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Thanks! :)

The lights are ready to be installed, but I still have to make some improvements before installing them.
I replaced some drywall on the ceiling and I still have to apply the drywall mud.
I also have to finish the corner of the garage where is the sink. That's a work in progress too.
I also have to redo the wall behind the stove.
Repaint the whole garage.
And now I want to find a contractor to remove most of the concrete floor and pour a new one. This is for a lift that I will buy.
After all that I will finally install the lights. :)

So there's a lot of work ahead.
 
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BOG: it appears to me that you just made a TO DO LIST of items TO DO before you get to the original project. it has a familiar ring to it over here at my place and one day i hope before too long that i'll be able to start a TO DO without having TO DO other stuff before I start.

good luck and if you get all that done i bet you'll love your garage and so will your clients.

cheers
 
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It's the story of my life. And not only that, but I have become a master procrastinator.
I hope this year is going to be the end of the garage renovation. I am really frustrated of not being able to finish it in so many years.
 

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BOG: we all can relate to your pain especially those that didn't wake up with a silver spoon and a full bank account handed to them.

it takes a lot of cash/money/sweat (and tears) to get our garages and or homes to where we like them.

that said it also takes a lot of time so if you have to spend a lot of time making the cash it takes even more time to get to the point where you might think you wanted to be all along.

keep plugging at it slow and steady and as you can maybe a big leap like a new garage floor and lift will happen.

prayers sent to pick up your spirits and if you want to smile just take a minute and watch your dog play with your crazy cats.

cheers
 

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It's the story of my life. And not only that, but I have become a master procrastinator.
I hope this year is going to be the end of the garage renovation. I am really frustrated of not being able to finish it in so many years.

I was just talking to a friend about 'getting things done'. There have been week-ends that I am so tired from my week and frustrated about something that all that I was able to accomplish was getting an outlet changed out. I actually started feeling better about stuff when I realized that rather than think, 'I only did ONE outlet!?!?' I started thinking, 'Well that's one more thing done!'

Sometimes it takes a change of perspective to get you motivated again.

Or to keep you motivated.
 
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BOG: we all can relate to your pain especially those that didn't wake up with a silver spoon and a full bank account handed to them.

it takes a lot of cash/money/sweat (and tears) to get our garages and or homes to where we like them.

that said it also takes a lot of time so if you have to spend a lot of time making the cash it takes even more time to get to the point where you might think you wanted to be all along.

keep plugging at it slow and steady and as you can maybe a big leap like a new garage floor and lift will happen.

prayers sent to pick up your spirits and if you want to smile just take a minute and watch your dog play with your crazy cats.

cheers

Thank you very much for the kind words of encouragement!

You are 100% right.
 
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I was just talking to a friend about 'getting things done'. There have been week-ends that I am so tired from my week and frustrated about something that all that I was able to accomplish was getting an outlet changed out. I actually started feeling better about stuff when I realized that rather than think, 'I only did ONE outlet!?!?' I started thinking, 'Well that's one more thing done!'

Sometimes it takes a change of perspective to get you motivated again.

Or to keep you motivated.

The most frustrating thing is that when I have all the money I need for a specific garage upgrade, there are generally two possible things that are bound to happen.
The most common annoying thing is the lack of time. And because of this, money is generally spend on something else not related to the business.
Or exactly before investing in something for the garage, a major unplanned expense appears out of nowhere and ruins my plans so things must be postponed.
I try to be a very meticulous and serious person and I get very frustrated when I become the type of person I dislike. Having a bunch of projects on hold, not being able to concentrate on something and get it done.
 

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The most frustrating thing is that when I have all the money I need for a specific garage upgrade, there are generally two possible things that are bound to happen.
The most common annoying thing is the lack of time. And because of this, money is generally spend on something else not related to the business.
Or exactly before investing in something for the garage, a major unplanned expense appears out of nowhere and ruins my plans so things must be postponed.
I try to be a very meticulous and serious person and I get very frustrated when I become the type of person I dislike. Having a bunch of projects on hold, not being able to concentrate on something and get it done.

That sounds like something that is the same everywhere!

