Harbor Freight 3 Ton Daytona Jack Versus Snap On FJ300 Jack

[maico]

I prefer European made jacks.

Here's my Compac hi-lift, with and without the wide bogie wheels fitted. They have been making jacks and hydraulic products since the 1940s in Denmark.

The blue AC Hydraulics are also very good and made in Denmark. A number of Chinese jacks are direct copies (intellectual property theft) of this design but with inferior grade seals etc.

Italian OMCN

http://www.compac.dk/en/

http://www.ac-hydraulic.dk/en/products/

http://www.omcn.it/en/automotive-car-motor-bike-truck-lifts/

 

[jacked_72]

It seems that the Chinese copies sold in the US feature US designs. I've never seen your style for sale in the us. Although, they do resemble older Blackhawk designs.

 

[maico]

It seems that the Chinese copies sold in the US feature US designs. I've never seen your style for sale in the us. Although, they do resemble older Blackhawk designs.

In the UK a company called Sealey used to sell the AC re-badged and painted red. Part of their Viking range.
A well known Chinese floor jack maker copied the design. I've compared the parts diagrams and it's a direct copy apart from a minor difference in the handle and piston length. I confirmed this with AC in Denmark.

This is the Chinese 2T copy that is currently sold by Sealey.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000RO830I/?tag=atomicindustr-21

2T AC

http://www.ac-hydraulic.dk/en/products/hydraulic-jacks/dk20hlq/

Sealey Viking on the left made in Denmark , Sealey Chinese on the right

 

[MWEric]

Something that annoyed me the other day, jacking up a car outside yesterday in -10C weather, fluid was super thick. Got it up, set jack stands lowered then left in place. Tried to get the car off of the stands and the jack won't go up. Thinking I may change out the fluid to something that's thinner if possible.

Dot feel bad. I have a FJ200 that’s useless from November until April.

 

[maico]

Having bashed Chinese jacks in the posts above, I should probably admit 20 years ago I made a mistake and bought one of the generic 3 tonne (Yankee type ?) similar to the HF ones at that time, and it sits in my garage rusting away to this day.
It's still working fine and has never had any maintenance. You can still buy parts for them because they are so common.

 

[maico]

Hiball's HF Daytona strip-down pics from a while back have disappeared, any chance of a
reupload anyone ?

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6095806&postcount=687


Failing that, are their any articles on the difference between quality jack hydraulics and generic Chinese ?

Both the SO and HF appear to come from the Shinn Fu Omega range with the addition of 1970's style flared side plates...

http://www.shinnfuamerica.com/ProductCategory/LowProfileServiceJacks/1969

 

[EOC_Jason]

Until we know what components SO actually uses (nobody has been willing to tear theirs apart), the only thing we can conclude is that yes they come out of the same factory and their exteriors look the same. But to say they are the same jack is a misnomer...

 

[guy48065]

Hiball's HF Daytona strip-down pics from a while back have disappeared, any chance of a
reupload anyone ?

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6095806&postcount=687

Photobucket greed kills another excellent thread.

Some other forums I visit have a "sticky" describing a fix to make the photos show. This forum doesn't, yet.

 

[Hiball]

Hiball's HF Daytona strip-down pics from a while back have disappeared, any chance of a
reupload anyone ?

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6095806&postcount=687


Failing that, are their any articles on the difference between quality jack hydraulics and generic Chinese ?

Both the SO and HF appear to come from the Shinn Fu Omega range with the addition of 1970's style flared side plates...

