The VISES of Garage Journal

[XJSuperman]

Sorry, I'll try again.
https://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/d/bench-vise/6522996589.html

Much better, seriously have no idea why the link is different. Never seen anything like that before.

 

[jonhdw]

Parker 474 alert
https://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/d/bench-vise/6522996589.

What do you guys think of the price on that 474? Are they really that valuable?

 

[rusty65]

What do you guys think of the price on that 474? Are they really that valuable?

Yeah that would sell for probably 600-700 plus shipping on eBay in like less then a week. The big key is if the wrenches are still in place which I believe they are.


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[rusty65]

Alright here are the pictures of the Craigslist Parker double swivel for archive reasons and asking price is currently $325.






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[txlonghorn1989]

I know very little about vises except that all the good ones in my area are priced crazy. Can anyone comment on this vise? Best I can do with the pic. My first impression is that it's probably some cheap asian vise/ Thoughts?

 

[va.grouseman]

Jonhdw, like Rusty said, It's probably worth somewhere around the actual asking price but will bring twice as much or more on EPrey.---It does have a chip out of one of the jaws but that won't deter someone from snapping it up.---Collectors are really into those rotator vises right now.

 

[va.grouseman]

Txlonghorn, that looks like a Columbian, and a USA made one at that.---If it is, I personally will vouch for the Columbians, they're good vises made with a very good type of cast.---My everyday vise is a Columbian.---Someone else can weigh in on this, as I am seldom right in my opinions, but man enough to admit it.

 

[drivesitfar]

Tx: after you clean that Columbian vise up it's a decent vise. i'm guessing it's a 1960's or early 1970's made vise and I think that style was made in the USA where some of the other Columbians were made in Japan in that time frame. i'm not 100% on the dates, but it is a good vise.

 

[Razorhunter]

Razor, looks like someone drilled a hole in the center of the swivel pin and added a fake bolt. Here is a drawing of your pin so you can see how big the pin is. The minor diameter is almost 3/4 of a inch. Looks like you might be able to tap the hole and somehow pull that pin out with a slide hammer or a pry method. Clean it up so you can see the taper pin witness line. Good luck.

KMScott,
Man I just somehow noticed your post. Thanks so much! This is definitely the type of info that I need!
Anyhow, I'm curious as to exactly what in my pics makes you think someone "drilled a hole" in my swivel pin?
I also don't understand what you are saying I might consider tapping? I mean, I'm totally lost on what you are getting at here?
Please, by all means let me know. This is my 2nd Reed I've ever owned, and my very first swivel jaw I've owned.
As I said, upon first look, it looks like someone just pulled the original swivel pin out, LOST IT, and then dropped a cutoff hex bolt back in.... What is it that I might need to tap? What do I need to pull out with a slide hammer? Its just a hex bolt I pulled out with my fingers.
I also don't know what you mean about the witness mark? Where is it located and Why do I even need to reference it? This Reed swivel vise just looks like a tapered hole that needs a tapered pin made and put back in. So please bear with me, as I'm a little lost here!
Thanks so much. Looking forward to your response to hopefully clear this up for me.

 

[chrisnazzy]

What do you guys think of the price on that 474? Are they really that valuable?

Recent sold eBay listings.

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[225]

This vise ok? My buddy is selling it cheap.

 

[jonhdw]

Wow that’s crazy about the Parker 474’s. What about Wilton offset vises? I can’t find any recent eBay sales on those. Worth anything?

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Tx: after you clean that Columbian vise up it's a decent vise. i'm guessing it's a 1960's or early 1970's made vise and I think that style was made in the USA where some of the other Columbians were made in Japan in that time frame. i'm not 100% on the dates, but it is a good vise.

Txlonghorn, that looks like a Columbian, and a USA made one at that.---If it is, I personally will vouch for the Columbians, they're good vises made with a very good type of cast.---My everyday vise is a Columbian.---Someone else can weigh in on this, as I am seldom right in my opinions, but man enough to admit it.

va, drives,
Thanks. Now that you both say that I can kind of see that it could be the word Columbian.

Will it have a country of origin on it? If so where?

What is a decent price on this IF it is a USA made Columbian?

Thanks, Mike

 

[Glassman66]

Saw this guy today. IT was too rich for my blood even though i'mn green to the core. Anyone seen one of these in the wild?

That is a Wilton vise rebadged for John Deere. I believe that did that for a number of companies. Search the 111215 wilton and you will find some info on it.





Randy

 

[drivesitfar]

Bearded: that little Scout isn't worth a lot, but i do like the modified screw with the nut you can put your socket on to.

TX: I think it says MADE IN USA under the Columbian name. I'd say that vise could use some spiffing up, but it looks all there and a benjamin wouldn't be out of line for as is cause i think it's worth a bit more than that in great shape. also since you say vises are in higher demand in your area and you can put your hands on it and not pay shipping that would be a decent vise for you if you haven't found much of anything else. of course if you can get it for less or get some more tools thrown in the deal all the better.