From what I have seen of your shop's transformation I am better at procrastinating than you!:D
 
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Thanks! :)

The last two weeks were quite hard and frustrating.
I really want to upgrade the workshop but I realised it's quite difficult.
Firstly, I had to meet with several contractors. In my country, this type of people are very annoying to say the least.
They try to scam you by taking advantage of your ignorance.
I received 5 offers for the concrete floor. And this is not counting the two contractors that said they would come to see the place, but failed to do so or even answer the phone. Which is even more frustrating.
All the offers, except one, are in the 4000-5000 USD range. Which is huge for my country. I calculated the prices for all the materials and the maximum price would be 1k. So 3-4k it's too much just for labour.
I got in contact with another contractor that made me a very nice offer and the thing is that they will also paint the floor and expand the inspection pit providing I will build the mold made of wood for the concrete pouring.
The price is $1800, which is a fair price. I have seen some of their work and it's spot on. They specialize in concrete floors, so I am sure they will do a great job.
So today I started to move some stuff in the cabinet and in the attic so I wil be able to move the racks quickly when the time comes for the floor replacement. That's in two or three weeks.

I also updated the parts and fluids inventory and realised something: I really need to change the way I live. I own too many stupid things and I am surrounded by clutter. I think I prefer a more minimalist way of live. I don't want to become a hoarder.
So in a few months I will cleanup the attic of all the stupid stuff I keep "just in case". If something is not valuable or really useful, I will either trash it or sell it online. If it doesn't sell in a month, it will go in the trash or I will donate it.
I started today by removing the Coca Cola stuff I had on the fridge. Stuff that gathers a lot of dust and it's not that special to keep on display.

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BOG: i agree with reducing clutter and stuff that don't mean anything to you especially from your workplace, but you don't need to throw away momentos or other items that bring a smile to your face or maybe even a sad reminder or memory. sure DE CLUTTER, but for those items that make you smile find a spot for a few of them in your shop to keep the fun in your life and maybe a spot for a few more in your house.

best of luck with the new contractor and you've just done what a lot of us have to do is do our research and find the RIGHT GUY FOR THE JOB or maybe do it yourself which isn't always an option.

hope you are having a great weekend!!
 
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I will keep the things that are truly special. :)
The thing is I realised I keep too many things that take too much space and are not of any use.
I have some things that I cherish, but I keep them at home.
The problem is that I am in the path of becoming a hoarder.
I have in the attic above the garage all sorts of things that I bought and that only take up space. I have plenty of space, but this is how you become a hoarder.

Thank you!
I would have liked to be able to do it myself, but in this case it wouldn't be possible because of time. I don't have so much time available for this.
If I pay someone, they will bring a team and be done in a few days. I will help them with what I can in order to save time even more.

The same to you!

Update:

Today I didn't schedule any car repairs in order to get ready for the next days of cold weather.
I lit a fire and then I chopped some firewood. Next summer I will buy a lot more firewood. It's not at all nice to chop wood in cold weather.
This was time consuming.
The plan was to also apply drywall mud, but chopping wood took too much time.
Anyway I applied some drywall mud. It turned out ok, except for a few cm where the gap between two drywall panels is too big. I will sand the mud and make sure it will be level before applying paint.
I also moved some more stuff in the attic, including the lamps that I will install in the garage after the renovation.
There is a lot of work ahead.

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Just did all 27 pages in one sitting...oh man, my eyes went a little googly.

Great garage and great story. Looking forward to more!
 

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Update:

Today I didn't schedule any car repairs in order to get ready for the next days of cold weather.
I lit a fire and then I chopped some firewood. Next summer I will buy a lot more firewood. It's not at all nice to chop wood in cold weather.
This was time consuming.
The plan was to also apply drywall mud, but chopping wood took too much time.
Anyway I applied some drywall mud. It turned out ok, except for a few cm where the gap between two drywall panels is too big. I will sand the mud and make sure it will be level before applying paint.
I also moved some more stuff in the attic, including the lamps that I will install in the garage after the renovation.
There is a lot of work ahead.

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Hi Bogdan!
Why you don'tt use coal or used engine oil in the stove? :dunno:
 
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Hello,

I haven't used coal, but that's a good idea. I will buy some coal for a test.

I could modify it to burn engine oil, but I don't like the smell.
Firewood leaves a nice smell and I enjoy the exercise needed to chop firewood.
I know there are oil burning stoves, but my garage is small.
The garage is very well insulated. After one hour of burning wood there are 18 degrees in the garage. Which is quite ok for work.
 

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Hello,

I haven't used coal, but that's a good idea. I will buy some coal for a test.