http://www.shinnfuamerica.com/ProductCategory/LowProfileServiceJacks/1969

The main differences between the hydraulics concerning "quality hydraulics and generic Chinese" boils down to how the oil is transferred, ball/seat valves versus cartridge units, the QC fitment of the seal to its individual bore and then of course the type of seal used. I don't believe Shinn fu is making the Snap on nor the Daytona, actually if memory serves Sunex was listed via the SO patent in the lawsuit. It's impossible to keep up with the ever changing world of import hydraulics, but Shinn fu appears to be still using the single piston/rapid lift jacks versus twin piston in a lot of there lineup. I'm confident Shin fu is making all there Hydraulic units, they have there insignia cast into the hydraulic block, versus the generic looking blocks that most of the run of the mill jacks are using here in the states. I'm not going to try and understand Chinese patent law, but you don't need to be a expert to know there is a lot of similarities between exploded view diagrams across the board concerning import jacks, somewhere, someone is getting paid to allow all these companies to reproduce the hydraulic design that is being used, how they are being outfitted in regards to seals used/size/QC is where the $$$ is at. I stated In a earlier thread, I went to a common Chinese manufacturing website, punched in hydraulic jacks and was greeted with 100's of pages concerning all the popular styles sold here in the states, when looked into further, I was given the option to have anywhere from 500 to 1000 manufacturers bid for my business from China. It appears it's far from the "1 factory builds them all" rhetoric that runs rampant here at GJ.

I'll reload the Daytona tear down pics, as I have them on my phone.

 

[pedrodagr8]

The main differences between the hydraulics concerning "quality hydraulics and generic Chinese" boils down to how the oil is transferred, ball/seat valves versus cartridge units, the QC fitment of the seal to its individual bore and then of course the type of seal used. I don't believe Shinn fu is making the Snap on nor the Daytona, actually if memory serves Sunex was listed via the SO patent in the lawsuit. It's impossible to keep up with the ever changing world of import hydraulics, but Shinn fu appears to be still using the single piston/rapid lift jacks versus twin piston in a lot of there lineup. I'm confident Shin fu is making all there Hydraulic units, they have there insignia cast into the hydraulic block, versus the generic looking blocks that most of the run of the mill jacks are using here in the states. I'm not going to try and understand Chinese patent law, but you don't need to be a expert to know there is a lot of similarities between exploded view diagrams across the board concerning import jacks, somewhere, someone is getting paid to allow all these companies to reproduce the hydraulic design that is being used, how they are being outfitted in regards to seals used/size/QC is where the $$$ is at. I stated In a earlier thread, I went to a common Chinese manufacturing website, punched in hydraulic jacks and was greeted with 100's of pages concerning all the popular styles sold here in the states, when looked into further, I was given the option to have anywhere from 500 to 1000 manufacturers bid for my business from China. It appears it's far from the "1 factory builds them all" rhetoric that runs rampant here at GJ.

I'll reload the Daytona tear down pics, as I have them on my phone.

As someone very familiar with certain aspects of the Chinese manufacturing market, I do not disagree with you. There is little to no vertical integration in many markets in China. As such, there is a large amount of commoditization of parts. For example, you can find 100 manufacturers making wheels and only wheels, both off the shelf and custom. They can do as little or as much QC as you want. Similarly, cases will have another 100 manufacturers to choose from. Much like Lego bricks, you can pick and choose to match the quality you desire or pick one that another company has already put together.

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[Wamsutta]

I used mine for the first time yesterday. It lifted the car like it's supposed to, but I expected the pumping effort to be easier than it was.

 

[icu2tsx]

Anybody else seen them under $177? Local flyer says sale will be March 9-11 for $177. I’ve been trying to find a 20% coupon that doesn’t restrict jacks lol local store has them at $199 currently.

 

[muddyriverdogz]

Both the Snap On FJ300 and the Daytona have a 3-yr warranty. At least for the Daytona that's a lot better than the 90 days they warranty their Pittsburgh jacks.

I would suspect that Snap On will stock some replacement parts for their jacks for some time whereas the Daytona I seriously doubt it.

Looks like to me you could trade out part's on these 2 jack's. As in put a snap on cylinder on the Daytona Jack.

I bought a Daytona 2 days ago for 179.99 with coupon as my old jack was leeking and had to have a jack now.I am going to purchase a seal kit for the older one and fix it later.

I will say the Daytona is a delight to use compared to my older (2 ton, Taiwan made and smaller size)one.I work in a tight space and can't alway's pump handle all the way down but with this jack i can make short strokes and still get the vehicle up quikly.I will also add it slides sideway's to manuver into place effortlessly.For it's size and weight it works well even in tight areas. This jack is much easier on me that's for sure.

 

[Wamsutta]

For it's size and weight it works well even in tight areas. This jack is much easier on me that's for sure.

