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Vintage Veloce

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Big *** Fans has a product called "The Garage Light"
Rather expensive! $400!
13,000 lumens, 5000K, 88W,

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https://www.bigassfans.com/lights/the-garage-light/
But...
has anyone tried it? Comments?

Looks pretty to me...
 
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April Wilkerson just posted a Youtube video yesterday showing the installation of those lights in her new shop.

Of course: "Big thank you to Big *** Lights for sponsoring this video"

BAL: 13k lumens for $399: 32.6 lumens/$. $3200 for 100,000 lumens

Sams Club/Honeywell LED shop lights: 4500 lumens for $35: 128.6 lumens/$. $777 for 100,000 lumens.


Until I'm sponsored by someone like BAF/BAL, I'm sticking with my SC/Honeywel lights.
 
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But...
has anyone tried it? Comments?

Looks pretty to me...

It's been posted many times before on Garage Journal. It's 4 times more expensive than it should be. That's a hefty price to pay for the way it looks. I'm sure that she got hers for free in exchange for the publicity.
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I have to admit, I like the 13,000 lumens in a single light fixture. Is there a competitive single fixture product? (Electricians around here charge $120 per ceiling box, if it is easy.)
While expensive, it seems like a great way to add a lot of light with a single ceiling box.
 

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Looks like April Wilkerson is in for a huge disappointment with her lighting choice. I hope she got those fixtures as part of the sponsorship deal. She states the same 13,000 lumen rhetoric that is on the Bigass website. So that’s 13,000 lumens for $400 which is a pathetic 32 lm/$.

Once you go to their website and click the “Garage Light Spec Sheet” you’ll see that it’s not 13,000 lumens, it’s 12,740 lumens – but that’s really nitpicking on my part. Get out the magnifying glass and read the microprint: “Measured at 277 V, 4000K color temperature without lens” - the key there being “without lens”. According to their “5000K with lens” IES file it’s actually only 10,858 lumens. So we’ve lost over 16% of our light output just by reading. 10,858 lumens for $400 = 27 lm/$ . . . Ouch.

I decided to make a rough guess based on number of sheets of plywood that April’s workshop is 40x40x12. She’s got a metal ceiling, unfinished plywood walls and concrete floor. So I’ll be generous and set the Ceiling|Wall|Floor reflectance to 40|30|20. The end result = 44 fc @ 30” work plane which is poor by any workshop standard. A 40x40 room is too big for only 9 fixtures thus they end up being spaced way too far apart. The result is an underwhelming uneven shadow prone layout which would cost $3,600 retail! That’s just sad.

At 8:00 in the video April asks: “Do you want to see what 9 fixtures at 13,000 lumens looks like?”
My response has to be: “Not really, but would you like to see what 20 of these 10,858 lumen fixtures properly spaced looks like?” That is how many you would need to hit 93fc @ 30” work plane. Thus 20 fixtures x $400 = $8,000 to hit proper light level in a 40x40 room. That’s just insane. I’ve done 12 bay dealership garages for less.
 

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I have to admit, I like the 13,000 lumens in a single light fixture. Is there a competitive single fixture product? (Electricians around here charge $120 per ceiling box, if it is easy.)
While expensive, it seems like a great way to add a lot of light with a single ceiling box.
With the right ceiling height, here you go:
2ft LED Linear High Bay - 110W - 16,400 lumens $85 (link) = 193 Lm/$
 

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It's been posted many times before on Garage Journal. It's 4 times more expensive than it should be. That's a hefty price to pay for the way it looks. I'm sure that she got hers for free in exchange for the publicity.
CD

Yeah it was. A little line stated sponsored by Big *** Fans.
 

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I checked them out for over my new workbench and at $400 a pop, I decided........uhhhhhh, no.

I think what I made up for $60 was just as good for my needs.

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I saw the earlier versions of these when they first came out. They are well made with a lot of effort into appearance. I think you are paying for that appearance as much as the quality of the unit. I see a lot of architectural lighting that costs that much without as much quality of the unit.
I think you need to decide if it is right for you without assuming they are making them for what most people are willing to put in their shop.
 

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A 40x40 room is too big for only 9 fixtures thus they end up being spaced way too far apart.

I was going to say that I only have (10) fixtures in my 40x40 shop. :( Then I noticed her fixtures were only 24" long so now I don't feel so bad since mine are 96" long. Mine weren't sponsored though, so I got what I could afford. I plan to add more in the future though.
 

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I saw the earlier versions of these when they first came out. They are well made with a lot of effort into appearance. I think you are paying for that appearance as much as the quality of the unit. I see a lot of architectural lighting that costs that much without as much quality of the unit.
I think you need to decide if it is right for you without assuming they are making them for what most people are willing to put in their shop.
Heck at $400 a pop I can compete with Made in the USA - IP67 - any lumen output up to 60,000 lm - >130L/W - L70 >200,000 hrs. - 0.062 Aluminum construction - all seams continuously TIG welded - polyester powder coat finish.
 

