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chrisnazzy

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Spotted a fresh FB Marketplace listing on Sunday about an hour away in Kingman, AZ. Only one pic (1st pic) but I recognized it as a Prentiss swivel jaw of unknown size. I messaged the seller and asked for a couple more pics but let him know that I would buy it for his $30 asking price as long as it wasn't broken or repaired. I figured as long as it didn't have any ugly welds it was worth that much just as an antique shelf piece.

Once he sent me a couple more pics and let me know the jaws measured over 5" I knew it was a very old 100+ lb. Prentiss 21 that looked to be in good shape. I passed on a similar vise a few weeks ago because the slide was cracked badly as so many Prentiss seem to be. The slide on this one was intact and besides a chip out of the front nose it looked free of any other damage or repairs.

I was all set to hop in the truck and take a little drive but he insisted he had a friend who was coming to my town the following morning for work and he would just throw it in his service truck. I was leary because I've been burnt before by sellers who've committed to a sale only to sell a vise to someone else who offers them more than their asking price, but I took his word and he marked the item as sold and then took the ad down completely without me asking him to do so. Well, it all worked out and I got the vise. I gave his buddy $40 instead and thanked him for delivering it.

It's quite a bit bigger than I thought it would be. What are the chances of being able to easily pull the pin and move the swivel jaw with virtually no effort. I was sure it was going to be my first really challenging vise but it's in remarkable shape for its age.

The one secret the vise did have was at some point in its life someone apparently wanted to shorten its travel. The vise is supposed to open 8" but the screw has been shortened by a couple inches. Then there was a piece of metal hex stock about 2" long slid into the nuts dovetail to space the nut back further into the static making the screw come out of the nut even sooner than it had to. I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to do this. Either way though, with the nut re-installed properly the vise works great, it just doesn't quite open the whole 8". Some serious stripping and sanding and a BLO finish are in this vises future!Screenshot_20180506-143640.jpeg20180507_201100.jpeg20180507_200910.jpeg20180507_200549.jpeg20180507_200512.jpeg

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I have driven the pin out by removing the slide and swivel base, and the pin hole is only a little offset from the swivel hole. Drive the pin out through the swivel hole.
 

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Couple recent finds. First is a Colton patent vise, my largest one yet, 3" jaws, opens to 3-3/4". Anybody have a pic of the mounting hardware by chance? Did Colton's come bigger than this? Threw $10. for this one.

Next is a little clamp on swivel jaw, swivel base, jaws are 1-13/16" wide, kinda cute.
 

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007: without the pin the vise is almost worthless so guessing you overpaid. Seriously you can even trim down a bolt for temp work until you buy or make a permenant one. If one of the guys doesn’t already have a pin drawn up in cad I’ve got one sitting on my 404.5 on a shelf I’ll try to get some specs for you so just ask. Nice find and GOOD EYES!!

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Thanks! I would be grateful if you could provide some specs. I can easily have the pin made as long as I have the specs.
 

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A pretty damn mint Starrett 015 to add onto the mix today. Weathered but looks like very little use.
 

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007: I had the same problem with a smaller Reed. Not knowing exactly how I was going to make one, I hit on the idea that maybe one of my tapered punches might fit. I realized it was a long shot, but had a bunch of punches so nothing to lose.
It turned out that one of the Craftsman’s fit perfectly, taper wise. All I had to do was cut off the excess on the small end where it hit the slide. On the top I cut the excess off and left it about 3/4 in. long. It was square rather than round, but worked fine, although it did look a little weird to me, it didn’t bother the guy I sold it to one bit.

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Thank you for the suggestion! That is pretty clever and might be worth trying.
 

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cn, you ****! Nice find!

Chris

:+1: I concur with Tex! And both your find and your story hands down are more impressive than my recent vise find :thumbup:

And as for restoring it we all know that your restorations are always top-notch and second to none, so I am sure as usual it will look fantastic.
 

