Outlawmws
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Yeah, I think your right but a flat jaw face like that is an easy fix.
The VISES of Garage Journal
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Outlawmws
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Depends on your definition but there are numerous earlier examples. the George A. Colton patent, No. 320,224. Patented June 16, 1885. is one. Not quite a full cylinder on either the body or slide, but close. There were others and I think at least one was even earlier.
Mark in Indiana
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All:
For your review.
One of the more "interesting" restorations I've seen in awhile.
The seller wants 60$ firm.
Is it actually listed as a "vise", or something more accurate like a bookend or doorstop?
I actually don't believe that is the "modern" version. AFAIK the current Peddinghaus vises don't have the adjustable gibs or the chip wipers on the static jaw. And the anvil is significantly larger. I own one like that, and it's an amazing vise.
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Summersteel
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I have acquired a Reed 1C vise yesterday. However, it is missing one of the swivel clamp locks. Does anyone here have that part, or make that part, that would be willing to sell me one?
Thanks for the help.
Thanks for the help.
You can still find the odd Peddinghaus NOS. They were supplying the Bundeswehr too for some time and green ones show up.
Kanca in Turkey make a similar drop forged design
http://www.kanca.com.tr/download/pdf/ElAletleri_EN.pdf
Wouldn't you call your one a Rigid Peddinghaus ?
Kanca dealer photos
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Previously posted by Bill Vise.
Why did Reed make the jaw face serrations so extremely coarse on their "machinist's" and "toolmaker's" vises? The coarse pattern would marr up soft metals and have no benefit on hard metals. On the machinist's vise, you could use copper jaw caps. But on the toolmaker's vise (filer's vise), jaw caps would defeat the purpose of the peaked shaped jaws.
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Bill I like a course serration, on my outside vise at least.---I have a #6 Yost, my outside vise that has comparable course serration as your Reeds and it acts like pipe jaws and really bites in, which is not desirable in most applications because of the unwanted marring, but like in my case, I had to thread 7 joints of 20' by 1/2'' stainless steel water pipe, and 8 stainless ******* of varying lengths, to re-plumb my entire crawl space water system.---Stainless does not thread easily.---It wants to spall in the cutting die and then turn/spin/twist in your vise,---The only deterrent is teeth that won't let it.
Of course there are many more jobs where I don't want vise tracks/marring on my work piece, so there is an easy fix for me at least.---More than one vise to option from.---Smooth jaw, moderate teeth, and Great White.
Jaw caps on the machinists' vise is a no-brainer, my only real concern is the serrations on the filers' vise. Jaw caps on it would defeat the whole purpose of the shape of the filers' vise jaw. I would grind down the serrations slightly if my only goal was to use it. I plan to make a special set of thin jaw caps that doesn't extend over the top edge. One thought I had is to make some 1/8" thick hardened steel plates that fit the jaw faces. I would then apply carnauba paste wax to the serrations and JB Weld epoxy to the plates. The plates could then be removed after the epoxy cured. It wouldn't take much to hold the plates in place when needed, maybe a little Gorilla tape on the ends? I say hardened steel because if I used a thin soft metal, I think it would deform and not stay flat or stay in place.
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AngryBeaver
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Poking around the Internet, I actually found a pair of NOS Record 634 pipe jaws in the UK after looking on a rare occasion for a few years.
They just arrived today (someone in the Royal Mail was kind enough to have sent them Air instead of Surface
A quick scrub up to remove the packing grease and pop them in place.
The vise takes three of these so I will look into getting some more fabricated.
One note is that the teeth (since we’re talking about teeth) are not the same size and gradually shrink towards the centre.
Thrumcap
That is a pretty **** vise. Looks almost identical to the older reed 31.32.33.34 series before the 1c/2c/3c/4c's came around. snap some more pics when you get a chance. I"m curious if that is a rebranded record or if it is really a record. the 634 model number really makes me wonder also..
AngryBeaver
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My 214 has extremely course teeth also. making your own bronze caps shouldn't be hard with a 1/8 thick sheet.
