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I will be starting wiring in my shop soon.

Lots of outlets. Lots of lights.

I see this as an opportunity to buy some speciality tools.

What do I need?

I just realized I may have posted in the wrong section. My apologies, please move the thread if needed. I don't know how to
 
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A basic set would include:

Lineman pliers
Needlenose pliers
Dykes
Wire stripper - often called T5
Philips head screwdriver
Flat head screwdriver
Razor knife with hook blade

I'm sure an electrician would have more to say, but this should suffice for a homeowner.
 

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A pair of auto wire-strippers save alot of time, along with a good selection of heat-shrink, tape, connections, crimps etc...

Channellock and Knipex make good wiring pliers.
 

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A basic set would include:

Lineman pliers
Needlenose pliers
Dykes
Wire stripper - often called T5
Philips head screwdriver
Flat head screwdriver
Razor knife with hook blade

I'm sure an electrician would have more to say, but this should suffice for a homeowner.

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The real trick with solid copper "Romex" is not nicking the copper wire when stripping it. Helps if the needle nose have a cutter near the hinge and they can be used to cut individual wires as well. I've used them to wind the copper wire into a loop to go around the screw. In general, the Phillips is #2 and two flat tip: 1/4" and 3/16", but I'd also have a #1 Phillips handy as well. Never have used a sheepfoot electricians knife (the hooked blade knife). Cutting outer vinyl back on "Romex" can be done using a Stanley utility knife as well, taking care not to nick individual wire insulation. The electrician's equivalent of it is the coping blade knife, an alternative to the sheepfoot that some use. I've used the small blade on a Swiss Army knife . . . must be extremely sharp to work well.

Any exposed wiring must be in conduit or in armored flex. Dealing with the armored flex requires some tools to cut it properly. Won't get past an inspection if "Romex" is exposed between studs in an unfinished wall or is otherwise exposed on something like a concrete or brick wall. Cannot pull "Romex" through conduit either and this gets into some haggling at times but most local codes ban doing it. It's why I've used the armored cable as it comes with the wire in it for exposed runs.

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Are 'Installation' pliers something a sparky uses often? I've a wanted to get a pair due to their thinner nose than say a traditional combination/linesman or duckbill style nose.
 

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Honestly I don't use linesman pliers for anything other than cutting the NM cable which can also be done with side cutters. I know classically-trained electricians can do everything with a pair of linesman pliers but not me.

I can accomplish most electrical tasks with the following tools:

Flat-blade screwdriver
Philips screwdriver
Ideal Lil' Ripper romex stripper (works great for twisting wire nuts too)
Klein 11045 wire stripper
Needle-nose pliers (although the Klein stripper can be used to loop wire ends)
Linesman pliers or side cutters just to cut the NM
 

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I've never used a needle nose while doing electrical. Don't use a needle nose to loop the wire. Use the hole in the wire stripper instead. A linemans can be handy for pulling wire in tough spots and can also use the cutter on it although I just use a diagonal cutter. Don't use a utility knife to rip romex.
 

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A basic set would include:

Lineman pliers
Needlenose pliers
Dykes
Wire stripper - often called T5
Philips head screwdriver
Flat head screwdriver
Razor knife with hook blade

I'm sure an electrician would have more to say, but this should suffice for a homeowner.

This list makes it all nice and easy to do.

Buy a nice pair of wire strippers, it makes it so much easier. I bought a set of Klein wire strippers. They make a perfect loop to go under screws with a little practice.

I'd also get a 10 in 1 screwdriver like a Klein (I was lucky enough to find my Klein one), it will have every bit you need to hook up neutrals and ground to bus bars, hots into breakers and wire up switches, outlets and lights.

Also I got a set of these rebranded NWS ergo needle nose pliers on sale at Lowes. Makes grabbing wires, modifying loops and tightening wire nuts really easy on the wrist.

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Also, you will find that a 1/4" or 5/16" nut driver comes in very handy for hex-head sheet metal screws. I can't remember which size but it's one of those two.
 

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A pair of auto wire-strippers save alot of time, along with a good selection of heat-shrink, tape, connections, crimps etc...

Channellock and Knipex make good wiring pliers.

Auto-strippers, heat shrink, and crimps are more for automotive wiring, he's wiring his shop. Still good to have on hand for vehicles, mowers, etc.
 

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Also I got a set of these rebranded NWS ergo needle nose pliers on sale at Lowes. Makes grabbing wires, modifying loops and tightening wire nuts really easy on the wrist.

