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don long

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You guys are sooo far above my pay grade with these 3d toys that I,m taking my ball and goin home. lol

I am inclined to go with Hubscrub66. Something that I can relate to.

Really Andy
I must say nice work
Thanks for sharing all this unknown territory with us It blows my simple
mind but I'm tryin to get it to expand a bit

Don
 
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Cool Andy. A man of many talents. Not sure how you fit all that in on Saturdays.

Thanks for the kind words, they are appreciated, but you need to watch your text, it's mini talents, not many.

You should carve one out of foam for fun.

Not a bad idea at all. About 8 hours run time on the router (or whatever I said before, it's a lot of clock time for it to do it's thing) but for the next one I'm thinking doing a foam one first might be good to prove the operation before committing a good piece of thick dry walnut to it. But if I make one of foam I'll have to pour aluminum into it.

It helps to have 6 Saturdays in every week. That's absolutely gorgeous. I might have to look at one of those cnc router things.

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Yeah, six Saturdays. I cheat. :bounce:

There are some pretty slick 3D routers which come with software that are a lot more friendly than mine. And a lot of canned programs you can make. It's only money.

You guys are sooo far above my pay grade with these 3d toys that I,m taking my ball and goin home. lol

I am inclined to go with Hubscrub66. Something that I can relate to.

Really Andy
I must say nice work
Thanks for sharing all this unknown territory with us It blows my simple
mind but I'm tryin to get it to expand a bit

Don

Ha ha :lol_hitti:lol_hitti You and your simple mind routine ain't fooling me. I know what it takes to be a successful businessman.

Remember I bought the router ten years ago and gave up ever trying to get it to work. So I do feel a bit of success when I finally got and learned the software it takes to make it work. I'm no computer wizard, I struggle with all that stuff so if I can do it just about anybody can.

Thanks for the good words. The thing that amazes me about the router is how repeatable it is. I just sit and watch it run, mesmerized with how the program figures out to maneuver so the tool is always cutting the right direction.

I guess I'm going to quit on the plaque like this and mail it to the owner.

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It needs a lot of final cleanup but he is the best one to do that, a real patternmaker and foundryman.

I looked at the Studebaker today, and drove the avatar car to Zumba. But the rest of the day was foundry.:bounce:
 

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Wow Andy, more great fabrication work (once again, I have been away and had to catch up on about a month's posts) and it appears that I missed your birthday - so a belated happy birthday to you.

I was also very impressed with how you managed to get a couple of bottles of Handy Andy in each pic. :)
 

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Happy Birthday Andy. I missed it too? Is the Router the future of Craftsmanship? I applaud anyone's ability to use automation for production purposes and progress in the provision of goods. I also believe it is we who are tasked with opening the window of creativity that will inspire the tablet generations to make a connection between their heads and hands that will leave them ending their day with a sense of self-esteem; lest they evolve into beings who see only the finished product; and lose any understanding of the artist's vision?
 

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Andy thank you for your gift! It was unexpected and very pleasant. I'm very touched, thank you! :beer:

 

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Andy: thanks for the tips on weeds and blackberries, but i'm not sure what this chemical is. "Blackberries are hard to control. For a spray 2-4, D is an excellent herbicide which only attacks broadleaf plants."

i used to get a commercial chemical a friend sold me that would turn weeds and blackberries into almost a charred looking piece of dirt in a few days and i'm sure it wasn't good for the soil or the environment. i've used Roundup that works for a while. i'm experimenting using table salt if the runoff doesn't go into planting areas that works pretty well too especially in my gravel parking area. also i'm using a propane torch in that parking area, but where the blackberries are located there is wood retaining wall and i'm not sure I want to have a fire go out of control back there cause there are homes close by.

in any case weeds seem to be a chore to control so maybe i'll buy a couple goats and start my URBAN FARM so if you stop by you'll feel a bit more at home.

cheers and enjoy your SATURDAY!!

also nicely done sending a hammer to Russia so Vieux can have a tool to use with a MADE IN USA on it.
 