I could modify it to burn engine oil, but I don't like the smell.
Firewood leaves a nice smell and I enjoy the exercise needed to chop firewood.
I know there are oil burning stoves, but my garage is small.
The garage is very well insulated. After one hour of burning wood there are 18 degrees in the garage. Which is quite ok for work.

If you have not used coal before, I'll tell you how. Kindle the stove first with wood, how the fire flames well, add coal. ;)
 

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Didn't you say earlier that you just rent this shop? I just ask cause its a lot of money to give to a landlord. I had a friend that was renting and had a decent relationship with the owner. After he painted and did wiring heat and air, and some other expensive stuff, the owner raised his rent cause it was now worth more. After all that he had to move all his garage stuff within a week. Hope it all works well with you, no discouragement. Post pictures cause we like to see whats going on with you.
 
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Yes, I rent the shop.
It's true, but this is not my first big investment in the garage.
The first big investment was my first renovation. My landlady is a decent person and we have a good relationship.
I don't think she will do something like that because her late husband and father in law owned a car body repair shop. So she knows how it is to be in this business. As long as I pay my rent on time, she is happy.
It's true that there will always be a risk, but I can't afford buying land and building a shop.
 

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I have some things that I cherish, but I keep them at home.
The problem is that I am in the path of becoming a hoarder.
I have in the attic above the garage all sorts of things that I bought and that only take up space. I have plenty of space, but this is how you become a hoarder.

One way that I find I start hoarding is that I'll think of something REALLY cool that I can do with or make from an object. I do this too much . . . one of the ways I stop myself - or convince myself to get rid of something is to realize that it may or WILL be YEARS before I get to that project - mostly because I have other cooler projects that I want to get done first!

Then it becomes easier (for me) to get rid of ( recycle, trash, give away or sell) things.

Good luck with keeping the hoarding limited!
 

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Hello,

I haven't used coal, but that's a good idea. I will buy some coal for a test.

I could modify it to burn engine oil, but I don't like the smell.
Firewood leaves a nice smell and I enjoy the exercise needed to chop firewood.
I know there are oil burning stoves, but my garage is small.
The garage is very well insulated. After one hour of burning wood there are 18 degrees in the garage. Which is quite ok for work.

I take the saw dust and shavings from the wood and soak it in used oil. Makes a great fire starter. One thing about coal is that it burns really hot with good airflow. I usually throw in coal at night that way i still have heat the following morning.

Love the progress you're making.
 
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BOG: if you think you might like to buy your place some day maybe you can work on a deal to buy your place and have the document recorded cause i'm guessing your landlord is getting on in her years now.

just tossing out an idea for you to think about. put together a deal with fair market price today as a purchase price. then see if she'll agree to let you pay 10% more per month in rent where 20 or 30% of the rent goes towards the purchase price and maybe that can be used as a down payment when you go to buy it outright and need a mortgage. if it's already a stretch for you to pay the minimum rent payment see if your landlord will allow part of that to go towards a future purchase price. if you can pay more for rent it might help you on the percentage used as a down payment or a better purchase price if your landlord could use the money now.

since you are in a totally different country and part of the world i'm not sure how all the details work as far as property ownership so i'll let you work out the details.

you are welcome to send me a PM or email if you might want a little more help and i'm happy to if i can, but i've been retired for 10 years now from that business so a lot of things have changed here. the one thing I know is you are still dealing with people and a property that maybe one person would like to own and another would like to sell.

keep working on your ORGANIZING and best of luck moving all that stuff around in your garage while the cement work is happening.

cheers
 
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One way that I find I start hoarding is that I'll think of something REALLY cool that I can do with or make from an object. I do this too much . . . one of the ways I stop myself - or convince myself to get rid of something is to realize that it may or WILL be YEARS before I get to that project - mostly because I have other cooler projects that I want to get done first!

Then it becomes easier (for me) to get rid of ( recycle, trash, give away or sell) things.

Good luck with keeping the hoarding limited!

I realised the same thing. I have things bought years ago that I still didn't get the chance to do something with. This proves there's no point in keeping things like that.
Maybe someone else can really enjoy those things instead of me keeping them in storage.

I take the saw dust and shavings from the wood and soak it in used oil. Makes a great fire starter. One thing about coal is that it burns really hot with good airflow. I usually throw in coal at night that way i still have heat the following morning.

Love the progress you're making.
I sometimes do that too. But I prefer using used shop rags as fire starters. They burn enough time to really get the wood burning and this is also a clean and safe way to dispose of them.

Thank you!
 