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I have the NWS pair of these and they're fantastic. They live in my electrical tool bag but they get used for other stuff too. I don't think I've used a standard pair of needlenose pliers since I got these, they just feel so much better when using them.

Another electrical specific tool is my Ideal 11-in-1 Twist-a-nut screwdriver, with the wire nut driver in the handle. I have a Klein as well, but prefer the Ideal for that reason.

A pair of NM strippers come in handy for clean cuts on the romex sheathing. For a sheathing ripper I prefer the cheaper folded metal style, since you can slide it up to where you need it, then cut down. I never liked the the Ideal Lil Ripper has to be pushed on to the cable.
 

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I have the NWS pair of these and they're fantastic. They live in my electrical tool bag but they get used for other stuff too. I don't think I've used a standard pair of needlenose pliers since I got these, they just feel so much better when using them.

Another electrical specific tool is my Ideal 11-in-1 Twist-a-nut screwdriver, with the wire nut driver in the handle. I have a Klein as well, but prefer the Ideal for that reason.

+1 to both of these recs. The NWS Ergo pliers are fantastic tools. The Ideal 21-in-1 multitool is also very helpful for electrical.

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The design is very smart, with 1/4" and 5/16" nutdrivers on the shaft and 7/16" nutdriver on the body. The ratchet is smooth and the soft parts on the handle have a PB Swiss feel to them. The wire nut wrench on the back in is surprisingly useful, though it won't always engage the cheap nuts packed in to fixtures. The hole for bending leads is a time-saver, too.

The only issue with this driver is that it cannot take normal bits. It needs double-sided ones with ball bearings. So if you need a special cross/slotted hybrid bit, or a Pozi, it will be hard to find one that fits. I like the screwdriver section enough that I bought a Wera 7/16" to 1/4" bit adapter to make it my general use screwdriver. Alas, the body does not hold the adapter securely. The Megapro bits may work. I have not tried them.

I recently installed 6 outdoor light fixtures (3 requiring ladders) and two ceiling fans using only these two tools and a Felo bit ratchet to screw on fan blades. I also used a Wiha branded Pressmaster Embla wire stripper, though you can likely get by with the flat Klein general-purpose wire pliers, or something like the Irwin one above.
 

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A basic set would include:

Lineman pliers
Needlenose pliers
Dykes
Wire stripper - often called T5
Philips head screwdriver
Flat head screwdriver
Razor knife with hook blade

I'm sure an electrician would have more to say, but this should suffice for a homeowner.
This.

Don't forget a good quality tool belt!!! Trust me, you don't want to be digging tools out of your pocket while you're up on a ladder.

I worked as an electrician for a short time. If it's a big job, buy Klein. Seriously. Don't waste time trying to find what mfr's single item might be just as good for less money, or even better. You have other things to do. Just buy Klein.

When it comes to the dykes (diagonal wire cutters)--and I don't know the specific name so please forgive my description--buy the kind with the short-length, acute angle jaws that look almost like a nipper, not the ones with the longer-length jaws having a more gradual angle. You can use these to help tighten the fluted wire nuts too.

Linesman pliers are very useful. Use them to knock out those little disks (slugs) out of the metal junction boxes, then grab them with the linesman to twist them out all the way. Didn't use them much for wire cutting unless in a hurry and using the tool in hand instead of switching them affected deadlines. Can also use these to twist ground wire leads together. Even use them on wire nits. Also used them to make a loop at the end of solid wire if you needed to secure it under a screw on a switch or outlet. The more things you can do with a single tool in hand, the less time the job will take overall.

Wire nuts....the boss always insisted to twisting these on with as much force as you could muster. It's a good idea for a couple of reasons, but lots of sore thumbs by the end of the day if you have lots of them to do, and if you can take the time, consider a wire-nut wrench with matching nuts. The guys considered them 'sissy' tools, but most of them were kind of 'grunts' anyway--you know the type. But your thumbs will thank you for it.

Yes, everything in conduit. Especially if it's a standalone building. My sister-in-law's barn burned to the ground from rodents chewing through wire. Just find out what code is for your area and follow it, you'll be fine.

Oh, and if you use flexible conduit (BX) you'll need one of those conduit cutters too. And a pipe cutter if you're using rigid metal conduit.

Spade bit for cutting holes through studs for conduit.

I'm sure I'm forgetting something. I always discovered what I forgot once on the ladder.
 