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Couple recent finds. First is a Colton patent vise, my largest one yet, 3" jaws, opens to 3-3/4". Anybody have a pic of the mounting hardware by chance? Did Colton's come bigger than this? Threw $10. for this one.

Next is a little clamp on swivel jaw, swivel base, jaws are 1-13/16" wide, kinda cute.

454
Very nice finds. :thumbup:
 

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Thanks! I would be grateful if you could provide some specs. I can easily have the pin made as long as I have the specs.

You have the spec:s from your vise. Here is a example of a Prentiss I used to figure out the taper, takes a little math but you can create your own pin.
 

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LK44E

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LK: nice save on the wilton with the busted jaw support. AND nice fix on that with that braze weld. VERY WELL DONE!!

if you might have other pictures of the welding, grinding and or machining please post them up on the vise repair 101 thread cause a lot of welders have have never brazed and we need a few tips from you old pros. here's the link:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252830

thanks for sharing

Thanks. I will see what I can add.
 

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Picked up this Littlestown #25 the other day at a yard sale, not a bad $15 spent

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Finally found a nice vise in the Sothern California area. Only had to drive 20 miles. Ridge #51. Appears to be the same as a Desmond/Stephens/Simplex #51 S. @5 inch jaws. 90 Lbs. It's not listed in the data base under Ridge vises. Got it for $70 dollars. Very happy with it. Anything else I should know? Ridge eventually became Ridgid Tools.
 

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Nice Prentiss 454 interesting base mod

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Damn, was hoping to have a little fun with this one. :D

The vise is one I picked up a couple years ago, someone had welded a mounting plate on it, crooked I might add. Pics here https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5837020&highlight=Prentiss#post5837020

I first made a round static base, but then got the idea that a Stanley clamp on swivel base might work well, what with the Prentiss style spring loaded swivel pin. Found a cheap beater on ebay, cut the Stanley vise off, machined it flat, and bolted the Prentiss on. Was tempted to bed it in JB Weld, fair it in like a casting, and paint it , but decided not to. I made a new swivel jaw pin to replace the round headed one that was on there.


More pics of the vise as found https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5810374&highlight=Prentiss#post5810374
 
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454ragtop

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Finally found a nice vise in the Sothern California area. Only had to drive 20 miles. Ridge #51. Appears to be the same as a Desmond/Stephens/Simplex #51 S. @5 inch jaws. 90 Lbs. It's not listed in the data base under Ridge vises. Got it for $70 dollars. Very happy with it. Anything else I should know? Ridge eventually became Ridgid Tools.

Welcome, nice vise, looks pretty minty, and at a "you ****" price as well. Should be a lifetime vise.
 

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Finally found a nice vise in the Sothern California area. Only had to drive 20 miles. Ridge #51. Appears to be the same as a Desmond/Stephens/Simplex #51 S. @5 inch jaws. 90 Lbs. It's not listed in the data base under Ridge vises. Got it for $70 dollars. Very happy with it. Anything else I should know? Ridge eventually became Ridgid Tools.

Nice vise jaxpc. Thanks for the spec:s, I added it to the spreadsheet under Ridge. Does it have replaceable jaws? You will have many years of service from that big guy.
 
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The Ridge #51 does have replaceable jaws. I will clean it up a bit and this will be my everyday working vise.
 

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Ok, although I'm not as big a vise aficionado as some, I do have a love for well made iron. Attached are a few vises I have.

Vise #1 is the workhorse of my shop. It's a Columbian 604 that I've had for over 40 years and it is my "go to" vise for nearly everything. It isn't as pretty as some I've seen here, but it certainly does the job.


Vise #2 was found at an OGCA gun show a few months back and I got it for a $20.00 bill. It's a Modern #741 with 1½" jaws and other than the patina appears to be nearly new.