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BOG: if you think you might like to buy your place some day maybe you can work on a deal to buy your place and have the document recorded cause i'm guessing your landlord is getting on in her years now.

just tossing out an idea for you to think about. put together a deal with fair market price today as a purchase price. then see if she'll agree to let you pay 10% more per month in rent where 20 or 30% of the rent goes towards the purchase price and maybe that can be used as a down payment when you go to buy it outright and need a mortgage. if it's already a stretch for you to pay the minimum rent payment see if your landlord will allow part of that to go towards a future purchase price. if you can pay more for rent it might help you on the percentage used as a down payment or a better purchase price if your landlord could use the money now.

since you are in a totally different country and part of the world i'm not sure how all the details work as far as property ownership so i'll let you work out the details.

you are welcome to send me a PM or email if you might want a little more help and i'm happy to if i can, but i've been retired for 10 years now from that business so a lot of things have changed here. the one thing I know is you are still dealing with people and a property that maybe one person would like to own and another would like to sell.

keep working on your ORGANIZING and best of luck moving all that stuff around in your garage while the cement work is happening.

cheers

@drives: Thank you very much for the advice!
But, unfortunately, I will never own the garage.
The landlady has two daughters. One of them will inherit this property, and the other another property of similar value.
So the property is not for sale and it won't be. That and the fact that I can't afford something like that.
The house and garage are of no significant value because of age. But the land is very expensive because of the area.
500 square meters means half a million euros.
By the look of the garage and the yard, you could have never guessed.
Even the existence of the garage and my workshop in such a place is highly unlikely. There are no such places in this area. Rich people buy properties like that that are owned by old people and demolish everything and build luxury houses in their place.
I hope that someday I will afford to buy my own land and build my own shop. But that's not gonna happen very soon.
I am anyway happy to be able to do what I like, so it's ok.
 

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Bogdan are you in a central location in the city? I totally understand your statement about property value especially in Eastern Europe/Balkan Regions. In your case keep in mind that in order for your business to grow you will eventually need more room to work. Having the space to expand the shop and eventually add an employee or employees is key. The first step is to establish a good reputation. Then once the people who left Romania to work in Germany, Switzerland, and Italy for example will swamp you with repair work. I was shocked to see my friends visiting our village and waiting until they drive their cars from Austria, Germany and Switzerland to do small services such as oil changes to save money. They also will leave their cars for major rebuilds and major services. If I were in your situation I would first purchase the various software associated with diagnosing the various major European brands I know there is a affordable interface for Mercedes Star System, I would also get the Vagcom system for VW and Audi, etc. it would aid in diagnosing and in clearing warning lights and such. Eventually you will have so much business that you will have to and afford to expand!
 

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Long time wood burner in Maine. A caution about coal and oil is that it is important to maintain good air flow to avoid carbon monoxide poisoning. Where wood gets smokey without draft, the coal and oil produce carbon monoxide.
 

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Bog: I totally understand what you might be feeling with 1/2 a million as a sales price, but honestly it's JUST A PAYMENT and one day that might be easier to make. with the credit of rent or extra monthly payments I was thinking of a way you could get the down payment which might be the hardest thing to get or save for.

when i was a bit younger than you maybe in my late teens one of my older friends offered to sell me one of her rental homes for say $10,000 (it was 40 some years ago and wages were about $2 per hour then). she knew i had money, but my dad never mentioned anything about FINANCING a sale so i'd always PAID CASH and I HAD ZERO DEBT.

so I told her i couldn't afford it and I bet i had $8,500 cash (I started working at age 12 and moved out of my parent's home at 18) at the time and didn't think about asking if I could pay her $100 or $200 per month to pay it off. that same house today is worth maybe $600,000.

so not to bring all this out on the internet about yours or anybody's personal finances I just know you are making that place of yours much more valuable even if you think any new owner might tear it down it really is looking a lot better.

so moral of the story if you want to be debt free that is a good thing, but major purchases usually need to have some borrowed money involved so you can pay for it over time then one day it will be FREE AND CLEAR.

NOW back to your garage and hope the cats and dogs are still making you smile!!
 
