviously we’re not making money by the use of that photo. For scholastic research purposes only, right?
CRS: Sweet little clamper you found there!
CRS: Sweet little clamper you found there!
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GETRIDAONE
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Didn't someone say it's hard being green. The original color was a green wrinlke fininish.
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KMScott
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Shift, not necessary to remove the photo, that vise came from the Golden Pile and the previous owner is a GJ member and a good friend of mine. He is a good guy.
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That's a cool vise! Great job on the refinish too!
CRSINMICH
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GET: Thanks for the color info. I haven't found much about Hartmann yet, but I did find a picture of the Hartmann bench vise you restored. Good job on both. Twertsy has information about Hartmann and through that I was able to find Phillip Hartman's 1951 patent drawing. Since both of our clamp ons say Patent Pending they must have been made between 1944 and 1951 unless Hartmann didn't feel like changing their molds.
GETRIDAONE
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It looks like there was a "wrinkle" in my "finish" in the above post
I think I found the time frame you mentioned but I don't recall finding a patent when I was looking before. I found the larger one on CL and got the guy to ship it from Wisconsin. The smaller one was from eBay and also shipped from Wisconsin.
longhorn, Thanks ! The ball was very scratched up and I had to make new jaws.
I think I found the time frame you mentioned but I don't recall finding a patent when I was looking before. I found the larger one on CL and got the guy to ship it from Wisconsin. The smaller one was from eBay and also shipped from Wisconsin.
longhorn, Thanks ! The ball was very scratched up and I had to make new jaws.
CRSINMICH
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It looks like there was a "wrinkle" in my "finish" in the above post
I think I found the time frame you mentioned but I don't recall finding a patent when I was looking before. I found the larger one on CL and got the guy to ship it from Wisconsin. The smaller one was from eBay and also shipped from Wisconsin.
Get: Here are the two patent drawings. They are for a different type of vise but I assume the locking mechanism was used on the bench and clamp on vises too. Hartmann Vise began in 1944 and the patent was granted in 1951.
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va.grouseman
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Gman, I'll take a ride on the wild side once in a while just for the rush.---But once in a while I'm like the kids on the bullet train that don't duck in time.---But that's what makes it interesting.
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Shift, I've taken 3 dozen pics of EBay pics just for posterity.---If they don't want people to copy and paste then they should not include URLs.---They should do like the T---S at Photobucket.
EDIT----After thinking about it Shift, GJ is what has run the price of vises up exponentially.---To restrict pic transference would be ringing the Golden Gooses' neck.
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Shift, I've taken 3 dozen pics of EBay pics just for posterity.---If they don't want people to copy and paste then they should not include URLs.---They should do like the T---S at Photobucket.
EDIT----After thinking about it Shift, GJ is what has run the price of vises up exponentially.---To restrict pic transference would be ringing the Golden Gooses' neck.
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Alright, who was I bidding against for this 2C?
GETRIDAONE
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Joe, Those are nice problems to have. 
Outlawmws
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Joe, are you out of bench corners? Not a problem! 
The first new vise I ever bought was a Craftsman 51856 6" about 20 years ago. I thought it was really nice at the time. It was mounted where the 500S is now and I used it a few weeks ago and although it clamped just fine, it moved so crappy compared to the Wiltons I had, so I started searching for a replacement.
In my searches, I noticed the Amazon pricing algorithm was dropping the price of the 600N by about 5% per day, so I sat back and watched the inventory. When it hit $495, the inventory dropped by 1 unit (someone else bought one) so I jumped in and bought one as well for $495. It went back to almost $1000 a few minutes later. The next day it started dropping again...
When the vise arrived, FedEx refused to deliver it with the tracking info only saying "improper packaging". I drove to the Fedex Depot and found a vise with no box and a shipping label taped to the base. I assume it broke out of the Amazon box somewhere along the way. The dust cap was dented and it was generally rough. I refused shipment and Amazon sent a replacement. (When Amazon sent the replacement, the price stopped dropping and went back up again)
The replacement came in a box, but with a bent handle and lightly dented dust cap. I complained to Amazon and told them it really needed a pallet, not a carboard box and sent them pics. They offered $100 off bringing the total to $400, or to send another replacement. I called Wilton and asked what to do since I was trying to buy a vise from Amazon, but they couldn't figure out how to ship it properly. Wilton was super nice, and said if it was purchased new and damaged in transit they would send replacement parts. I gave them a copy of the receipt and pics and they sent out a new handle assembly and a dust cap. I replaced the handle and straightened out the old dust cap since the new one was unpainted. If anyone needs a 600 handle assembly that is slightly bent or a brand new 600 dust cap, let me know.
I bought a swivel base from eBay for the 600, and put the 600 where the 500 used to be and put the 500 where the Craftsman 6" used to be.
I do still have a few open bench corners...
-Joe
In my searches, I noticed the Amazon pricing algorithm was dropping the price of the 600N by about 5% per day, so I sat back and watched the inventory. When it hit $495, the inventory dropped by 1 unit (someone else bought one) so I jumped in and bought one as well for $495. It went back to almost $1000 a few minutes later. The next day it started dropping again...