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Heck at $400 a pop I can compete with Made in the USA - IP67 - any lumen output up to 60,000 lm - >130L/W - L70 >200,000 hrs. - 0.062 Aluminum construction - all seams continuously TIG welded - polyester powder coat finish.
Yes, I would understand completely but when i saw these at their booth at the SEMA show a few years ago, I watched the potential customers and listened to their comments. You and I would be impressed with your "0.062 Aluminum construction - all seams continuously TIG welded - polyester powder coat finish." and they were impressed with the extruded aluminum heat sinks in full view.
I have a friend that spent a bunch of money in his garage to "fix" it. It had one EMT running from the electrical box up the wall and across the ceiling to the other corner. He was horrified and probably spent $2000 to get it behind the drywall. Also removed very functional fluorescent tube lighting that had nice even work lighting and installed a bunch of LED can lights. Now there are shadows but the cars sparkle as they catch highlights. He loves it but it is now impressive looking rather than being functional. If he was building a work shop, I could see him buying those Big *** lights and being thrilled with the lights and the price.
 
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I have 2 samples. I raised them in position when I redid my garage, but they're too darned bright and glaring, imho, to be work lights. Garage lights? Sure, but perhaps too bright for garage workshop use, if that makes sense. I have 9' ceilings. I'll try again in a few weeks when I have time to pick out 6 or so smaller fixtures to install.

I was told that 2 is enough for a 2-car garage, but I think 4 would work better. I really wanted to like them. They are very well made, though.
 

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Stuey - The key isn't lots of lumens out of a couple fixtures as all that does is blind you and create an uneven shadow prone layout. Higher quantity of properly spaced height appropriate fixtures is the right way.
 

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Stuey - The key isn't lots of lumens out of a couple fixtures as all that does is blind you and create an uneven shadow prone layout. Higher quantity of properly spaced height appropriate fixtures is the right way.
Yes, I know.

2 of these are too bright, while not providing enough coverage to the edges and corners of the garage where I need them. The openers also prevent the lights from being mounted smack in the middle of the bays.

They'd be perfect for some users, but for me, they're a little too bright. I'd rather have 4 or 6 less bright lights.

April's experience might be different - the high ceilings will allow her to get more even coverage.
 

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Most of the BigAss stuff is way overpriced.

I installed these summer of 2016. 4' panels, 26,000 Lumen, 5K, Dimmable, $229.00

https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/192408/PLT-20045.html

They are excellent. Great light, easy install, no hum. All wiring in conduit with flex from ceiling box into the top of the lights.

Installed 8 of them in a 50x75 shop with 18' sidewalls. The lights are probably at about 19-20' given the roof slope.
 

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Why you would want 1 million lumens in one spot is beond me. Its like working with a spot light you cant aim.

I like my lights spread out. Thats why i have single bulb fixtures.
 

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Anyone know where I can find one of these now? I was able to pick up one NOS for $100, would like to find another one to balance out the light in the garage.
 

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Call them.
855-214-6099

It seems like they got out of the lighting business.
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At this point, I'd be concerned that there was a a reliability problem that made them stop selling them. I've had a lot of trouble with odd brand LED lamps...
I'm just saying, at that price it had better last 10 years.
 

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Platonic said it here a couple years ago but it's worth repeating.

Most garages need more lights not higher output.
 

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Looks like April Wilkerson is in for a huge disappointment with her lighting choice. I hope she got those fixtures as part of the sponsorship deal. She states the same 13,000 lumen rhetoric that is on the Bigass website. So that’s 13,000 lumens for $400 which is a pathetic 32 lm/$.

Once you go to their website and click the “Garage Light Spec Sheet” you’ll see that it’s not 13,000 lumens, it’s 12,740 lumens – but that’s really nitpicking on my part. Get out the magnifying glass and read the microprint: “Measured at 277 V, 4000K color temperature without lens” - the key there being “without lens”. According to their “5000K with lens” IES file it’s actually only 10,858 lumens. So we’ve lost over 16% of our light output just by reading. 10,858 lumens for $400 = 27 lm/$ . . . Ouch.

I decided to make a rough guess based on number of sheets of plywood that April’s workshop is 40x40x12. She’s got a metal ceiling, unfinished plywood walls and concrete floor. So I’ll be generous and set the Ceiling|Wall|Floor reflectance to 40|30|20. The end result = 44 fc @ 30” work plane which is poor by any workshop standard. A 40x40 room is too big for only 9 fixtures thus they end up being spaced way too far apart. The result is an underwhelming uneven shadow prone layout which would cost $3,600 retail! That’s just sad.

At 8:00 in the video April asks: “Do you want to see what 9 fixtures at 13,000 lumens looks like?”
My response has to be: “Not really, but would you like to see what 20 of these 10,858 lumen fixtures properly spaced looks like?” That is how many you would need to hit 93fc @ 30” work plane. Thus 20 fixtures x $400 = $8,000 to hit proper light level in a 40x40 room. That’s just insane. I’ve done 12 bay dealership garages for less.

This post here is why I love this site...somebody here will always go into detail or take the time to figure things out, provide interesting and educated information, call stuff out...whatever.
 

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Anyone have one of these that they’d like to sell? Trying to add onto an existing installation & would like the lumens & color temp to match.
 
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