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Andy: thanks for the tips on weeds and blackberries, but i'm not sure what this chemical is. "Blackberries are hard to control. For a spray 2-4, D is an excellent herbicide which only attacks broadleaf plants."
Drives, 2, 4-D is a commonly used and excellent broad leaf weed killer. It is also one of the best options for controlling weeds in lawns (and even aquatic environments). Here's a comparison of a number of weed killers: http://bestreviews.com/best-weed-killers

Amazon, Home Depot and Walmart carry it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0072289CA/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Compare-N-Save-32-oz-2-4-D-Broadleaf-Weed-Control-75311/203112354

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hi-Yield...46015&wl11=online&wl12=38470538&wl13=&veh=sem

Vinegar, salt and a little liquid dish soap makes an excellent plant killer but repeated use pretty much sterilizes the soil so you won't be able to grow plants in the treated area for a very long time.
 
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Andy thank you for your gift! It was unexpected and very pleasant. I'm very touched, thank you! :beer:


I'm so glad the hammer finally made the long trip.

Thank you for your kind words!!

I hope you enjoy using the hammer:bounce:

Andy: thanks for the tips on weeds and blackberries, but i'm not sure what this chemical is. "Blackberries are hard to control. For a spray 2-4, D is an excellent herbicide which only attacks broadleaf plants."

i used to get a commercial chemical a friend sold me that would turn weeds and blackberries into almost a charred looking piece of dirt in a few days and i'm sure it wasn't good for the soil or the environment. i've used Roundup that works for a while. i'm experimenting using table salt if the runoff doesn't go into planting areas that works pretty well too especially in my gravel parking area. also i'm using a propane torch in that parking area, but where the blackberries are located there is wood retaining wall and i'm not sure I want to have a fire go out of control back there cause there are homes close by.

in any case weeds seem to be a chore to control so maybe i'll buy a couple goats and start my URBAN FARM so if you stop by you'll feel a bit more at home.

cheers and enjoy your SATURDAY!!

also nicely done sending a hammer to Russia so Vieux can have a tool to use with a MADE IN USA on it.

Bob corrected me, it's 2, 4-D. That is the active chemical, not the brand name. Look on the label of weed killers and you'll find it. It degrades rapidly in sunlight so it does not persist in the environment.

I would absolutely love to see you managing a goat herd.:willy_nil

I thought Vladimir might like to have the aluminum hammer because he does so much work on cars and may find it handy to have.

Andy, well done..:thumbup::thumbup:

Thanks, Steve! I've got more to send out but was waiting to see whether Vladimir's made it to him. I was about ready to send him another one. It is so hard to wait when a little gift is on the road.

Drives, 2, 4-D is a commonly used and excellent broad leaf weed killer. It is also one of the best options for controlling weeds in lawns (and even aquatic environments). Here's a comparison of a number of weed killers: http://bestreviews.com/best-weed-killers

Amazon, Home Depot and Walmart carry it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0072289CA/?tag=atomicindus08-20

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Compare-N-Save-32-oz-2-4-D-Broadleaf-Weed-Control-75311/203112354

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hi-Yield...46015&wl11=online&wl12=38470538&wl13=&veh=sem

Vinegar, salt and a little liquid dish soap makes an excellent plant killer but repeated use pretty much sterilizes the soil so you won't be able to grow plants in the treated area for a very long time.

Thanks for the information, Bob!

Look for concentrations of 46%. Lower concentrations are always more expensive per ounce of active ingredient. I've been paying $45 for a 2-1/2 gallon container. For a hand sprayer, mix 6 oz to 8 oz of 46% product per gallon of mixture. Spray lightly and you'll see results in two to four days.

Vieux, so happy to see the hammer arrived safely. Andy sent that one out the same time as mine (9 March 2018) so I was getting a little worried.

I was very excited when I checked Vieux's thread and saw it had finally arrived! I know you were watching as well. Now I can rest and start doing other things :willy_nil
 
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I had a good day today. A little farm work for Drives. Freezing weather is finally passed in NE Oklahoma. My cows have a creek with springs along it that keep the water flowing even in zero degree weather. The five acre paddock where I grow out heifers before they're old enough for the bull (the heifer pen) has a small pond but I keep a stock tank full. I fill it manually every morning during freezing weather but today I reinstalled a float valve so I don't have to worry about the girls having water.