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Some of the stuff in this thread is typical GJ ovekill. Yes, you could use all these tools, and if your objective is to accumulate tools, go for it. If your objective is just to wire your garage, you need the following:

1) flat blade screwdriver to fit outlet plates
2) phillips #2 screwdriver to fit receptacle screws
3) Some sort of wire cutting and stripping plier. Either a dedicated electricians tool, or a set of needlenose with wire stripper groove in the cutter.
4) Utility knife to cut romex sheathing. Or, dedicated electricians tool for that use.

You can use a dedicated electricians tool to strip, cut and bend loops in the wire, or you can use a set of needle nose. I have both, have worked as a commercial electrician (20 years ago), and much prefer needlenose Kleins to the Klein all purpose tool I own. I just wired a fairly large house, and forced myself to use the Klein all purpose tool to see if I was just being stubborn. It worked, but I preferred the needle nose. I used all #12 wire, and the needlenose worked much better to assist getting loops on the screws, and tightening them. If you backstabbed or used 14 ga wire, the tool might be handier. If you haven't used needlenose for 30 years steadily, you might prefer the universal tool.

I strip romex sheating with a utility knife. You can use a dedicated tool, but the knife is so easy and handy, why bother? It's also used for cleaning up drywall edges, etc, so it's in my tool belt anyway. Again, if you're just starting out and start with a universal cutting and stripping tool, you might prefer it to learning to use the knife with enough skill to make it better than the tool. You'll still need the knife for stripping larger wire, like the service entrance conductors.

9" linesman pliers or dikes are handy to cut wire, but not essential. I'd suggest having them to speed up the work and make it easier.

I'm old, and have worked with a lot of electricians over the years, as an apprentice/helper, as a general contractor, and as a project manager. So, I've seen a wide variety. A few use one or more of the "gimmick" tools. Most, however, that I have worked with stick with the basics:

1) 9" Klein linesman pliers
2) Needlenose Klein with cutter and stripper
3) Utility Knife
4) Wide blade Klein flat screwdriver for large terminals and for breaking loose knockeouts (use the 9's for a hammer, and then to grab and twist free).
5) narrow blade Klein flat screwdriver for terminals and plates
6) #2 phillips
7) Universal slip joint pliers for holding onto stuff.
8) an 8 in one or similar screwdriver tool

In addition, they usually have a insert bit screwdriver with hex and square drive insert bits, an automated wire stripper, a universal Klein cutter/stripper/bolt cutter tool, a bent speed screwdriver, a couple of hex key sets, and most importantly for speed, a cordless driver and bits. After that, the list becomes endless; most have bought and tried innumerable tools for one purpose, or that looked good at the time, and have them somewhere in their truck. But, their toolbelt has the above list of basics all the time.
 
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Dang guys thanks. My collection of pliers has always been sad and mostly cheap ones. So I'm am using this an an excuse to buy some good ones.

Klein seems to be much preferred. Other than pliers I have nice screwdrivers and such. Just never seem to have the money when it comes time for pliers.

I'm fairly excited to get some decent needle nose.
 

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Dang guys thanks. My collection of pliers has always been sad and mostly cheap ones. So I'm am using this an an excuse to buy some good ones.

Klein seems to be much preferred. Other than pliers I have nice screwdrivers and such. Just never seem to have the money when it comes time for pliers.

I'm fairly excited to get some decent needle nose.

Expensive, but these are what I see used the most:

https://www.zoro.com/klein-tools-needle-nose-plier-8-716-l-smooth-d203-8ncr/i/G3708302/

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The universal stripper/cutter tools that are often touted by homeowner types are cheaper, and more universal, so you can see why they are recommended:

http://www.techtoolsupply.com/Produ...GXF-x8-s9N21FFiRi4ouLdXKSjSNB6ARoCtroQAvD_BwE

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Wire nuts....the boss always insisted to twisting these on with as much force as you could muster.
Around here the electricians twist the bare wires together with their Kleins, cut off any excess, and then twist on the wire nut. Makes for a more reliable connection, especially with more than 2 wires. Tape the wire nut open end if you want to.
 

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I'm an industrial guy, but in the odd cases where I do resi or commercial...
Klein 11 in one
Klein Curve strippers, either the 1412 for romex, or 11055 with the blue and yellow handles
Channellock 420's
6" torpedo level
utility knife
Klein side cutter/crimpers, the kind with anvils for insulated and uninsulated stakons
Klein or Knipex linesmans, but I really don't use them much other than to ream EMT
tubing cutter for emt if doing basement/garage work
small straight blade for removing backstabbed stuff
Big honkin straight blade for knockouts and prying.