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BOG: if you think you might like to buy your place some day maybe you can work on a deal to buy your place and have the document recorded cause i'm guessing your landlord is getting on in her years now.

just tossing out an idea for you to think about. put together a deal with fair market price today as a purchase price. then see if she'll agree to let you pay 10% more per month in rent where 20 or 30% of the rent goes towards the purchase price and maybe that can be used as a down payment when you go to buy it outright and need a mortgage. if it's already a stretch for you to pay the minimum rent payment see if your landlord will allow part of that to go towards a future purchase price. if you can pay more for rent it might help you on the percentage used as a down payment or a better purchase price if your landlord could use the money now.

since you are in a totally different country and part of the world i'm not sure how all the details work as far as property ownership so i'll let you work out the details.

you are welcome to send me a PM or email if you might want a little more help and i'm happy to if i can, but i've been retired for 10 years now from that business so a lot of things have changed here. the one thing I know is you are still dealing with people and a property that maybe one person would like to own and another would like to sell.

keep working on your ORGANIZING and best of luck moving all that stuff around in your garage while the cement work is happening.

cheers

Rent with a ransom is interesting, but I think given the price of the premises it is better to apply for a mortgage loan with the bank
 

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@drives: Thank you very much for the advice!
But, unfortunately, I will never own the garage.
The landlady has two daughters. One of them will inherit this property, and the other another property of similar value.
So the property is not for sale and it won't be. That and the fact that I can't afford something like that.
The house and garage are of no significant value because of age. But the land is very expensive because of the area.
500 square meters means half a million euros.
By the look of the garage and the yard, you could have never guessed.
Even the existence of the garage and my workshop in such a place is highly unlikely. There are no such places in this area. Rich people buy properties like that that are owned by old people and demolish everything and build luxury houses in their place.
I hope that someday I will afford to buy my own land and build my own shop. But that's not gonna happen very soon.
I am anyway happy to be able to do what I like, so it's ok.
it's a center of Moscow, London or Tokio? why so much cost???
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Bog: I totally understand what you might be feeling with 1/2 a million as a sales price, but honestly it's JUST A PAYMENT and one day that might be easier to make. with the credit of rent or extra monthly payments I was thinking of a way you could get the down payment which might be the hardest thing to get or save for.

when i was a bit younger than you maybe in my late teens one of my older friends offered to sell me one of her rental homes for say $10,000 (it was 40 some years ago and wages were about $2 per hour then). she knew i had money, but my dad never mentioned anything about FINANCING a sale so i'd always PAID CASH and I HAD ZERO DEBT.

so I told her i couldn't afford it and I bet i had $8,500 cash (I started working at age 12 and moved out of my parent's home at 18) at the time and didn't think about asking if I could pay her $100 or $200 per month to pay it off. that same house today is worth maybe $600,000.

so not to bring all this out on the internet about yours or anybody's personal finances I just know you are making that place of yours much more valuable even if you think any new owner might tear it down it really is looking a lot better.

so moral of the story if you want to be debt free that is a good thing, but major purchases usually need to have some borrowed money involved so you can pay for it over time then one day it will be FREE AND CLEAR.

NOW back to your garage and hope the cats and dogs are still making you smile!!
Drives, (and my apologies to Bogdan for my hijack) Romania isn't the US. I'm not an expert but a little Googling helps explain Bogdan's situation.

"These were the best paying jobs in the country in 2016, with the mention that 2018 data will follow a similar trend (take-home average salary per month):
1. IT: 5,340 RON (1,185 Euros per month) [$17,446 per year]
2. Oil extraction: 4,829 RON (1,070 Euros per month)
3. Heavy industry: 4,450 RON (985 Euros per month)
4. Insurance and private pensions: 4,309 RON (955 Euros per month)
5. Banks: 4,280 RON (950 Euros per month) [$13,980 per year]"

(I cut this from here: https://www.romaniaexperience.com/what-is-the-minimum-and-average-salary-in-romania-in-2017/ )

The cost of living in Bucharest, Romania is significantly lower than in Seattle, Washington, USA but not low enough for even a well-paid worker to save piles of Lei (Romanian currency).

"You would need around 21,977.79lei (5,819.35$) in Seattle, WA to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 8,500.00lei [2,238$] in Bucharest (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Cost of Living Plus Rent Index to compare cost of living. This assumes net earnings (after income tax). You can change the amount in this calculation."

(I cut this from here: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livi...ited+States&city1=Bucharest&city2=Seattle,+WA )

I understand Bogdan's position completely. Looking back 40 years, would you have been able to buy a $500,000 one-car garage (not a place to live) with your $8,500 down payment and a $10,000 (or even $20,000) a year income?
 