I've never seen any of the 214's with smooth jaws either. even worn/beat up ones have remains of teeth
Fretters
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Why would it defeat the purpose? You'd shape your covers to fit the jaws.
va.grouseman
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Bill Vise, You're trying to make a two-in-one vise aren't you.---A Filers and a smooth-jaw Coachmaker's.---After all they do resemble one another, the Coachmakers is a little more peaked with a little deeper throat.
gman007
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Jrob
Mine was glued. Interestingly there is a hole about 1” in diameter behind the badge in the static housing which I have no idea what is it for.
I removed it because the vise was being nickel plated and I wanted to preserve the brass color but if you just plan to clean and paint the vise I suppose it is best to leave it alone and just clean and then mask it before painting.
Ps
I have posted photos of the badge and the hole (see first photo) etc on page 3812 post#63632
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royce
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I was fortunate to find a couple that have bolted smooth jaws.
These two vises are slated for a welding bench.
I made some aluminum jaws for them and when I find some copper I'll replace them with copper.
Royce
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Thanks! How did you remove the badge? I am wondering if these weren't 50th anniversary editions, which your put the bull dog 50th in the mid 30s, which would be correct for the numbering system. Is yours a keeper that you found?
gman007
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Even though the vise is in excellent shape it was heavily painted over and that includes the badge. When the vise was being bead blasted the badge came off on its own (after the paint was removed). Looking at the back of the badge there was some old dried up residual glue which presumably at some time held the badge in place.
As far as the fact that “gold” badge purpose was to commemorate the 50th anniversary that is also what I have been told.
As for being a keeper, I pointed out in my earlier post the vise is in excellent shape and the nickel plating and powder coating looks great too. I have not had a chance to put the vise back together but probably will get it done before Monday and will post photos. It is therefore definitely a keeper.
I'm purely guessing on the 50th anniversary, but I read the "bull dog" debuted in 1886 which would make it 1936. If true, that's the depths of the great depression and there can't be too many of them out there.
Also did you send out for plating and how much was that if you don't mind me asking.
Also did you send out for plating and how much was that if you don't mind me asking.
I took a heat gun to the badge while applying pressure from the back side through that 3/8 hole with a socket, it popped out just fine. Looks like more of a slight press fit and a little glue. Got it blasted down to bare iron, now it's another one inline for paint. I'm going to try and match the original seafoam green color that I've seen on this and a few other prentisses of this vintage.
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oldldh
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When I was in the Air Force, I had an "In" Box, an "Out" Box, and a "Ponder" Box on my desk...If it stayed in the "Ponder" box for over 90 days, and no one asked me about it, I put it in the round file...
As one ages, one ponders about "What might have been...if....???"
I smoked for 54 years...
It got me an Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm, that damn near killed me...
The never ending fear that Lung Cancer awaits around every bend...
And now my Doctor has told me that I "probably" have COPD (Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease...)...Oh Joy!!!
Now I'll have to deal with the COPD, but do you know what really pisses me off about smoking that long???
I smoked up...
1.) THREE Porsches...
2.) FIVE Really nice Pickups...
3.) ONE Really nice HOUSE!!!!
That's what pisses me off!!!!!
And what kind of "What if's", do you ponder???
As one ages, one ponders about "What might have been...if....???"
I smoked for 54 years...
It got me an Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm, that damn near killed me...
The never ending fear that Lung Cancer awaits around every bend...
And now my Doctor has told me that I "probably" have COPD (Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease...)...Oh Joy!!!
Now I'll have to deal with the COPD, but do you know what really pisses me off about smoking that long???
I smoked up...
1.) THREE Porsches...
2.) FIVE Really nice Pickups...
3.) ONE Really nice HOUSE!!!!
That's what pisses me off!!!!!
And what kind of "What if's", do you ponder???
KMScott
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Oldie, I feel for ya, my Mother is battling COPD and struggling right now. It is a tuff one to beat. Let's hope it was a miss diagnosis by your Doctor. Along with your Cars, Trucks and house you could have snuck in a Craftsman vise that has eluded you. Hopes and Prayers out your way.
gman007
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Oldie
I am very sorry to hear about your health issues. I also want to thank you for your service. Your point about evils of smoking is well taken and should serve as a lesson to all.
