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After life got in the way (teething one year old in a meltdown) and I missed yet another auction for USA made raised panel craftsman combination metric wrenches ($9 before shipping) I am pretty annoyed at ebay.

Any other good online sources for reasonably priced craftsman tools? For use not collection? I don't expect $9 dollar steals to show up of course.
 
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ebay and garage sales are about the only place you'll get lucky. It's pretty unrealistic to expect to get a set of metric wrenches, usa made, and reasonably decent quality, with excellent guarantee for $9. Make that $35, and you're starting to get into the realistic range. Make that $70, and your choices open up.

If you really expect to get a $9 set; watch ebay, snipe the auctions at the last second, and just wait out your time. It might take a week, it might take 2 years, but eventually you'll get lucky.
 
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ebay and garage sales are about the only place you'll get lucky. It's pretty unrealistic to expect to get a set of metric wrenches, usa made, and reasonably decent quality, with excellent guarantee for $9. Make that $35, and you're starting to get into the realistic range. Make that $70, and your choices open up.

If you really expect to get a $9 set; watch ebay, snipe the auctions at the last second, and just wait out your time. It might take a week, it might take 2 years, but eventually you'll get lucky.

I don't actually expect a $9 dollar set, but is one was, and flew under the radar, maybe because of one Japanese wrench. I am looking for a 7 wrench set to compliment the SAE equivalent I have in a tool box.

Suppose more ebay watching it is. I sorta figured that was the case. I cam find loads of snap on and Matco, I just have always preferred the ergonomics of the raised panel.
 

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Yeah, $9 before shipping is pretty optimistic....are you looking for an entire set, or just certain sizes?
 

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Till the new Stanley/Craftsman rolls out this fall Ebay, Craigs List, Garage sales, Flea Markets, and pawn shops are your best bets. Sometimes the thrill of the hunt is the most fun part.

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Yeah, $9 before shipping is pretty optimistic....are you looking for an entire set, or just certain sizes?

Yeah again I expect to pay more, missing that one was just pure bad timing. 1 minute!
 
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I have had little luck in the shops here, thought I don't find myself at them too often.
 

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I have had little luck in the shops here, thought I don't find myself at them too often.

I may have some extra ones, I'll check once I get home in the morning. I know I have quite a few in SAE, not sure what sizes I have in metric.
 

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USA made Craftsman raised panel wrenches? Whatever you do, don't touch a Snap-on wrench; you'll never want to touch a raised panel Craftsman ever again. What you don't know will save you lots of money.
 

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USA made Craftsman raised panel wrenches? Whatever you do, don't touch a Snap-on wrench; you'll never want to touch a raised panel Craftsman ever again. What you don't know will save you lots of money.

I wasn't even going to go there. The man wants and likes Craftsman, let him enjoy them in peace! We don't need another CM bashing thread to get shut down. And, I think you know my preferences in wrenches.
 

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I wasn't even going to go there. The man wants and likes Craftsman, let him enjoy them in peace! We don't need another CM bashing thread to get shut down. And, I think you know my preferences in wrenches.

All I said was that what he don't know about Snap-on is actually a good thing......for him. :D
 

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Easy:
Stop searching for "Craftsman" on Ebay.
Use the "advanced" search feature (just to the right of the blue "search" button.)
In the box where you enter "keywords or item number" type in "wrench set" or "wrenches".
In the "exclude words from your search" box enter ALL of those brands you do NOT want to look at (i.e., Snap-on, Pittsburgh, Duralast, Proto, S-K, etc.)
Scroll down a bit and click "used".
Scroll down and click "US only"
Scroll down a bit more and under "Sort by" select "newly listed".

Right now this search:
wrench set -snapon -snap-on -bluepoint -blue-point -matco -mac -cornwell -gearwrench -kobalt -pittsburgh -duralast

returns 3679 items.

Admittedly, it can be a little overwhelming, and you can only enter so many words into the "exclude from search" box, but you can narrow down the search parameters much farther than I have done with that search string above.

Why am I telling you this?

Because you're not seeing
Craftman
Craftsmen
Craftmen
Craftmans
etc.
etc.
etc.

..... and those are also the ones nobody else is seeing (or bidding on.)

you can always narrow the search parameters down a bit more by entering "Metric" into the "keywords" box.

* don't forget to search "wrenches" as well.

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after reading the last three posts let me add:
I own a set of Metric Craftsman RP combination wrenches ("") and they work just fine. Not as snazzy as my Indestro Supers, but they were cheap enough I can leave them in the truck and won't cry if somebody breaks into it and steals them.
 