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Then Bob the Bobcat came down to the shop with his forklift forks on and unloaded the trailer for me. Here's my new Chevy 350 and 700R4 transmission. He just set them right inside the door of the shop. I ask him to not wear his steel tracks onto the concrete.

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Then I cut out all the shelf brackets I'm making

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And got four of them sprued up, waxed for joint seal and fillets, and painted with sheetrock mud

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After that I made another trivet and melted some scrap aluminum. All in all a good day. Then I find out Vladimir's hammer finally arrived. A very good day.

Tomorrow is supposed to be rainy, and I'm going back to the company retiree luncheon again so I may not get any casting done. :sad

Thanks for all the visits and nice comments, guys!!
 

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Andy: well I ran my goat herd idea past my bride and it didn't get approval so you won't be seeing any goat herding pictures from me, but I'd still like to have a few ******* behind our fence.

hope all went well on your drive into Tulsa to see some of your old co workers.

it's 70's and sunny up here and damn my memory can't barely recall the day last week when it rained 2 inches just in a day.

cheers
 
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Andy you have been busy. Is the 350 for the studebaker?

Dwight

No, it's just something I bought from my grandson to try to make my shop look like I do stuff here. Looks good, doesn't it?

Andy, you certainly don't sit still.

Great work on the shelving brackets..:thumbup::thumbup:

Thanks, Steve! I know the brackets are overkill but I'm having fun with the little production run.

Andy: well I ran my goat herd idea past my bride and it didn't get approval so you won't be seeing any goat herding pictures from me, but I'd still like to have a few ******* behind our fence.

hope all went well on your drive into Tulsa to see some of your old co workers.

it's 70's and sunny up here and damn my memory can't barely recall the day last week when it rained 2 inches just in a day.

cheers

Now you've done it. If you don't get goats I've just lost most of my material for the next six months. :willy_nil

I was counting on you, bud. :lol_hitti Oh well, I guess I'll just have to focus on Bob's routers.

We had Seattle weather here today. Rain all day, had a great visit with old friends. One brought his wife out after lunch and we made her a trivet and then a broom. We had a nice visit. He and I have worked together since 1979 when I met him in Indonesia on a job there. Hmmm, that's a long time.
 

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Not a bad idea at all. About 8 hours run time on the router (or whatever I said before, it's a lot of clock time for it to do it's thing) but for the next one I'm thinking doing a foam one first might be good to prove the operation before committing a good piece of thick dry walnut to it. But if I make one of foam I'll have to pour aluminum into it.
You can run a pretty high feed rate on foam. I know a guy who remakes vintage surfboards, and his ball mill throws an 8' roostertail of foam chips.
 

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Shorty: I think Andy already has one of those clamps installed on a post next to his forge that is holding one of his melting pot holders, so check back a week or so and you might see the pics.

ANDY: sorry you won't be able to make GOAT JOKES because of me, but i'm sure you've got plenty of other good thoughts and stuff to talk about. just curious why you are painting the molds with drywall? is it so the sand won't stick while you are making the molds?

good to hear you had a good day with one of your old co workers (friends) making brooms and using your forge.

you'll soon be more famous than you already are cause you are almost a tourist stop in Oklahoma now.

cheers
 

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You're an absolute machine Andy. Can't believe how quickly you are churning out those foam patterns for the shelf brackets. Probably cast half of them by now already too. :bowdown:

That plaque came out well. :thumbup:

Once you get your CAM optimised a bit I would suggest you reduce the feed-rate for wood a bit to reduce the tear-out. Switching to a ball-end router bit for the final pass with smaller step-over is also good but means running separate operations. Another trick using a conventional router bit is to change feed orientation on the final pass to eat up all the lines left from the step-over distance. Not going to make much difference for pattern as it needs to be filled, sanded and painted anyway but sure you want to create some wooden products down the line that is pretty good straight of the router.

Finally almost Saturday here too...
 
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I'm with Shorty Waiting to see how the shelf brackets are used.
 
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Wow Andy, more great fabrication work (once again, I have been away and had to catch up on about a month's posts) and it appears that I missed your birthday - so a belated happy birthday to you.