Now I know it is no consolation but the truth is that we all make mistakes of all sizes through out our lives. Personally I try not to ponder "What if's" as there are so many of them that it would drive me even crazier than I am already! And at the end it does not change anything about the present anyway!
And whenever fear and despair rears its ugly head one can draw strength and hope from Psalm 23
The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: He leads me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul: He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for Thou art with me; Thy rod and Thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: Thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.
My prayers are with you.
va.grouseman
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That's a
Gman on Old's behalf.
What pisses me off is the tobacco Cos. preaching for decades NO ADDICTION, all the while pumping tar and nicotine into the product to make sure you come back for more and can't quit, and all the while lying like a dog and raking in billions while hard working Americans choked to death.
Gman on Old's behalf.What pisses me off is the tobacco Cos. preaching for decades NO ADDICTION, all the while pumping tar and nicotine into the product to make sure you come back for more and can't quit, and all the while lying like a dog and raking in billions while hard working Americans choked to death.
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Outlawmws
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Oldie, I hope they find its something easier to treat than COPD.
My biggest vise score happened today. No Usuck prices here, I went to my first auction in decades, and I'd class this one as my first, "pro" auction, complete with "buyers premium" (as in lets **** the buyers for even more than we **** the sellers...)
Ah well, just make sure you figure thst into what you bid...
What got me there was the description, and the pic of 7 vises, all looking pretty good!
So the auction starts on time. I spent the first third just watching and learning, as they were selling stuff I wasn't that interested in, or was WAY over priced for what they got. Very few "deals"
We move into the "shop" area, and more stuff I wasn't bidding on; I thought I might if the Anvils didn't get into stupid money... a pretty nice portable forge came up and went for stupid $$... I was not getting good vibes for when the vices finally came up. a Baldor 3/4 HP buffer on a Baldor stand came up and I let that go as well as it was near into stupid $$
The anvils went for breathtaking sums! Stunningly the smaller one went for as much or more as the one 2X its size! (A Vulcan).
A lot more stuff I wasn't bidding on... FINALLY they went for the vises, (had to practically beg then to do them). First up was a 5" Wilton bullet without a base. otherwise in GREAT condition (all the vises were in great condition, however there were not 7 but only 4. (Someone cherry picking? )
I won the Wilton with my last bid and then would have let it go.. NOT stupid $$ and I can make its cost and then some back...
Next was a 4-1/2" Rock Island Pattern Makers vise and I bid and bid as with the Wilton and got it for less than the Wilton! and AGAIN, at my limit! I was happy about this one as its my first pattern makers vise, and a good one! I've been wanting one for YEARS!
Third up was Prentess fixed base, swivel jaw (missing the pin) and I again won at my limit!
the fourth was a Columbian and I let that one go, it went at a good price for the buyer!
And the main event! the vises, in the order won!
The Wilton:
The Rock Island:
and the Prentiss:
My biggest vise score happened today. No Usuck prices here, I went to my first auction in decades, and I'd class this one as my first, "pro" auction, complete with "buyers premium" (as in lets **** the buyers for even more than we **** the sellers...)
Ah well, just make sure you figure thst into what you bid...
What got me there was the description, and the pic of 7 vises, all looking pretty good!
So the auction starts on time. I spent the first third just watching and learning, as they were selling stuff I wasn't that interested in, or was WAY over priced for what they got. Very few "deals"
We move into the "shop" area, and more stuff I wasn't bidding on; I thought I might if the Anvils didn't get into stupid money... a pretty nice portable forge came up and went for stupid $$... I was not getting good vibes for when the vices finally came up. a Baldor 3/4 HP buffer on a Baldor stand came up and I let that go as well as it was near into stupid $$
The anvils went for breathtaking sums! Stunningly the smaller one went for as much or more as the one 2X its size! (A Vulcan).
A lot more stuff I wasn't bidding on... FINALLY they went for the vises, (had to practically beg then to do them). First up was a 5" Wilton bullet without a base. otherwise in GREAT condition (all the vises were in great condition, however there were not 7 but only 4. (Someone cherry picking? )
I won the Wilton with my last bid and then would have let it go.. NOT stupid $$ and I can make its cost and then some back...