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USA made Craftsman raised panel wrenches? Whatever you do, don't touch a Snap-on wrench; you'll never want to touch a raised panel Craftsman ever again. What you don't know will save you lots of money.

It is the ergonomics, I've never liked how thin the shaft (insert pun here) of snap on, mac and other higher end wrenches. Find me something of a similar thick profile and then let's talk.

I wasn't even going to go there. The man wants and likes Craftsman, let him enjoy them in peace! We don't need another CM bashing thread to get shut down. And, I think you know my preferences in wrenches.


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It is the ergonomics, I've never liked how thin the shaft (insert pun here) of snap on, mac and other higher end wrenches. Find me something of a similar thick profile and then let's talk.

In that case, don't ever pick up a Wright wrench! :shocking:
 

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First of all, as an experienced eBay buyer and seller in tools and other kinds of items, I'd like to say I've missed my share of auctions. It will pass.

I get crazy over some of the high end prices I've seen...reports of BINs on Craftsman wrench sets going for over $100 when I struggle to get $15 for some sets. There's a ton of CM stuff out there. But as in most such markets, you have to discount in your thinking the high end and low end pricing, because they are flukes. And for wanting low end as a buyer or high end as a seller, some of that is just pure dumb luck. Middle is what daily reality is.

Example: Sold a rare CM case badge awhile back. Two of the bidders got the same idea in mind coincidentally to enter $100 as their high bid thinking that nobody's ever going to bid that high and they'll win for something less. The second buyer sniped the price. BOOM! First guy won. In most of these cases, the buyer goes 'dark' and takes the hit for not paying. But the earlier bidder who won manned up and paid. Without two bidders hot for the same item, there's no way it should have ever sold for that (at least in my opinion, but who knows?). That's the same in all auctions, whether eBay or otherwise. It was pure dumb luck. So was the $9 wrench set. For either of us to expect that again is not realistic.

You really have only two choices if you're looking for a complete set:
1. Spend lots of time scavenging flea markets, yard/estate sales or pawn shops. Could take you quite awhile. And if you're busy with 'life' as you say, you probably don't want to spend your life's resources running around like that every weekend. I do it all the time because I'm retired. But even still, I've got a rack that I hang all my CM USA finds per size. Some sizes I only have one, some I have 10 or more. Haven't found a 7/8 in over a year. Got all the way to a 1-5/16, but also don't have the 1-1/4. When I get a complete set, I'll sell it and start over. Remember too that the two brands even the soccer moms know are worth something is SO and CM, so expect to pay more, especially at a flea market, estate sale or pawn shop. Metrics are even harder to find, as people are using them now, and they didn't sell so many of those in the past. Even on eBay, it would be time-consuming to put a set together with onesies and twosies, and ultimately the shipping will add up.

2. Settle on buying a complete set at once, and settle on paying the going rate. ebay's a good bet for that. But in most cases, the seller is going to understand the value of a CM metric set, especially USA, and isn't going to give them away.

I too favor the raised panel style for the feel. I much prefer the old vintage SK RP over the CM. But finding these vintage wrenches in metric is like hen's teeth. If I had my heart set on a vintage metric SK combo set, I'd have to give it up and buy it off eBay--bet a complete combo set in metric will scare $100. Oh well, I already know I'll probably never obtain it by scavenging. Unless pure dumb luck steps in. But you can't plan your life around winning a lottery.

I do have a beautiful set of virtually brand new CM metric DOE, still in the original styrofoam trays that came out of a woodworker's shop where they were barely touched, and then only gently. On top of that, they're USA -v- series!!! Going to put them up for sale soon. But I know what they are, and I'm not going to give them away.
 
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Craftsman stuff is ok for working on bicycles and lawn equipment maybe. For real work you need real wrenches. Soft metal that spreads in high tq situations. One field tech at my job lost an eye due to a ****** craftsman wrench box end breaking. Hell today we torqued a crane down to 1200 ft lbs I used my snap on 1/2 breaker to hold the bolt by wedging the bar against the frame of the truck. With a 1/2 to 3/4 adapter. Ask me if I’d do that with a craftsman breaker
 

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Craftsman stuff is ok for working on bicycles and lawn equipment maybe. For real work you need real wrenches

Ok, this made me chuckle a bit...
 
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Craftsman stuff is ok for working on bicycles and lawn equipment maybe. For real work you need real wrenches. Soft metal that spreads in high tq situations. One field tech at my job lost an eye due to a ****** craftsman wrench box end breaking. Hell today we torqued a crane down to 1200 ft lbs I used my snap on 1/2 breaker to hold the bolt by wedging the bar against the frame of the truck. With a 1/2 to 3/4 adapter. Ask me if I’d do that with a craftsman breaker
I'm suspecting that if the OP is looking for CM, he's not doing that kind of work. I see the OP is a junior member with 9 posts. Bet he didn't know he was opening up the "Craftsman *****" can of worms. He's looking for CM. Lots of other folks are too. That's why they sell so well.