When the vise arrived, FedEx refused to deliver it with the tracking info only saying "improper packaging". I drove to the Fedex Depot and found a vise with no box and a shipping label taped to the base. I assume it broke out of the Amazon box somewhere along the way. The dust cap was dented and it was generally rough. I refused shipment and Amazon sent a replacement. (When Amazon sent the replacement, the price stopped dropping and went back up again)
The replacement came in a box, but with a bent handle and lightly dented dust cap. I complained to Amazon and told them it really needed a pallet, not a carboard box and sent them pics. They offered $100 off bringing the total to $400, or to send another replacement. I called Wilton and asked what to do since I was trying to buy a vise from Amazon, but they couldn't figure out how to ship it properly. Wilton was super nice, and said if it was purchased new and damaged in transit they would send replacement parts. I gave them a copy of the receipt and pics and they sent out a new handle assembly and a dust cap. I replaced the handle and straightened out the old dust cap since the new one was unpainted. If anyone needs a 600 handle assembly that is slightly bent or a brand new 600 dust cap, let me know.
I bought a swivel base from eBay for the 600, and put the 600 where the 500 used to be and put the 500 where the Craftsman 6" used to be.
I do still have a few open bench corners...
-Joe
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Evergreentree
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I had posted a seperate thread about a new in box Craftsman 51854 from 2007 as my first post.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383587&highlight=craftsman+51854
Mentioned in that thread that I also had an old vise that was my Fathers, thought it was a Craftsman because it was originally red/orange but turns out it is a Shop King by Wilton. Reading here I know that's a pretty basic model. When setting up my new workbench trying to decide whether to mount the new or the old. It seems like it would be cool to use my Dad's vise if I could do a basic rebuild on it.
Are the jaws available? Do they have to be specific to the vise model?
I've put pictures in an album here
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/album.php?albumid=6241
Mine doesn't have the Hardy hole, is that unusual? Seems every picture I've seen they have them. Also missing a pipe jaw, are those available?
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https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383587&highlight=craftsman+51854
Mentioned in that thread that I also had an old vise that was my Fathers, thought it was a Craftsman because it was originally red/orange but turns out it is a Shop King by Wilton. Reading here I know that's a pretty basic model. When setting up my new workbench trying to decide whether to mount the new or the old. It seems like it would be cool to use my Dad's vise if I could do a basic rebuild on it.
Are the jaws available? Do they have to be specific to the vise model?
I've put pictures in an album here
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/album.php?albumid=6241
Mine doesn't have the Hardy hole, is that unusual? Seems every picture I've seen they have them. Also missing a pipe jaw, are those available?
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Tonight I spent some quality garage time with my new Monarch. It is cleaner than it was but awaits fresh black paint and gold lions head. For now, the metal is protected from rust by a thin coat of BLO. I had to drill a hole in the shelf to get it up and on display. Note the big wing nut on the underside.
I found a date code ? on the bottom of the slide... “06”. I guess this vise is 112 years old.
The Monarch joins an Athol, a double swiveller Hollands, and a Morgan Chicago in this photo.
(My old iPad posted much higher res photos... I still haven’t figured this out)
I found a date code ? on the bottom of the slide... “06”. I guess this vise is 112 years old.
The Monarch joins an Athol, a double swiveller Hollands, and a Morgan Chicago in this photo.
(My old iPad posted much higher res photos... I still haven’t figured this out)
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GETRIDAONE
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https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1482162&postcount=2044
It might be a Yankee brand ?
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Evergreentree
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Get-seems to me you solved it for me. Cool little vise. I’ve never seen one before. So we sure it’s not a rice and Miller? I don’t know anything’s About that company. Thank you. A guy gave it to me, and said pay him what I want when I figure out what it is, and its value. ��
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GETRIDAONE
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Did you click on the GJ link ? It has a picture of a vise like yours. Rice & Miller is just a hardware retailer and not the manufacturer. I think the one in the ad is an older version than the one in the link. The linked one has a Parker style collar on it.
Evergreentree
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Thanks getrid! Just looked at link, didn’t notice at first. Mine is the linked one, Parker style collar that was throwing me off. Are Yankee common or of rarity? I don’t know what is fair to offer the gentleman from a collector standpoint. I know x value is how much I want it, but that’s not what I’m talking about. I know values of Parker’s, prentiss, and the like...but no frame of reference on a Yankee
1foxracing
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Is someone here in Paris, Ohio with all the Columbian models for sale on E-bay?
I tried sending the seller a PM via e-bay and they never replied to my message.
I'm local to Paris, OH and would like to buy a vise and just pick it up in person.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/Vises-Clamps/104041/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=slussii
I tried sending the seller a PM via e-bay and they never replied to my message.
I'm local to Paris, OH and would like to buy a vise and just pick it up in person.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/Vises-Clamps/104041/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=slussii
davethorik
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Let me know if you figure out how to contact that seller, I've tried in the past to buy items from them on ebay, but have to ask questions, because they use very low res photos. No response to me, either. Oh well, guess they don't want money.
GETRIDAONE
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As you say it is hard to put a value on it with nothing to compare it to. The Parker & Erie I have of the same style were in the $30 +/- range ? The most common Yankee vises are a drill press style, so that being said your vise is a low volume one. That still doesn't make it highly desirable or a high value one unless someone wants it really bad