225: that is one of the less expensive Wilton vises, but it looks like it's in decent shape so if you need a vise give your friend some cash. see if you can get the stand included so you can just start using it unless you want to put it on a bench you already own.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Thanks drives! I hope to get my hands on it tomorrow.

 

[va.grouseman]

Originally posted by Txlonghorn.

What is a decent price on this IF it is a USA made Columbian?
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Tx, I'm not to good on pricing vises because there are so many variables involved.---You've got Craigslist pricing, EBay pricing, estate sale pricing, yard sale pricing, pawn shop pricing, antique store pricing, to name a few, and then there's the regional Fluctuation in prices.---There is a lot to consider, but a good rule of thumb is to check with EBay for similar or identical items and divide by 2 to get actual value.---Here is a couple of Columbians a lot like yours on EBay and you kind of get an idea.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Co...642698?hash=item25ee4a644a:g:OBAAAOSweLBaY7Bf

https://www.ebay.com/itm/columbian-...419142?hash=item4675952446:g:lqUAAOSwObhab0gQ

 

[jrobb316]

Thanks Drives, probably right.
Here's another question for you Reed guys. If I'm looking for a swivel base for my 406R, what are the chances Reed could help? I noticed the big 4C that's still in production has a swivel base on it, or at least on some of the ones I've seen.
Anyone know if a 4C's swivel base might fit, or has Reed gone to a different updated design?
I don't even know their company history, or when they stopped production on these older Reeds like mine.
My real question is with regards to Reed over the phone. I mean, are they a helpful company, that knows their company history/timeline on topics such as this? Or are they one of those companies that don't know jack squat about older vises they once made????

I've been down this road before. You need a swivel base from a 4C or a 206. The current model 4C is not compatible (I've emailed the company before) so you're on the hunt for a broken vise to get a doner. Not easy but they're out there if you wait long enough. Good luck

 

[Mr_P]

This guy...

Is it bad etiquette to self-quote? This is a little guy I picked up a couple of years ago, and seeing those eBay prices gives me a slight urge to sell, but who knows save it another 48 years and I may be able to buy myself a small cabin. Lol.

 

[gman007]

as I am seldom right in my opinions

VA I believe you are being too modest and in fact to the contrary your opinions are seldom wrong!

And I am not saying this because you are going to gift me the Pittsburgh Double Rotator once you win the bidding. I also appreciate the fact that you even have taken down whole bunch of nice trees (but I have a feeling 10 might not be enough) to raise funds to help pay for the said vise

PS
In all seriousness though, the first part of my post above is true.

 

[gman007]

Is it bad etiquette to self-quote? This is a little guy I picked up a couple of years ago, and seeing those eBay prices gives me a slight urge to sell, but who knows save it another 48 years and I may be able to buy myself a small cabin. Lol.

Mr_P Nothing wrong with that in my book! And you struck gold on this one, congrats!

PS
Now you need to find the missing wrench though

 

[Mr_P]

Gman, I feel like you pulled a "Made you look...." trick on me. I checked Fleabay and Google.

Now I'm on the hunt for a Parker "Vise Wrench No. 1"

What's that old verse, "Seek and ye shall find"? I'll be on the Lookout for sure.

 

[gman007]

Gman, I feel like you pulled a "Made you look...." trick on me. I checked Fleabay and Google.

Now I'm on the hunt for a Parker "Vise Wrench No. 1"

What's that old verse, "Seek and ye shall find"? I'll be on the Lookout for sure.

Mr_P As we all know that is one desirable vise as is, and finding the missing wrench would be the icing on the cake (that is all)

Best of luck with your quest

 

[redline170]

As requested, my Parker 3.5" with anvil and horn through the bench vise.

I think this needs a ride in my Simple green tank.

---What year is that vice? and do you know it's value?

 

[gman007]

---What year is that vice? and do you know it's value?

Redline The model that Joe owns, has a patent date of 1867 and is possibly from late 1800 (and may be very early 1900). There is also new model #22 with a Patent date of 1910.

The value of a vise is always a pesky question and harder to answer as it depends on all sorts of factors and short of what goes on on eBay there is no established standard/metric as such.

Among other factors, are we talking what some of the GJ members would pay (ie cheapskates like me) or what it would sell on say eBay? It is a 3 1/2" vise and weighs about 35-45 lb and my guess would be a couple hundreds or these days who know may be even more (it is not as common as some other Parker models, say 97x models where x is 3,4,5 etc). At least that is guesstimate and I am sure others might have different opinion.

 

[Razorhunter]

Guys,
I now present to you, mediocre pics of what has turned out to be the best vise scoring month I could possibly have hoped for.
I present to you all, NOT a Starrett 926, but a Starrett/Athol 646 with swivel base and swiveling jaw. This 646 and the Reed 604R I scored yesterday, both came from the same seller, and it took me about 2 weeks of coaxing the guy, and flashing a little cash in his face, until he finally broke down and sold them both to me!
Also to note, just like the Reed 604R, this one has factory replaceable jaws as well.
More pics to come guys. My apologies for the tilted photos. No one seems to be able to help me with this issue. I'm not using an iPhone. Android all day long...