Wrench turners can be such a brutal lot.:rolleyes:
 
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First of all, as an experienced eBay buyer and seller in tools and other kinds of items, I'd like to say I've missed my share of auctions. It will pass.

I get crazy over some of the high end prices I've seen...reports of BINs on Craftsman wrench sets going for over $100 when I struggle to get $15 for some sets. There's a ton of CM stuff out there. But as in most such markets, you have to discount in your thinking the high end and low end pricing, because they are flukes. And for wanting low end as a buyer or high end as a seller, some of that is just pure dumb luck. Middle is what daily reality is.

Example: Sold a rare CM case badge awhile back. Two of the bidders got the same idea in mind coincidentally to enter $100 as their high bid thinking that nobody's ever going to bid that high and they'll win for something less. The second buyer sniped the price. BOOM! First guy won. In most of these cases, the buyer goes 'dark' and takes the hit for not paying. But the earlier bidder who won manned up and paid. Without two bidders hot for the same item, there's no way it should have ever sold for that (at least in my opinion, but who knows?). That's the same in all auctions, whether eBay or otherwise. It was pure dumb luck. So was the $9 wrench set. For either of us to expect that again is not realistic.

You really have only two choices if you're looking for a complete set:
1. Spend lots of time scavenging flea markets, yard/estate sales or pawn shops. Could take you quite awhile. And if you're busy with 'life' as you say, you probably don't want to spend your life's resources running around like that every weekend. I do it all the time because I'm retired. But even still, I've got a rack that I hang all my CM USA finds per size. Some sizes I only have one, some I have 10 or more. Haven't found a 7/8 in over a year. Got all the way to a 1-5/16, but also don't have the 1-1/4. When I get a complete set, I'll sell it and start over. Remember too that the two brands even the soccer moms know are worth something is SO and CM, so expect to pay more, especially at a flea market, estate sale or pawn shop. Metrics are even harder to find, as people are using them now, and they didn't sell so many of those in the past. Even on eBay, it would be time-consuming to put a set together with onesies and twosies, and ultimately the shipping will add up.

2. Settle on buying a complete set at once, and settle on paying the going rate. ebay's a good bet for that. But in most cases, the seller is going to understand the value of a CM metric set, especially USA, and isn't going to give them away.

I too favor the raised panel style for the feel. I much prefer the old vintage SK RP over the CM. But finding these vintage wrenches in metric is like hen's teeth. If I had my heart set on a vintage metric SK combo set, I'd have to give it up and buy it off eBay--bet a complete combo set in metric will scare $100. Oh well, I already know I'll probably never obtain it by scavenging. Unless pure dumb luck steps in. But you can't plan your life around winning a lottery.

I do have a beautiful set of virtually brand new CM metric DOE, still in the original styrofoam trays that came out of a woodworker's shop where they were barely touched, and then only gently. On top of that, they're USA -v- series!!! Going to put them up for sale soon. But I know what they are, and I'm not going to give them away.

Some of this is in line with my experience with other hobbies, though with other hobbies I have other resources.

Craftsman stuff is ok for working on bicycles and lawn equipment maybe. For real work you need real wrenches. Soft metal that spreads in high tq situations. One field tech at my job lost an eye due to a ****** craftsman wrench box end breaking. Hell today we torqued a crane down to 1200 ft lbs I used my snap on 1/2 breaker to hold the bolt by wedging the bar against the frame of the truck. With a 1/2 to 3/4 adapter. Ask me if I’d do that with a craftsman breaker


Speaking of other hobbies.... when I am not being a geologist I an a bike mechanic and believe me some of my tools for wrenching on bikes are not cheap, but my bike ratchet is craftsman. Old v series to be exact.

Sounds like your guy needed better eye pro. Sorry to hear he lost an eye.

My uses aren't industrial, if they were I'd seek tools that can handle it, and when it comes to the high torque jobs I have many of those better tools.

So back to the not calling our craftsman as a lesser grade tool. Thanks for the insight folks. I tried some if the ebay tricks and have already had some luck.
 
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If you like to throw money away I have a whole tool box full of em. Sell em to you by the pound. For inexpensive wrenches I’d rather buy duralast from autozone. At least I know I can get a new one if it breaks
 
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I'm suspecting that if the OP is looking for CM, he's not doing that kind of work. I see the OP is a junior member with 9 posts. Bet he didn't know he was opening up the "Craftsman *****" can of worms. He's looking for CM. Lots of other folks are too. That's why they sell so well.