Vise #3 is a Garfield PowerArm (predecessor of the Wilton 303) with a 3" vise on top. This was sitting under a table at a Flea market in Painesville, Ohio, and was had for $30.00. When I bought it, the vise was frozen and the hydraulics were non-functional. Tried to find references on rebuilding the hydraulics, but couldn't find any. Ended up making tools for disassembly and re-assembly. Cost to rebuild was just under $10.00 and now I have some spare cylinder cups, should the need ever arise. I opted not to paint the top of the unit as the original decal looks kinda cool.

If anyone has questions on rebuilding the PowerArm, I can try to answer any questions. It can be a bit tricky on re-assembly since there isn't any bleeder screw or valve.
 

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Picked up this Littlestown #25 the other day at a yard sale, not a bad $15 spent

15til3
Yes that is a pretty good deal. But now you are hooked and it is going to cost you more and more as your vise addiction takes over :evil:. But seriously welcome to the vise world (polite way of saying vise addict club :D) :thumbup:
 

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Johnny__V, My go-to work-horse vise is a Columbian too.---They are the Rodney Dangerfield of vises.---They never get the respect they deserve.----Nice little collection you've got started.
 

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So I just spent 2 hours searching, and then browsing this thread, to no avail. So, I'll ask you folks. Have we ever seen ANY vises made by ANY of the gentlemen I've done research on in the Vise History Thread? This is of course besides the Wetherel vise for sale I posted with his story.

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Gman, I could have been riding this little Stevens for days if I wasn't so skittish.---I cheat myself out of some real adrenaline highs.:sad:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ra...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

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Somewhere in the world there is an ancient saying that roughly goes something like “one that even once has been bitten by a snake will be forever afraid of even a piece of colored rope”. Now after your near decapitation by the train tunnel experience , the more rational part of your brain is saving you from yourself so be happy :D

Remember as chief Dan George said “endeavor to persevere”!
 
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Yes that is a pretty good deal. But now you are hooked and it is going to cost you more and more as your vise addiction takes over :evil:. But seriously welcome to the vise world (polite way of saying vise addict club :D) :thumbup:

I already find myself sifting through craigslist ads and facebook marketplace looking for a Wilton
 

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Here a few vises I finished recently
Columbian 404 M2
Simplex 41P
Wilton 9350
Parker 973
 

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Once upon a time things were made with pride, design flaws were an anomaly.
Now they're made with speed and greed----designed to flaw----and pride is the anomaly.

Really like your signature. Used to work in a local gun shop about 40 years ago and the owner told me basically the same thing - "Things today are built with "Planned Obsolescense" in mind". I was young then, and thought he was full of it, but in my advanced years, I see the rationale in his words.
 

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Here's the tools I used to rebuild my Garfield PowerArm.
From left to right:

Grease fitting adapter to hydraulically remove both pistons and cups from the unit.

Puller to remove pressure screw threaded plug.

1" plug to install large cylinder cup.

Choke wire for bleeding the trapped air from under the 1" cup (this unit does not have a fill plug or bleeder screw).

Return spring installer (some units don't have this feature)

Raybestos WK1444 (5/8") cylinder rebuild kit.

Raybestos WK21 (1") cylinder rebuild kit.

Brake fluid.

A couple people told me to use hydraulic oil, but being unsure if the cylinder cups would be compatible, I opted to stay with the brake fluid.
 

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Here a few vises I finished recently
Columbian 404 M2
Simplex 41P
Wilton 9350
Parker 974

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I am curious about the relative sizes of the vises in the photo and that could simply be due to the angle/distance and prospective as the Parker is furthest from the camera. Parker 974 which weighs 59 lb and for a 4" is one of the heftiest vises in that jaw size appears to be a lot smaller than the Columbian 404 M2 (4" 45 lb).

So I am wondering if the Parker is a 973 and not 974.
 
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gman, you are correct on the "973"

Kevin, the tapped hole was there so I put a ball bearing, spring, and SS set screw in. All the new screws are stainless.

VA , the table is my wifes chalk paint table, I had a chest of drawers balanced on there once :eyecrazy:

To all, thanks for the comments ! I have the next one in rhe tank already.
 
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