You make it sound like it's light as a feather. It takes every ounce of strength I have to muster the jack up off the floor, and by time I stand up straight, my legs are about ready to buckle and collapse.

 

[Mr_B]

In the UK a company called Sealey used to sell the AC re-badged and painted red. Part of their Viking range.
A well known Chinese floor jack maker copied the design. I've compared the parts diagrams and it's a direct copy apart from a minor difference in the handle and piston length. I confirmed this with AC in Denmark.

This is the Chinese 2T copy that is currently sold by Sealey.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000RO830I/?tag=atomicindustr-21

2T AC

http://www.ac-hydraulic.dk/en/products/hydraulic-jacks/dk20hlq/

Sealey Viking on the left made in Denmark , Sealey Chinese on the right

AC jack is a real nice one .
Chinese conveniently don't acknowledge patents/copyright, shouldn't be able import obvious design copy items to europe. usa etc in my opinion or should at least have a massive import tax and counter tax levy for original makers
Chinese copy is pretty good and typical of sealey buy in the chinese stuff and brand it up :-/ they ruined most of their range/brand buy sourcing cheap shite ...
The west is being raped by china but most seem be bending over and taking it cheap and cheerful :-/

 

[muddyriverdogz]

You make it sound like it's light as a feather. It takes every ounce of strength I have to muster the jack up off the floor, and by time I stand up straight, my legs are about ready to buckle and collapse.

What are you picking it up off the floor for ? I would get a different jack for that.

 

[Wamsutta]

What are you picking it up off the floor for ? I would get a different jack for that.

I needed to move it from the living room to the garage. Didn't want to roll it across the ceramic tile kitchen floor.

 

[blown94conv]

AC jack is a real nice one .
Chinese conveniently don't acknowledge patents/copyright, shouldn't be able import obvious design copy items to europe. usa etc in my opinion or should at least have a massive import tax and counter tax levy for original makers
Chinese copy is pretty good and typical of sealey buy in the chinese stuff and brand it up :-/ they ruined most of their range/brand buy sourcing cheap shite ...
The west is being raped by china but most seem be bending over and taking it cheap and cheerful :-/

But look at the great deal I got!!

 

[Wamsutta]

 

[Hiball]

I don't get it?

 

[Wamsutta]

I don't get it?

I downloaded to owner's manual for the Snap-on FJ200. I have an email into Snap-on customer service asking them the part number of the oil. Awaiting answer.

 

[Wamsutta]

http://public.snapon.com/UserManuals/ShopTechTools/FJ200_OwnersManual.pdf

 

[EOC_Jason]

I downloaded to owner's manual for the Snap-on FJ200. I have an email into Snap-on customer service asking them the part number of the oil. Awaiting answer.

Go to auto parts store, or even walmart...

Get hydraulic jack fluid (not the kind with stop-leak)...

Fill as directed...


Why so complicated?

 

[Wamsutta]

Go to auto parts store, or even walmart...

Get hydraulic jack fluid (not the kind with stop-leak)...

Fill as directed...


Why so complicated?

Why so complicated is because I want my jack to work when I need it. I'll be ordering the Snap-on oil when and if I get the part number.

 

[EOC_Jason]

lol it's just hydraulic oil...

That's like thinking that only Mobil 1 will work in your vehicle but Shell will make it blow up...

But whatever floats your boat...

 

[WhiffySpark]

lol it's just hydraulic oil...

That's like thinking that only Mobil 1 will work in your vehicle but Shell will make it blow up...

But whatever floats your boat...

Jack oil is thicker than regular hydro oil I think.

Meyer snow plows use it as a truck when the seals starts going out. Usually gets use a couple more hours of use before it completely gives out

 

[AA/FC]

You make it sound like it's light as a feather. It takes every ounce of strength I have to muster the jack up off the floor, and by time I stand up straight, my legs are about ready to buckle and collapse.

Really? That's unfortunate... Everyone is different I guess.

 

[anndel]

Any name brand hydraulic jack oil will do. I used Liquid Wrench oil in my Hein Werner jack last year when I replaced the fluid.

 

[Wamsutta]

Really? That's unfortunate... Everyone is different I guess.