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Bog: no way i'm trying to get you to buy if you really can't or don't want to and just throwing out ideas that I wish someone had for me when i was younger. if you have a plan that's great and I hope everything works as planned. Truthfully i'd still have several rentals if i had more tenants like you that improved the property and didn't trash it cause it wasn't theirs.

Bob: yep all over the world definitely are different costs of living so to speak. one of my kids just bought a 1100 sq ft home for $525,000 near Seattle which we thought was high until the one sold down the street from them for $625,000 a month later. i've got another daughter looking for 1600 square foot newer homes in the midwest for $170,000 and there are plenty of them not selling and they decided to rent for now.

in 2010 there were thousands of bank repo homes just in our area and now in most places there are home shortages so it's changing all the time. home buying CAN BE a great investment or maybe not depending on the area.
 
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Bogdan are you in a central location in the city? I totally understand your statement about property value especially in Eastern Europe/Balkan Regions. In your case keep in mind that in order for your business to grow you will eventually need more room to work. Having the space to expand the shop and eventually add an employee or employees is key. The first step is to establish a good reputation. Then once the people who left Romania to work in Germany, Switzerland, and Italy for example will swamp you with repair work. I was shocked to see my friends visiting our village and waiting until they drive their cars from Austria, Germany and Switzerland to do small services such as oil changes to save money. They also will leave their cars for major rebuilds and major services. If I were in your situation I would first purchase the various software associated with diagnosing the various major European brands I know there is a affordable interface for Mercedes Star System, I would also get the Vagcom system for VW and Audi, etc. it would aid in diagnosing and in clearing warning lights and such. Eventually you will have so much business that you will have to and afford to expand!
Yes, in a very central location in the city.
I know I will have to find a new location at a certain point of time, but this isn't a problem.
Let me explain: it's quite easy to find a big space to rent for a shop. There are a lot of places like that and I have seen very cool spaces which already have multiple two post lifts and epoxy floors. The problem is that these are places where other people failed.
They invested their money and didn't have the expected profit, so they ended up closing their shop or trying to rent it to other people. The most important thing is to have clients and this can't be done over night. A good reputation is built in years.
There are people that have money and invest in an auto shop and they expect to see their money back in an year or so but this isn't realistic.
I don't want to repair multiple brands. I only repair BMW. My goal is to learn all that I can about this brand so I will be able to reach the level I want.
The most important thing in a professional shop is to be able to correctly diagnose a problem. Changing parts is not that difficult. Being efficient is a different thing.
You can never be profitable if you are not efficient and if you are not able to find the cause of a problem without changing multiple parts.
Being a specialist is my goal.
 

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Makes perfect sense, here in my area, we have a few European car specialists. There is nothing wrong with specializing in the BMW brand. That's a good plan, of course it will take years to bound a reputation and client base. That is a part of laying the foundation for any business. I think you will reach your goal of being a BMW specialist, you have a strong foundation.
 
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Bog: I totally understand what you might be feeling with 1/2 a million as a sales price, but honestly it's JUST A PAYMENT and one day that might be easier to make. with the credit of rent or extra monthly payments I was thinking of a way you could get the down payment which might be the hardest thing to get or save for.

when i was a bit younger than you maybe in my late teens one of my older friends offered to sell me one of her rental homes for say $10,000 (it was 40 some years ago and wages were about $2 per hour then). she knew i had money, but my dad never mentioned anything about FINANCING a sale so i'd always PAID CASH and I HAD ZERO DEBT.

so I told her i couldn't afford it and I bet i had $8,500 cash (I started working at age 12 and moved out of my parent's home at 18) at the time and didn't think about asking if I could pay her $100 or $200 per month to pay it off. that same house today is worth maybe $600,000.

so not to bring all this out on the internet about yours or anybody's personal finances I just know you are making that place of yours much more valuable even if you think any new owner might tear it down it really is looking a lot better.

so moral of the story if you want to be debt free that is a good thing, but major purchases usually need to have some borrowed money involved so you can pay for it over time then one day it will be FREE AND CLEAR.

NOW back to your garage and hope the cats and dogs are still making you smile!!