Honestly, the only reason I use the Klein strippers is because they work as needle nose for most things, strippers, wire cutters, and screw cutters so i don't need to carry a lot of different sized screws. At work, I just use a set of 1003 strippers that are always in my shirt pocket. Most of the time I only using a few of those tools.
 

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For my last little electrical project I used my Klein Kurve NM stripper cutters which worked fine except I didn't like the stamped assembly for cutting screws, so I used my Milwaukee 6in1 strippers to cut screws. I'm thinking on replacing them both with the Milwaukee 6in1 NM stripper/cutters. I've read that they can nick the wires they're stripping but if I just don't go all gorilla with them I should be fine and then when they wear a little I'll be finer.
 

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Do yourself a favor and get a S2 Square drive for all the "phillips" head suggestions, they provide a much better fit.
 

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The stripper Dave posted is fine, I normally use the simple one without the jacket stripper but,,, a simple utility knife, number 9, a hi lev **** too and a hammer. Battery drill and a couple of bits. Couple screwdrivers. Almost never use a needle nose.
 
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I have these by Aussie tool Co Kincrome....its kinda clear now they may have 'borrowed' the idea...
 

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The knipex Ralf99 posted look possibly like the installation pliers I've been eying off. They look kinda handy for just that...installation.
 

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I'm not an electrician but have done my fair share of wiring projects over the years. I pretty much just use a basic wire stripper, pair of linesman pliers, a cheap romex "ripper" a couple of screwdrivers and a hammer for 90% of all my wiring needs. Utility knife or drywall saw if I'm cutting sheet rock and drill/self driving bit if I'm running wire in between studs. Linesman pliers do a great job cutting, pulling and twisting wires I couldn't imagine doing an electric project without them. Klein is my preferred brand for these tools.
 

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The knipex Ralf99 posted look possibly like the installation pliers I've been eying off. They look kinda handy for just that...installation.



Yep, they are the Knipex installation pliers - i have a couple of different versions, but prefer the basic "non sprung" ones without the lockout on the opening of the shears.

When doing domestic electrical work, I combine them with automatic strippers like Kincrome jobbies you posted above, as they make stripping of the flat 3 core cable a breeze.
 

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Another one I forgot to mention is the Klein Rapi-driv 2-in-1 screwdriver with phillips & flathead bits. Makes the trim out stage a breeze, I use mine for all my cover plates.
 

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These are most excellent. Made by Stride-Imperial USA.

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Nobody’s asked some key questions here…Will wiring be in conduit? Are you going with metal or plastic boxes? Surface mount or in the walls? In my shop I went with conduit, surface mounted. Quicker as there was no drilling of framing to run wires, easy to add on to, metal boxes for durability, quad boxes so there are plenty of outlets. Working with conduit I didn’t have to deal with Romex just ran my 12 gauge conductors in the 3/4conduit.

Is this shop in a basement, garage or a dedicated outbuilding? Remember to provide gfi protection via a gcfi breaker or outlet.

Just curious what are you using for lighting? I converted all the lights at a business to LED and was able to get the old fluorescent free. Beats the old hanging shop lights Iwas using.
LED lighting is bright, and extremely energy efficient. And unlike fluorescent, not sensitive to temperature. If you already have fluorescent lights there are LED conversion kits out there.

Is the panel in the workshop? If not, consider running a sub panel to the workshop as running from the garage to the basement to reset breakers will get real old,real fast. A 50 amp sub is a good size for most needs.

Good luck with your project and stay safe. Let us know how it goes. And take pictures.
 
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For my last little electrical project I used my Klein Kurve NM stripper cutters which worked fine except I didn't like the stamped assembly for cutting screws, so I used my Milwaukee 6in1 strippers to cut screws. I'm thinking on replacing them both with the Milwaukee 6in1 NM stripper/cutters. I've read that they can nick the wires they're stripping but if I just don't go all gorilla with them I should be fine and then when they wear a little I'll be finer.

I've also gone over to Milwaukee insulated drivers. Not for them being insulated but for the insulation making it easy to twirl them by the shanks with my fingers. Klein insulated drivers would work just as well for that but HD doesn't carry them and they are pretty expensive.
 
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