Wrench turners can be such a brutal lot.:rolleyes:

Oh I expected the naysayers to come about, I just knew there are lots of others around that find craftsman perfectly acceptable for their use and enjoy collecting and the history of the tool.

You see the same thing in cycling when trek is mentioned.
 
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If you like to throw money away I have a whole tool box full of em. Sell em to you by the pound. For inexpensive wrenches I’d rather buy duralast from autozone. At least I know I can get a new one if it breaks


Again I fully realize there are more "quality" wrenches out there. My level of use and my sentiments however don't require those tools.

And when either of my professions do, then I grab the more appropriate tool for the job.
 

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Didn’t know this was a ******* match about professions. My comment was about the quality of tools and how I wouldn’t trust them. They were my first tools and I still use my 1/4 set. But that’s about it.
 
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Didn’t know this was a ******* match about professions. My comment was about the quality of tools and how I wouldn’t trust them. They were my first tools and I still use my 1/4 set. But that’s about it.

I don't really think it is a ******* match about professions. You've a need for a higher quality tool in your line of work than I do in my line of work. Simple fact.

I'd be happy to look into buying your craftsman
 
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I may have some extra ones, I'll check once I get home in the morning. I know I have quite a few in SAE, not sure what sizes I have in metric.

And I would appreciate that! I find myself in the same boat, lots of extra sae, none of metric. At least not the general range I want for this tool kit.
 
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In that case, don't ever pick up a Wright wrench! :shocking:

I'll have to look into Wright tools. I've used their big stuff on drill rigs before, haven't had my hands off their more typical automotive size ranges.
 

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You’re the guy that brought up being a geologist. I was giving my opinion of the quality of tool it is. And for the record the wrench broke right through the company provided safety eye wear.
 

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One field tech at my job lost an eye due to a ****** craftsman wrench box end breaking.

Funny, I broke a Craftsman universal while putting on a set of headers on my Pontiac and nearly took out my friend's eye who was holding them in place. He had several surgeries but fortunately didn't lose the eye or vision. That's when I switched over to Snap-on and have been buying them ever since.

OP, I've got a bunch of old (30 yrs + USA Craftsman tools I'm thinking about selling, but not for $9 a set, LOL. Good luck with your search. They're good tools just no longer my preference.
 
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You’re the guy that brought up being a geologist. I was giving my opinion of the quality of tool it is. And for the record the wrench broke right through the company provided safety eye wear.

Again sorry to hear it, hopefully the company took care of him. And bringing up being a geologist was not any form of ******* match, just giving a little background info. I do apologize if you took it that way.
 
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Funny, I broke a Craftsman universal while putting on a set of headers on my Pontiac and nearly took out my friend's eye who was holding them in place. He had several surgeries but fortunately didn't lose the eye or vision. That's when I switched over to Snap-on and have been buying them ever since.

OP, I've got a bunch of old (30 yrs + USA Craftsman tools I'm thinking about selling, but not for $9 a set, LOL. Good luck with your search. They're good tools just no longer my preference.

I've taken out enough universals and breaker bars that I definitely don't skimp there. Sk for both. I have some if the old flying v craftsman brakes and they always looked flimsy to me.
 

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I've taken out enough universals and breaker bars that I definitely don't skimp there. Sk for both. I have some if the old flying v craftsman brakes and they always looked flimsy to me.

Have no idea but it was around 1983 so probably -v- universal. The thing just blew apart under hand pressure. A small piece of chrome actually tore through my buddy's eye. Could of happened with any tool I suppose, it just happened to be a Craftsman. I started buying Snap-on and have been using them ever since without any (or near) catastrophes.
 

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Do you know why there are loads of used Craftsman tools for sale? It’s because millions of them were made over decades and 99%of them don’t spread under load, shatter upon use, or instantly cripple your hand with their raised panels.

While I don’t doubt the authenticity or discount the seriousness of the stories related in this thread, I think they are few and far between given the number of Craftsman tools in circulation.

The OP could do a lot worse then buying used USA made Craftsman tools.


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I have a wide range of tool brands in my box, most of which are USA Craftsman made before the China switch. I’ve never had a problem with them and quite a few have seen their fair share of abuse. Still held up great.

Snap-On wrenches sure would be dandy, but I don’t work in a profession that has the **** van.. err, tool truck coming around... and if I did, for the prices they charge, those tools better with a free handy.
 

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I'm sure if you post specifics about what you are looking for either here or in a wtb thread that plenty of people will chime in with extra sets to sell. I know personally I have boxes of craftsman USA and a full metric/sae raised panel set to sell or trade but it is just too time consuming to deal with.

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