Harbor Freight 3 Ton Daytona Jack Versus Snap On FJ300 Jack

[Wamsutta]

What the heck was you jacking up in the living room ?

I didn't want to unbox it in the garage because I didn't want to mark the wheels up incase I need to take it back to HF.

 

[maico]

I think what upsets SO is that HF knocking copy. It's something that went of the window years ago in UK advertising because it's so low rent and ultimately reduces brand value.

 

[bmwpowere36m3]

Anyone notice that Eric.O from SMA has a Daytona jack? I've had mine for a year or so, no problems... thought it does require a lot of pumps (always did).

 

[jacked_72]

Eric O seems to have a lot of Harbor Freight stuff, including the Earthquake impacts. He seems to be happy with the stuff. His Daytona jack looks well used to say the least. The one HF tool that he's currently using and which looks reasonably promising to me is the cordless ratchet. Its up around $120 now, though. Anyone know if it goes for much less than that?

 

[Wamsutta]

His Daytona jack looks well used to say the least.

Yes and I think that's ridiculous. He needs to wipe the thing down with a shop towel and some WD-40. Bright yellow shows everything.

 

[6PTsocket]

They are likely the exact same jack (Minus small cosmetics as far as bend radius on the sheet steel) made in the same factory, but it isn't a matter of Snap-On selling a rebranded HF jack or vice versa. There are tons of tool factories in China who make tools. They are the OEM providers for HF and O'Reilly and Craftsman and a ton of others.

You go to them and say, here's my logo, here's my color scheme. Can you make me Firworks branded jacks? They come back and say unit price would be 34$ a piece @ 1000 qty. They send me one they mock up or some pictures. I give the goahead and then I negotiate freight to get a container of them stateside and put them in my stores. Sell them for 98$ with a 20% off coupon and all is peachy.

HF is not the designer of at least most of the tools they sell. Their model is, buying a whole ton of tools from China and testing them out at their HQ. Figuring out which ones work / are a good value and then selling those in their stores.

I was with you until that last part. It would appear they take it into their "state of the art testing lab" and try and figure how many won't last 90 days and will have to be replaced or refunded. There was a GJ post from a member that said he bought 6 Daytona jacks fir his business and they all failed within the 3 year warranty and some of the replacements have also failed. So much for "just as good as".

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[Wamsutta]

There was a GJ post from a member that said he bought 6 Daytona jacks fir his business and they all failed within the 3 year warranty and some of the replacements have also failed.

Can you find me that post? That would be interesting.

 

[dkroth]

There was a GJ post from a member that said he bought 6 Daytona jacks fir his business and they all failed within the 3 year warranty and some of the replacements have also failed. So much for "just as good as".

3 year warranty period?

Aren't they all still under warranty?

When did the Daytona come out? The first post in this thread is from 8/2016 and refers to "the new" Daytona jack. That's 19 months ago.



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[6PTsocket]

As much as I generally like Snap On tools, I love this. I think every company who offshores production deserves to end up with poo on their shoes.

As SO has always outsourced their jacks and virtually all the sources have gone off shore, where is SO suoposed to get them?
Hein Wener is owned by Shinn Fu. It appears the popular 2 and 3 ton are now made off shore. The bigger ones are made in their US plant but it is still a foreign company. SO makes hand tools and out sources the rest.

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[Wamsutta]

As SO has always outsourced their jacks and virtually all the sources have gone off shore, where is SO suoposed to get them?

http://www.milwaukeejack.com/products.html

They're U.S. made and SO could charge a couple thousand each for them.

 

[kythri]

Can you find me that post? That would be interesting.

I'd like to see this as well.

 

[maico]

Most likely European companies brought designs to China and contracted Chinese factories to make them.

How do you know the seals are "inferior"? Those seals are dirt cheap to make or source on the market. They could well be the same seals. "inferior" only because they are made in China? The Chinese can send human into space, but could not come up with a jack. That's ridiculous.

No they didn't. Go and visit the Compac factory. Chinese jacks are built to a price. The companies I mentioned build them to European industrial standards

 

[xin]

As SO has always outsourced their jacks and virtually all the sources have gone off shore, where is SO suoposed to get them?
Hein Wener is owned by Shinn Fu. It appears the popular 2 and 3 ton are now made off shore. The bigger ones are made in their US plant but it is still a foreign company. SO makes hand tools and out sources the rest.

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Where is the proof for them outsourcing everything else?

 

[sucking chest wound]

No they didn't. Go and visit the Compac factory. Chinese jacks are built to a price. The companies I mentioned build them to European industrial standards

Indeed. It is fun fantasy for value buyers of things like these jacks to believe they are built to any level of industrial quality. I have a few friends who believe that "those downright values" at Harbor Freight expose some kind of conspiracy to rip off people who buy more expensive tools (jacks in this case).