 

[rusty65]

Very nice score razor on a small note that taper pin is threaded on the athol vise. The thread starts at the bottom so it my unthread or it could be stuck so a little penetrating oil should help. Just a note so if you try just pressing it out that won’t work.


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[Outlawmws]

My apologies for the tilted photos. No one seems to be able to help me with this issue. I'm not using an iPhone. Android all day long...

Nice scores!


Turn your phone 90 deg (probably CCW) from what you are doing now when you take pics. It still is setting a "this side up" flag in the photo file...

 

[gman007]

Guys,
I now present to you, mediocre pics of what has turned out to be the best vise scoring month I could possibly have hoped for.
I present to you all, NOT a Starrett 926, but a Starrett/Athol 646 with swivel base and swiveling jaw. This 646 and the Reed 604R I scored yesterday, both came from the same seller, and it took me about 2 weeks of coaxing the guy, and flashing a little cash in his face, until he finally broke down and sold them both to me!
Also to note, just like the Reed 604R, this one has factory replaceable jaws as well.
More pics to come guys. My apologies for the tilted photos. No one seems to be able to help me with this issue. I'm not using an iPhone. Android all day long...

Razor Wow, very nice and all in the same month but now you need to change your moniker from Razorhunter to Visehunter

 

[Razorhunter]

Yes rusty65,
Thanks for the tip, fortunately, it unscrewed easily by hand. Does anyone know the original paint color for this 646, and also the Reed 604R? I have seen sky blue/baby blue Athols before, and black Reed vises, but unsure if these would even be correct for my vises or not? Will post more info on these vises in the coming days for sure.

 

[zoomieport]

VA, do I sell now, or go long...?

Take care!
ZOOM

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Finally found a real vise for my shop today! It's not in the class of a Reed, Wilton, Starrett, Prentiss, etc but I'm super delighted with it. I did a tad of clean-up this evening for the unveiling. WIthout further ado, drum roll please... Oh wait! It set me back $40.

PS Thanks va and drives for the advice!

PPS Any info on the vise would be appreciated. Like when they were produced?

Mike

 

[225]

225: that is one of the less expensive Wilton vises, but it looks like it's in decent shape so if you need a vise give your friend some cash. see if you can get the stand included so you can just start using it unless you want to put it on a bench you already own.

Good to know. Thanks.

Anyone recommend a good paint for a paint job?

 

[va.grouseman]

Mr_P, throw that 473 1/2 on EBay and let's get the bidding started.
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Gman, when I snipe that Double Rotator, I'm giving them your address---Going to have them shoot it strait to you.---I don't even want to see it.
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Razorhunter, real nice score.---Pretty rare find there.---Top quality swivel jaw.---You have the early version, I have the latter, the 926.---You did real good.
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Zoom, I'm like George Costanza, I usually go down with the ship.---I usually hang on to stuff until it's priceless and like an idiot, hang on to it until it's worthless again.

 

[Razorhunter]

Gman,
Yes that name would be fitting. I'm a diehard bowhunter as well, hence the name Razorhunter.
Can anyone tell me why my Reed 406R's split collar fits together PERFECTLY, but still appears as if its broken? I mean, it literally looks like it was cast, then machined, and then dropped on the floor and broken into two halves. The joints right where the collar/nut splits, is rough and irregular, and I'm just wondering is this normal? Almost like Reed did this intentionally, but it just doesnt seem right???

 

[trijeff]

The ring has to be like that, if it were cut then it wouldn't have the perfect radius.

 

[gman007]

Finally found a real vise for my shop today! It's not in the class of a Reed, Wilton, Starrett, Prentiss, etc but I'm super delighted with it. I did a tad of clean-up this evening for the unveiling. WIthout further ado, drum roll please... Oh wait! It set me back $40.

PS Thanks va and drives for the advice!

PPS Any info on the vise would be appreciated. Like when they were produced?

Mike

TX By the time I saw your initial post VA and Drives had answered your question and hence I did not bother replying but I was going to say that if the 604 was in good shape I would be a player as long as it was $100 or less! At $40 you really did good, congrats and well done.

Risking Plagiarizing what Drives has said in the past, Columbians do not get much love here but they are still pretty darn good (specially machinist ones) and this one should serve you well.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

TX By the time I saw your initial post VA and Drives had answered your question and hence I did not bother replying but I was going to say that if the 604 was in good shape I would be a player as long as it was $100 or less! At $40 you really did good, congrats and well done.

Risking Plagiarizing what Drives has said in the past, Columbians do not get much love here but they are still pretty darn good (specially machinist ones) and this one should serve you well.

Thanks gman!

 

[Razorhunter]

The ring has to be like that, if it were cut then it wouldn't have the perfect radius.

So basically they had to break it, to avoid cutting it and thereby losing a bit of material from the kerf of a saws blade?
Guess I wouldve thought they would've figured out a way around this issue of having to actually break the collar.

 

[gman007]

The ring has to be like that, if it were cut then it wouldn't have the perfect radius.

If memory does not fail me, I believe some month back there was also a nice discussion on this point here but right now I can not find the posts.