I was also very impressed with how you managed to get a couple of bottles of Handy Andy in each pic. :)

I'm embarrassed, both you and Bobby were kind enough to comment on my thread, and I read your comments, then got so excited when I saw Vieux's hammer finally arrived I forgot to respond to you guys. My apologies.:bowdown:

Thanks for the birthday wishes. But it was the comment on Handy Andy bottles that I remembered not responding to. It was great fun getting the Handy Andy (thanks Guster) but I've not opened either yet. I can't seem to find just the right place to keep them.

Happy Birthday Andy. I missed it too? Is the Router the future of Craftsmanship? I applaud anyone's ability to use automation for production purposes and progress in the provision of goods. I also believe it is we who are tasked with opening the window of creativity that will inspire the tablet generations to make a connection between their heads and hands that will leave them ending their day with a sense of self-esteem; lest they evolve into beings who see only the finished product; and lose any understanding of the artist's vision?

Thanks for the birthday wishes!!

I have mulled over your comments on craftsmanship and have difficulty responding. It is such a complex topic. My first response is automation and craftsmanship don't mix. I was just using automation to copy the work of others. It is really good at that. I even find it hard to call power tool use craftsmanship; creating with hand tools is so much more satisfying, and you seem to leave part of you in the creation.

But your point of the tablet generation is interesting. You know we no longer print photographs. It's in the phone, that's enough. In some ways it's even better. The tablet generation does 3D printing. That is not far from 3D routing, but I'm not sure there is much desire of the younger crowd to use a variable, flaw filled medium such as wood. PLA filament is perfect, you know.

I delight in giving people their first opportunity to do wood turning. (A lathe is not a power tool, is it?) It amazes all that it is so easy to turn wood, and looks so mysterious. When I made the broom for my coworker's wife, he commented it would be easy to add an electric motor. Very hard for him to understand that I do not want an electric motor on my broom machine. I far prefer spinning the broom accurately with my foot.

So to respond to your treatise, I propose the 3D printer and the "makers" (that's a new term, I like it) who modify their wants to match what the printer will do, is the future of craftsmanship for the average person. They just have no use for a chisel and plane. Much less home made ones.:willy_nil

Andy, there's nothing quite like over kill:3gears::3gears::3gears:

:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti

At this old age I'm finally seeing some logic to what everyone else has known all along. But I'm still firmly a minimalist, just enough to get by. That is, of course, the basis of engineering design for profitable industries.:willy_nil:willy_nil:willy_nil

You can run a pretty high feed rate on foam. I know a guy who remakes vintage surfboards, and his ball mill throws an 8' roostertail of foam chips.

Wheee!!! I think I have to get my router in a box with vacuum before I start on foam.

Guess I’ll wait to see how the shelf brackets are used.
Crickets.

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OK, I guess a thousand words might be better than a picture? Four of them under each board, grasping a pipe at each end. They will serve two purposes. First is to hold the board to the pipe framework. Second is to firmly clamp the pipe so the shelving unit cannot rack with no cross bracing. (Only 956 words to go, and I can do that)

Shorty: I think Andy already has one of those clamps installed on a post next to his forge that is holding one of his melting pot holders, so check back a week or so and you might see the pics.

Although it is similar, these little clamps are to keep the shelf framework upright.

ANDY: sorry you won't be able to make GOAT JOKES because of me, but i'm sure you've got plenty of other good thoughts and stuff to talk about.

OK, you old goat! (My life would be complete if you've ever owned a GTO)

just curious why you are painting the molds with drywall? is it so the sand won't stick while you are making the molds?

Kind of. These patterns are buried in loose sand. The mold is filled with foam until the metal burns it out. The mud prevents the sand from sticking to the metal and the metal from invading the sand structure, thereby making a rough surface. The mud is surprisingly impervious to the molten aluminum so the casting really looks like the inner face of the mud. If there is a small hole in the foam the mud will go in that hole and reproduce it for the casting.

good to hear you had a good day with one of your old co workers (friends) making brooms and using your forge.