Yeah, fine. Same people who roll without health insurance and have no clue how they'll deal with the fallout from having a roached Kia Rio fall on their chest during a garage oil change.

That said, I own a Daytona jack because my use for it is swapping on/off snow tires twice a year.

I wouldn't do business with it daily.

 

[vssjim]

I'd like to see this as well.

That quote is on the reviews of the Daytona jack on the harbor freight web page under the bad 1 star reviews I happen to see it there

 

[muddyriverdogz]

That quote is on the reviews of the Daytona jack on the harbor freight web page under the bad 1 star reviews I happen to see it there

Could be somebody who just want's to bash HF (not that they don't need bashing when it comes to certain items and practices). Out of 291 reviews there is only 8 that are 2 stars and under. I would like to see a member on here show us one that has failed. I need some real evidence these day's.

 

[Wamsutta]

Could be somebody who just want's to bash HF (not that they don't need bashing when it comes to certain items and practices). Out of 291 reviews there is only 8 that are 2 stars and under. I would like to see a member on here show us one that has failed. I need some real evidence these day's.

Well I can tell you that mine is still in the living room and it raises up a puff of air just fine. Might try a phonebook or encyclopedia next.

 

[kythri]

That quote is on the reviews of the Daytona jack on the harbor freight web page under the bad 1 star reviews I happen to see it there

So, not a GJ member's post here, as was claimed. Unsurprising.

Could be somebody who just want's to bash HF (not that they don't need bashing when it comes to certain items and practices). Out of 291 reviews there is only 8 that are 2 stars and under. I would like to see a member on here show us one that has failed. I need some real evidence these day's.

Likewise. I quite seriously doubt a failure rate that high, from a single person.

 

[red61cj5]

Could be somebody who just want's to bash HF (not that they don't need bashing when it comes to certain items and practices). Out of 291 reviews there is only 8 that are 2 stars and under. I would like to see a member on here show us one that has failed. I need some real evidence these day's.

It happens. I was just reading about how this thread was used in the court case, and the suspicion that the OP was actually seeding the thread in order to create evidence of how users view the jacks. Industrial espionage on GJ! WooHoo
edit: I just found the page where this was covered, sorry, it is 60 pages long.

 

[xin]

As SO has always outsourced their jacks and virtually all the sources have gone off shore, where is SO suoposed to get them?
Hein Wener is owned by Shinn Fu. It appears the popular 2 and 3 ton are now made off shore. The bigger ones are made in their US plant but it is still a foreign company. SO makes hand tools and out sources the rest.

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Please provide the PROOF of these statements please.

 

[Hiball]

Please provide the PROOF of these statements please.

Does 25+ years of hydraulic Jack service count? You provide me with a Snap on "Domestic" YA part number and I'll give you the Oem. Snap on does not, nor have they ever manufactured any lift equipment they sell under the Snap on Name..

 

[Wamsutta]

I've had mine for a year or so, no problems... thought it does require a lot of pumps (always did).

Mine requires a lot of pumps too. My 25 year old HF jack doesn't require anywhere near as many pumps. I sure wish I could've got it working, but without an exact specific drawing, it's hard to repair.

 

[xin]

Does 25+ years of hydraulic Jack service count? You provide me with a Snap on "Domestic" YA part number and I'll give you the Oem. Snap on does not, nor have they ever manufactured any lift equipment they sell under the Snap on Name..

Not what you said - kinda teetering on some legality areas I would think...

Reminds me of the fella that had 20 years in this, 10 in this and 15 in this and on and on. By the time one added it up he would have been 140 years old.

 

[AA/FC]

Please provide the PROOF of these statements please.

The proof is on the Snap on website..... they list the country of origin for all of their products. Do you really believe the SO jacks are actually made by SO in a factory here in the USA?

 

[Hiball]

Not what you said - kinda teetering on some legality areas I would think...

Reminds me of the fella that had 20 years in this, 10 in this and 15 in this and on and on. By the time one added it up he would have been 140 years old.

Your free to come to whatever conclusion about my knowledge you wish... the ball is in your court, find a model... I will respond, probably not in some weird script, but never the less I will respond.

 

[xin]

The proof is on the Snap on website..... they list the country of origin for all of their products. Do you really believe the SO jacks are actually made by SO in a factory here in the USA?

They are made in USA not outsourced to some foreign location as stated by someone else.

That is what is incorrect.

 

[Hiball]

They are made in USA not outsourced to some foreign location as stated by someone else.

That is what is incorrect.

A current review of Snap on's Online catalog show "Zero" made in the USA jacks in there lineup, previously you would find HW 9xxxx series (Assembled/100%) jacks in short/long frame, but it appears they are all import designs made in China. <--- There words, Not mine... But I concur.