Have you picked one up yet? Is it easy for you? If so---then you're one strong hombre!

 

[Wamsutta]

I just now got the word back from Snap-on:

"Hi _____,

In the event the jack’s hydraulic reservoir requires additional fluid, use only a non-detergent hydraulic jack oil with 22 viscosity rating. Using any other fluid will cause damage to the seals and void the warranty.

Thank you,

Alexandra Bissell
Snap-on Tools Customer Care"

My message to them:
"What is the part number to the special Snap-on high-performance hydraulic jack oil for the FJ200 and FJ300 service jacks? The oil is supposed to have an ISO 22 viscosity. Thank You."

 

[AA/FC]

Have you picked one up yet? Is it easy for you? If so---then you're one strong hombre!

I pick up hydraulic floor jacks (steel and aluminum) all the time to load them into service trucks and tow trucks. I wouldn't say they are light, but I also don't really struggle with them either.

Like I said, everyone is different.

 

[kythri]

I just now got the word back from Snap-on:

"Hi _____,

In the event the jack’s hydraulic reservoir requires additional fluid, use only a non-detergent hydraulic jack oil with 22 viscosity rating. Using any other fluid will cause damage to the seals and void the warranty.

Thank you,

Alexandra Bissell
Snap-on Tools Customer Care"

My message to them:
"What is the part number to the special Snap-on high-performance hydraulic jack oil for the FJ200 and FJ300 service jacks? The oil is supposed to have an ISO 22 viscosity. Thank You."

Does Snap-on even sell their own special brand of oil? Why the requirement to put Snap-on oil in an HF jack?

 

[Wamsutta]

Does Snap-on even sell their own special brand of oil?

I thought so when I saw that listed under the "Specification" tab.

https://store.snapon.com/Short-Chassis-Service-Jacks-3-Ton-Floor-Jack-P823620.aspx

Why the requirement to put Snap-on oil in an HF jack?

I'm operating off the assumption that the Daytona is using the exact same hydraulic unit as the FJ300.

 

[shanny19]

Anybody that pays Snap On premium for jack oil deserves to never lose one half of a pair of Snap On socks behind their dryer, to always have a fresh battery in their Snap On licensed Costco flashlight, to get their own copy of the Snap On shareholders annual report with the Finance Earnings section highlighted, and to never, ever have their Snap On alarm clock fail to wake them.

You sir, Mr Snappy Fanboy Extraordinaire, also deserve your own radio ad.... Real American Hero.

 

[kythri]

You sir, Mr Snappy Fanboy Extraordinaire, also deserve your own radio ad.... Real American Hero.

Stop doing this.

 

[visionguru]

I prefer European made jacks.

Here's my Compac hi-lift, with and without the wide bogie wheels fitted. They have been making jacks and hydraulic products since the 1940s in Denmark.

The blue AC Hydraulics are also very good and made in Denmark. A number of Chinese jacks are direct copies (intellectual property theft) of this design but with inferior grade seals etc.

Italian OMCN

Most likely European companies brought designs to China and contracted Chinese factories to make them.

How do you know the seals are "inferior"? Those seals are dirt cheap to make or source on the market. They could well be the same seals. "inferior" only because they are made in China? The Chinese can send human into space, but could not come up with a jack. That's ridiculous.

 

[icu2tsx]

This is the best local price I’ve seen it $177 today and tomorrow.

Picking one up today.

 

[shanny19]

Stop doing this.

Thanks for the advice. As a fellow PNW based P&C collector, I'll take it.
Here's some back: take a minute to explore the history of inanity displayed all over this board by the particular knight on a holy quest for jack oil before you try to engage him in intelligent conversation.

 

[kythri]

I'm well aware of the inanity from multiple folks here, and I'm guilty of it myself, but let's at least try to be better. Brand-baiting and brand-bashing has gotten incredibly old.

My questions about his desire for the particular oil wasn't meant as either - I just didn't understand the desire for the "special" oil.

 

[muddyriverdogz]

I needed to move it from the living room to the garage. Didn't want to roll it across the ceramic tile kitchen floor.

What the heck was you jacking up in the living room ?