We met in Jakarta in 1979. That's an old friend. He kept saying "This is the shop I want, everything is perfect". Made me feel good:pimpflash

you'll soon be more famous than you already are cause you are almost a tourist stop in Oklahoma now.

HA! We already are a rather famous tourist stop in some circles.:rocker::rocker: The summer tour season is here and the tour groups are arriving daily.:willy_nil Some just look and have a bite to eat, then go on their way, while others like it here and just hang out with us all summer, fix themselves a place to stay and enjoy all the flowers and the good weather. We've got about six right now that will be with us all summer. They're a little shy and keep thinking I'm going to run them off, but by the middle of the summer they'll hang around close when I'm refilling the feeders. They way they're chasing each other I'm thinking romance is in the air.


cheers

You're an absolute machine Andy. Can't believe how quickly you are churning out those foam patterns for the shelf brackets. Probably cast half of them by now already too. :bowdown:

:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti Following the wooden pattern is quite easy, and the silent hot wire cutting the foam with a pleasant odor is quite therapeutic. Only casting one sprue (two pieces) per day, but I may ramp that up. The holdup is getting them painted and letting them dry.

That plaque came out well. :thumbup:

Thank you! It has arrived in Florida and he is pleased with it so time to start on his second one.

You said a lot in this next paragraph, so I'm just going to butcher it and eat it one bite at a time.


Once you get your CAM optimised a bit I would suggest you reduce the feed-rate for wood a bit to reduce the tear-out.

Hmmm, the feed rate is quite slow, 200 mm/minute. I'm afraid much slower might result in burning. The fuzz was because I'm using a metalworking carbide ball mill, not a router bit, I think.

Why didn't I think to buy router bits?:willy_nil


Switching to a ball-end router bit for the final pass with smaller step-over is also good but means running separate operations.

My original program had another step but in single stepping into it, and studying the simulation it appeared to be defective, was not going to clean up like I thought, and was going to even leave some parts rougher. The star was best after the second operation but there were unfinished areas away from the star. So I went back to the CAM program and developed a new routine to use the ball end mill. Then I loaded new gcode and had the router run that operation. Repeatability is astounding. I found I did have to adjust Z zero to make it work, even though I entered the tool length in the CAM program. I learned if I'm going to change tool length I need an unmilled reference point to zero Z.

Another trick using a conventional router bit is to change feed orientation on the final pass to eat up all the lines left from the step-over distance.

Well, if I'm understanding you, that is what I did. The roughing steps (1/4" end mill and 1/8" end mill) were generally circular around the pattern. That's why you see the nice pattern on the intermediate star photographs. The 2mm ball mill was cut in X-axis parallel passes. 1mm stepover would have been fine for an endmill but a ball mill should have been 0.5 mm or even 0.4mm steps. But the guy I did it for says it's fine, just needs a little love.

Not going to make much difference for pattern as it needs to be filled, sanded and painted anyway but sure you want to create some wooden products down the line that is pretty good straight of the router.

I appreciate your observations and do want to learn to do better.

Finally almost Saturday here too...

Saturday got here today so I pottered in the shed.

My friend seems to think I can do anything so he brought me a challenge. Elevator for a large patio umbrella.

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Cracks me up! :lol_hitti

I told him we could try to weld it but I have no idea of the alloy, might even be pot metal, Zamak, or other ZA alloys. And it wasn't strong enough before so welding it with an inferior filler through ignorance likely would not last.

It looks like the pole that goes inside is 4.00".

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I decided a good opportunity to try lost foam casting. (remember popsickle sticks? You could make anything, a lady in Toledo even made a purse) So the original was shy of 1/4" thick, I went with a heavy 3/8" with a generous flange at the top.

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In my little dream world I do great work. Unfortunately I can't show you pictures of that. In my dream world I sanded the top flange to a nice radius top and bottom. In my real world, I forgot. Again. At least it came out about 4" ID so I can turn it out to 4.05" or something suitably loose.

His initials are HWL, so why not. I'm making lots of foam scrap and had a sheet of 1/8" I got from trimming a 1/2" down to 1/4". (hot wire kerf is larger than the wire, and just shy of 1/8".