Next was a 4-1/2" Rock Island Pattern Makers vise and I bid and bid as with the Wilton and got it for less than the Wilton! and AGAIN, at my limit! I was happy about this one as its my first pattern makers vise, and a good one! I've been wanting one for YEARS!
Third up was Prentess fixed base, swivel jaw (missing the pin) and I again won at my limit!
the fourth was a Columbian and I let that one go, it went at a good price for the buyer!
And the main event! the vises, in the order won!
The Wilton:
The Rock Island:
and the Prentiss:
Outlawmws
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Thanks!
Looks like it says 950, and the Prentiss is a 3
Looks like it says 950, and the Prentiss is a 3
chrisnazzy
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Sounds like a fun day Outlaw. I really like the Rock Island also. A patternmakers / coachmakers vise is pretty high up on my list too!
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I have a line on a rock island coachmakers vise but IMO he wants too much at 150. And I already have a Parker 40 coachmakers so I'm not super motivated. Just wanted to see if the model numbers matched, but they don't. Yours has a birtman tag so it's 1930-1957. The one I know of is pre-1930.
gman007
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Outlaw
That is a great score. Once can not ask for more, nice quality vices at reasonable prices.
gman007
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Drives
Thanks much. I am told that while one obviously can powder coat without the nickel plating, presumably the nickel plating ensures much better adhesion and has the obvious advantage of preventing rust on both powder coated and none powder coated parts. I was also told that the nickel plating reduces friction at contact surfaces and results in smoother movement of parts.
In any case here it is all assembled.
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gman007
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oldldh
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GMan ---
I don't give these out, for just anything...
So...
YA DUN GUD, BUBBA!!!
I don't give these out, for just anything...
So...
YA DUN GUD, BUBBA!!!
gman007
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Jrob
Thanks for the compliment, much appreciated. I am glad you like it.
Oldie
Thank you very much Sir. Such a compliment from you is indeed an honor.
va.grouseman
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Gman I love that look.---But once again you have succeeded in spiffing one up to the can never use again level.
Bought my first bench vise at a swap meet over the weekend ($25! 
). Dunlap brand #5244 with 3.5" jaws. Dirty, but has a lot of potential:
I'm going to use the threads on here to clean it up and properly restore it. Anyone know where I can get some new jaws for this puppy?
Thanks!
). Dunlap brand #5244 with 3.5" jaws. Dirty, but has a lot of potential:
I'm going to use the threads on here to clean it up and properly restore it. Anyone know where I can get some new jaws for this puppy?
Thanks!
gman007
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VA Thanks man ( BTW I admit that it is going to be another museum pieceGman I love that look.---But once again you have succeeded in spiffing one up to the can never use again level.
)bagged89s10
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Good buys outlaw and the vise came out awesome gman.
So I saw and ad for a reed vise for $75. It looked rusted and seized but swivel jaw and i could barely make out that it said 404. I offered $50 and the seller, who apparently knows me they my cousin.
I meet the guy down the street from my house m at a restaurant and the vise looked bigger than a 4”. To my surprise it’s a Reed 404-1/2. Not a huge vise any swivel jaw for $50 is a deal in my book. It needs a little rust removal, a new handle, and a swivel jaw pin.
I’m very surprised it’s not seized.
Now I have a question. I have a spare pin from a reed 404 (last picture) but it seems to be a little loose. Does anyone know if the 404–1/2 actually has a largrr swivel jaw pin?
So I saw and ad for a reed vise for $75. It looked rusted and seized but swivel jaw and i could barely make out that it said 404. I offered $50 and the seller, who apparently knows me they my cousin.
I meet the guy down the street from my house m at a restaurant and the vise looked bigger than a 4”. To my surprise it’s a Reed 404-1/2. Not a huge vise any swivel jaw for $50 is a deal in my book. It needs a little rust removal, a new handle, and a swivel jaw pin.
I’m very surprised it’s not seized.
Now I have a question. I have a spare pin from a reed 404 (last picture) but it seems to be a little loose. Does anyone know if the 404–1/2 actually has a largrr swivel jaw pin?