 

[vssjim]

Mine requires a lot of pumps too. My 25 year old HF jack doesn't require anywhere near as many pumps. I sure wish I could've got it working, but without an exact specific drawing, it's hard to repair.

Maybe you should go by the store and if a floor model works better return it and get another one until you get a good one.

 

[1969]

Hiball...... you really are being too kind. Some people............

 

[Hiball]

Maybe you should go by the store and if a floor model works better return it and get another one until you get a good one.

My guess is that he is tired of lugging his Daytona back and forth to HF, I think he is on his 3rd one. The floor model won't prove anything, The amount of pumps is takes to get the load to full height is directly related to how far the lift point is off the ground. The Speed side of the Jack only works when the Jack is off load, once the pad reaches the load the Power side takes over. If the lift point is close to the ground, it's going to take more pumps to raise to full height. If your lifting something with higher lift point, you will get both power/speed till it reaches the load, then the power side takes over, thus less pumps.

 

[thesilverone]

Hiball don't even bother

 

[pelletman]

So what is the verdict on the Daytona jack? I've read a couple of pages and really am not getting an idea of if I should have one or not

 

[bmwpowere36m3]

My guess is that he is tired of lugging his Daytona back and forth to HF, I think he is on his 3rd one. The floor model won't prove anything, The amount of pumps is takes to get the load to full height is directly related to how far the lift point is off the ground. The Speed side of the Jack only works when the Jack is off load, once the pad reaches the load the Power side takes over. If the lift point is close to the ground, it's going to take more pumps to raise to full height. If your lifting something with higher lift point, you will get both power/speed till it reaches the load, then the power side takes over, thus less pumps.

+1

Should have been more specific... under load and low lift point = lots of pumps to get to full height. The speed-side work fine, ~5 pumps and its full up (no load).

 

[IowaDon]

So what is the verdict on the Daytona jack? I've read a couple of pages and really am not getting an idea of if I should have one or not

Look at post #687 in this long *** thread. The most knowledgeable member of this forum (when it comes to jacks) tore one down and described what he found. In November... Of 2016.

 

[Wamsutta]

So what is the verdict on the Daytona jack? I've read a couple of pages and really am not getting an idea of if I should have one or not

I haven't used one often enough to give you an accurate opinion. All I can tell you is the thing is very, very, heavy.

 

[AA/FC]

Link: https://store.snapon.com/Jacks-3-Ton-Floor-Jack-P823620.aspx

 

[skunkape1]

They are made in USA not outsourced to some foreign location as stated by someone else.

That is what is incorrect.

Herein lies the problem that Snap On created themselves. People obviously believe that everything bearing the Snap On name is made in the USA. The Daytona jack fiasco has exposed the fact that this isn't true in all cases, and that this HF product is so similar that it may be produced in the same factory. Snap On could have avoided this problem had they slapped their Blue Point name on this jack. Of course, they wouldn't have been able to charge the premium they do, simply because of the name.

Even then people are misinformed. I was at an auction 2 weeks ago where the auctioneer introduced items as "Blue Point, same as Snap On." People bought it and were paying more than new prices for used Blue Point tools that were asian made.

Why doesn't Snap On rebrand the made in Spain Compac jack? I myself am glad to have just learned of this jack in another thread. I was all set to buy a Daytona until I learned of the true quality that is the Compac.

 

[bubinga]

Not what you said - kinda teetering on some legality areas I would think...

Reminds me of the fella that had 20 years in this, 10 in this and 15 in this and on and on. By the time one added it up he would have been 140 years old.

Your free to come to whatever conclusion about my knowledge you wish... the ball is in your court, find a model... I will respond, probably not in some weird script, but never the less I will respond.

They are made in USA not outsourced to some foreign location as stated by someone else.

That is what is incorrect.

A current review of Snap on's Online catalog show "Zero" made in the USA jacks in there lineup, previously you would find HW 9xxxx series (Assembled/100%) jacks in short/long frame, but it appears they are all import designs made in China. <--- There words, Not mine... But I concur.

Hiball...... you really are being too kind. Some people............

@ xin, Hiball knows what he's doing. You
Remind me of the fella that comes on here, and mouths off to people that are always willing to help, never tries to help anyone, never tells anyone Nice Job on anything, just likes to act smart, and dosen't hang around for very long.
Highball knows what he is doing, and is willing to help.
We are all nice to each other on here, attitudes are not appreciated, nor needed. .
if you can't say something nice...................

 

[dogdog]

Hiball...... you really are being too kind. Some people............

I think it's a soft spot for them tools...

 

[Sir Eatsalot]

Look at post #687 in this long *** thread. The most knowledgeable member of this forum (when it comes to jacks) tore one down and described what he found. In November... Of 2016.

Yes, but now he needs to tear down the Snap-on jack and compare individual parts. A real head to head showdown, a "jack-off" if you will.