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In my little dream world I did a great job on the letters. I even put the crossbar a little below center on the H to look really good. In the real world they were crooked and the H went on upside down so the crossbar is an inelegant little above center.:willy_nil

Never fear, I never redo work, we'll just cast it like it is.:bounce: Gives it that home made look. I'm all about crafts, popsickle sticks and such.

Mudded and ready for hot molten metal tomorrow.

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Note to self: Put a piece of cardboard, plywood, carpet or something on the new floor paint before hanging stuff to drip dry.:willy_nil

WW1/2CD?

At least if you're laughing at me you're laying off poor old Bob and his single handed woodworking skills.

You're welcome, Bob.:rocker:
 

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I'm with Shorty Waiting to see how the shelf brackets are used.

We're all sure hoping you can make the OK stop. I'm afraid you'll be disappointed, but it will be very nice to meet you.

I guess we'll just all wait together to see if the shelf brackets work.:willy_nil

Andy, do you have a set of radius gages? I have used those in the past to get reasonably good radii on soft material.

Just a thought..............

:beer:

I do have a set of radius gauges. However the foam does not do well with shearing, it tends to pull and clump up. It will slice cleanly if the knife is very sharp. It does sand easily, if one does not forget to sand.

Thanks for the visits, guys!
 

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Andy: in case you ever want to just write your stuff in a book and call it's HANDY ANDY'S do anything you can think or dream of i'm betting it would sell.

sorry to say I drove a GTO in the mid 70's that a friend thought was quicker than anything on the road and it handled like driving a BOAT and not a GOAT. my little Mach1 with a 428 cobra jet on it left him in the dust too when we found a stretch of road where nobody was. back in the day you could actually drive on a freeway and not see a car for a few miles here (late 60's early 70's), but now it's just a large parking lot and the kids still try to pull off the stunts of their parents and grand parents even though not nearly as safe so I wish they'd go to Oklahoma where there are still roads and no people, cars or critters.

carry on and keep on dreaming and waking up and doing something every day even if you are making a mess and not really cleaning up.

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WOW... What is the old saying, "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time."

Started from the beginning of the thread a few months ago and finally made it to the end, reading a little during mental breaks at work. Bitter sweet, as I won't be able to kill as much free time now since I'm all caught up. Maybe now I will comment a little bit. (Wanted to wait until I read everything before I made a post)

I want to thank you Andy for all the entertainment and learning opportunities.

I wish I lived closer and I could take you up on some of those free lessons on welding, farming, ranching, forging, painting, broom making, casting, sock making or any of your other mini-talents.

Happy Belated Birthday!
 
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Andy: in case you ever want to just write your stuff in a book and call it's HANDY ANDY'S do anything you can think or dream of i'm betting it would sell.

Thanks, Drives! I did write my stuff in a book. It's called "Cleaning Up My Shop". Look for it in forums near you!!

sorry to say I drove a GTO in the mid 70's that a friend thought was quicker than anything on the road and it handled like driving a BOAT and not a GOAT. my little Mach1 with a 428 cobra jet on it left him in the dust too when we found a stretch of road where nobody was. back in the day you could actually drive on a freeway and not see a car for a few miles here (late 60's early 70's), but now it's just a large parking lot and the kids still try to pull off the stunts of their parents and grand parents even though not nearly as safe so I wish they'd go to Oklahoma where there are still roads and no people, cars or critters.

I guess I can see where a pony could outrun a goat. But not before 1969 :lol_hitti

We do have no people, and no cars, but we do have critters. The deer are thick around here. And we also have bears (with flashing lights).


carry on and keep on dreaming and waking up and doing something every day even if you are making a mess and not really cleaning up.

cheers

Thank you for the kind words my friend!

Andy, your not dreaming as I can confirm you do great work..:thumbup:

Thank you, Steve. But Drives is right, you have to dream up stuff to do or you'll just respond to problema du jour.

You have been a great encouragement to me, I often think WW1/2CD. :3gears:

WOW... What is the old saying, "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time."

Started from the beginning of the thread a few months ago and finally made it the end, reading a little during mental breaks at work. Bitter sweet, as I won't be able to kill free time as much now since I'm all caught up. Maybe now I will comment a little bit now. (Wanted to wait until I read everything before I made a post)

I want to thank you Andy for all the entertainment and learning opportunities.