I understand your point of view and genuinely appreciate your advice, but there are multiple reasons that make this investment not possible.
The main reason is that Romanians are a lot different from Americans.
I see that Americans have a great job mobility. You can sell your house in a heartbeat if you find a better paid job or one with a better future prospects.
This can be also seen by the materials that you build your houses. A lot of wood and because of drywall everything can be easily changed.
Romanians have a very different mentality.
The house is the most important thing you own and it's usually passed on to children or grandchildren.
In the last 10 years a lot of people have left Romania to work abroad, but most of them didn't leave for good. They still have relatives here that they visit at least once a year and most of them plan to return after they have enough money. Generally, the money they save are intended for a house and a nice car.
One of the problems of Bucharest and other major cities in Romania is the price for a house or apartment in relation with the average wage.
And I believe one of the reasons for those unrealistic prices is the fact that Romanians are not particularly cultured from a financial point of view.
There are a lot of people that get a 30 years bank loan for an apartment or house and that means they will have to live on the edge.
And because of those unrealistic people, real estate prices are very high. A lot of them end up losing their houses after a few years of paying installments.
For example, a three room, 65 square meters apartment in an ugly building from the communist period is 60 or 70 000 euros.
And not near the city center but in a decent neighborhood.
The average wage in Romania is now 528 euros or $646.

Bog: no way i'm trying to get you to buy if you really can't or don't want to and just throwing out ideas that I wish someone had for me when i was younger. if you have a plan that's great and I hope everything works as planned. Truthfully i'd still have several rentals if i had more tenants like you that improved the property and didn't trash it cause it wasn't theirs.
It would be incredible to be able to buy the property, but as I explained, this is almost impossible. I am trying to make the most of what I am able to do.
 
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Makes perfect sense, here in my area, we have a few European car specialists. There is nothing wrong with specializing in the BMW brand. That's a good plan, of course it will take years to bound a reputation and client base. That is a part of laying the foundation for any business. I think you will reach your goal of being a BMW specialist, you have a strong foundation.

I started in 2011. Now I have at least one client per day.
At first I didn't have clients. I now have a good reputation.
The problem is that it's not enough to have clients.
You must be very efficient or you don't make money. I only work by appointment. If I am not able to finish a car in order to take care of another one, I lose money and reputation. You are expected to give an approximate repair duration of hours or days. If you don't respect those deadlines, clients will look for other shops.
The basic idea is that when you have clients you realise that this is only the beginning and there's a lot more to do to be successful. It's a lot easier to fail.
 
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Drives, (and my apologies to Bogdan for my hijack) Romania isn't the US. I'm not an expert but a little Googling helps explain Bogdan's situation.

I understand Bogdan's position completely. Looking back 40 years, would you have been able to buy a $500,000 one-car garage (not a place to live) with your $8,500 down payment and a $10,000 (or even $20,000) a year income?

No problem. :) Thanks for posting!
You hit the nail on the head.
 
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maybe you could double your working on vehicles, and work on VW also? They are probably close in mechanical likeness.:dunno:
You have the right attitude, and going about it the right way, I'm sure you will have much success as a mechanic.:thumbup:
 
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maybe you could double your working on vehicles, and work on VW also? They are probably close in mechanical likeness.:dunno:
You have the right attitude, and going about it the right way, I'm sure you will have much success as a mechanic.:thumbup:

BMW and VW are very much different.
Even their parts catalogue is crazy difficult in comparison with the BMW parts catalogue.
I also identify and order parts, so that would make everything more difficult.
And the thing I absolutely hate is working on cars with transverse engines.
All BMW engines are longitudinal. Front wheel drive cars usually have transverse engines and European cars have very crowded engine bays and things that I easily do on a BMW is quite hard on such a car and it takes a lot more time.
Thanks!

This winter has been very mild in Romania. Except this week.
I had to clean snow for hours. And next day I had to start over. But it's good exercise so I almost enjoy it.

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I also bought some more vintage wall signs.
I will have to buy some frames after the renovation.

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And took Stas' advice and bought some coal.

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Bog: you don't look very happy in the one selfie and not surprised cause that i s TON OF SNOW to shovel. even me who likes to exercise might not be a fan of that much work and of course in the cold too. looks like you got it done or at least so you and or your clients can get to your garage.

sorry I thought your garage was part of your house and was only bringing up purchase options that would be to your advantage if one day you become the #1 BMW repair guy in your country. best of luck with all of that and keep up the good work. so just the garage and the parking area is what you are renting?

I was reading that burning oil in your stove might need some venting and also not sure if burning coal needs some venting. does it or do you know? nice idea and let us know how you like it versus wood and does it cost more or less in the long run?

have a great weekend and hoping it warms up a bit for you soon!!
 
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