I wish I lived closer and I could take you up on some of those free lessons on welding, farming, ranching, forging, painting, broom making, casting, sock making or any of your other mini-talents.

Happy Belated Birthday!

Wow! What an humbling post! Thank you for your kind words. :bowdown:

I'm honored that you made it through the entire thread, and doubly that you made your first post on my thread! There are so many interesting threads on this site. :bowdown::bowdown:

But entertainment and learning?:willy_nil

Unless you're learning how not to clean up your shop.:lol_hitti

I see you are a quick study, though, and recognize mini-talents.:lol:

Texas is right next door, how far can you be? You would be most welcome to come for a visit, so long as you keep your expectations low.

I had a pretty good day today. Got a haircut, took my wife to her favorite restaurant (Grub House in Yale, OK) then melted some aluminum!!

I made a trivet (for my barber, a friend's wife, the friend who welded up the Chevelle upper rear control arms, if you remember) then poured the foam umbrella support sleeve.

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I was surprised the entire pattern filled. And the ID seems right on the foam pattern size, I thought it would shrink a little. Still enough room for cleanup machining.

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I am still excited about the possibilities of lost foam casting.

Thanks for stopping in!

And an extra greeting to rrcountry and welcome to Garage Journal! :beer:
 

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Hey Andy, I agree with 1/2cup, it's not just in your dreams that you do great work. ☺

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No, really, I do good stuff in my dreams.:bounce:

Thanks for the encouragement.:thumbup:

Andy, kind words indeed from rrcountry:bowdown:

What a great outcome on the umbrella clamp, it should machine up nicely..:thumbup:

Yeah, I hope rrountry comes back. Hope he didn't get wore out reading the thread.

Thanks for your kind words. It is amazing that anything you can build in foam can become metal so easily. My beginner's luck is holding up fine.

I put it in the lathe today. Those ears spinning around will command respect. It was a real boring job. Looks like it will clean up just fine.

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I've asked him to measure the tube it rides on but have not heard back yet. He is an engineer so may not be able to accurately measure the tube. :lol_hitti But I'll leave it chucked up until I hear. Big difference between chucked up and up chucked.

Thanks for stopping by, guys.

In other news, I finished cutting up the foam for the shelf brackets.

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That includes 1" long 1/4"x5/16" pieces for reinforcing the bolting flanges.

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Put the reinforcing on and installed feeders

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I really like small production runs :bounce:

Then I paired them to sprues

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And after painting them I'll have plenty to pour. Now I've got some machining to get done.
 

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Andy I was over 40 pages behind :wtf:

Back in real time now, the lost foam process is awesome - I'm going to have to play with this for sure. Like you say it's one of those how did I ever get by moments, although perhaps I need the one that comes with getting a mill to machine things afterwards first hmmmm :headscrat

Cheers GB
 

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Sounds like you have the CAM basics covered very well. Didn’t even think to consider tooling though. Having a good carbide CNC routerbit designed for wood, would do wood wonders. :) Could have sent you some 1/8”carbide samples too. Just saw this on my rounds today - https://www.cnccookbook.com/feeds-speeds-wood/

That umbrella component came out nice and is a significant upgrade from the original which appeared to be made of metal reinforced paint. I’m afraid the owner might be back with the rest of the umbrella for a full upgrade(replacement). :willy_nil

I don’t think the shop owner full appreciates what went into those shelf brackets other than keeping you from boredom! :thumbup:
 

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Andy, I must be living in dream land because the bracket came out very well.

Dwight
 
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Andy, mass production at its finest..:thumbup:

:bounce: Thanks for the good words! I just love lining a few things up.

I hijacked your thread. :sad: But I had a good time doing it.:eyecrazy:

Andy I was over 40 pages behind :wtf:

Back in real time now, the lost foam process is awesome - I'm going to have to play with this for sure. Like you say it's one of those how did I ever get by moments, although perhaps I need the one that comes with getting a mill to machine things afterwards first hmmmm :headscrat

Cheers GB

Sorry you got behind. I was trying to wait on you, going as slowly as I could. I don't know what happened.

The lost foam is surprisingly easy. There's just lot's of stuff that can be done without machining. I need a better way to hang up my foundry tools (tongs, shank, and skimmer) and am going to give a go at decorative cast holders.

Sounds like you have the CAM basics covered very well. Didn’t even think to consider tooling though. Having a good carbide CNC routerbit designed for wood, would do wood wonders. :) Could have sent you some 1/8”carbide samples too. Just saw this on my rounds today - https://www.cnccookbook.com/feeds-speeds-wood/

One of my CAM learning experiences was failing to recognize the most important thing in CAM is knowing the tooling you plan to use. I tried to start thinking I would add tools later, but you really need to build your tool library first, then select the proper tool for each step. I'm still crawling but at least have been all the way through the process once.

I intentionally bought metal working bits.:eyecrazy: (the manual with the router suggested carbide milling bits)

Thanks for the link. I think. I got in real deep real fast.


That umbrella component came out nice and is a significant upgrade from the original which appeared to be made of metal reinforced paint. I’m afraid the owner might be back with the rest of the umbrella for a full upgrade(replacement). :willy_nil

HA! Thanks!! I really think my old friend would like nothing more than to stump me. So I have to rise to the challenge.:spit: I need to get it bead blasted, I think it will look nice. But a little machining first.

I don’t think the shop owner full appreciates what went into those shelf brackets other than keeping you from boredom! :thumbup:

I hope she never knows how much work is going in to her little shelf. Please don't tell anybody. It would have been much easier to trash her pipe frames and weld up a nice shelving unit. But she wants steampunk so I'm going with castings and bolts. Part way through machining I may wish I hadn't started. Twentyfour sets and I have one set done, 8 tops cast and three bottoms cast. I'm casting in a single plastic bucket and letting the sand cool overnight before sifting it. I at least need to add another bucket. If I cast every day it will just happen.:bounce:

Thanks for stopping in guys! Always great to have comments.

I started on six hammer handles today. So we'll see more hammers in the mail soon!

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Finished three more trivets. Every lady has liked hers so far. And Mother's Day is coming in the U.S. so I'm in high gear on trivets.

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Last several days I have cast a trivet, a pair of clamp pieces, then melted scrap. I'm making the parts from sprues and gates.

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This box was full so I'm making a dent. But each pour the excess metal goes into muffins so I've got a bucket full of muffins. This is what 79-1/2 lbs of aluminum muffins looks like (bucket weighs 1-1/2 lbs)

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Dental appointment tomorrow so progress may be slow but I need to at least cast a clamp set and another trivet.:willy_nil Rain forecast for the middle of the week may shut the foundry down and I'll have to finish something. :willy_nil:willy_nil
 

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Andy, I must be living in dream land because the bracket came out very well.

Dwight

Welcome to my world!!:lol_hitti

Seriously, you need to stop by.

I've been gone too long. Handy Andy, that's a good one.

Glad you're back. I kind of like Handy Andy too. Better than high school where the girls called me Handsy Andy. That was so embarrassing. What were they thinking?

I've got a Studebaker around here someplace...
 

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Thank you for the kind words my friend!

Wow! What an humbling post! Thank you for your kind words. :bowdown:

I'm honored that you made it through the entire thread, and doubly that you made your first post on my thread! There are so many interesting threads on this site. :bowdown::bowdown:

But entertainment and learning?:willy_nil

Unless you're learning how not to clean up your shop.:lol_hitti

I see you are a quick study, though, and recognize mini-talents.:lol:

Texas is right next door, how far can you be? You would be most welcome to come for a visit, so long as you keep your expectations low.

Thanks for the warm Welcome Andy. You're a gracious host. I plan on hanging around and occasionally commenting now.

I live NE of Dallas, Texas, so not too far. But far enough to not just stop by unannounced.

Right now I'm still building my shop, shell is done now working on the inside. So not too much cleaning up other than when I get done working on something.

Thanks for the Coke. :beer:
 

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Andy just got back from the Mother Earth News Fair in N.C. Some great new ideas and friends. Take one in if you haven't already. Looks like you have been keeping busy. Great display of work for someone your age.:lol_hitti
 
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