Rest In Peace Dewalt Flexvolt.

[kctyphoon]

Yes you are deflecting. You still have not answered my question. I ignored your remark about the DeWalt flexvolt saw, because it's irrelevant to the topic we were discussing. What you're doing is "arguing the strawman". You're arguing points we're not even talking about to try and make the Milwaukee seem better.

Stick to the topic. That topic, since you seem to have forgotten already, is why is Milwaukee comparing their $400, 14 pound saw to a $170, 8.5 pound saw, 30cc entry level saw? Why does all their marketing guff keep mentioning "40cc saws", and then they compare it to a cheapo 30cc homeowner saw?

In your own post you say Milwaukee targets this saw at the "professional", except this thing is a complete joke to any professional. No professional is going to want to use a saw that weighs 2 pounds more than a Stihl MS-271 Farm Boss, but only has the power of Stihl's entry level homeowner saw.

P.S. The DeWalt 60v flexvolt chainsaw only weighs 12.2 pounds with the battery. The Home Depot listing is either the weight of the whole box, or is just wrong.

Holy cow dude - I answered you're incredibly insignificant question like 2 days ago.. go read... don't like the answer? I can "demand" answers too - like "WHY did Dewalt claim they named their new 18v line - 20v max - so it's not 'confused' with the old 18v stuff --BUT THEN name their 54v line '60v', when their is no old 54v line.??????? You want 10cc's , I want 6 volts.. or we can instead both stop asking useless questions.. it's a good cordless saw dude.. just say it already...

I find the MERE FACT - that you're DEMANDING a BIGGER GAS CHAINSAW, be used to race against the 18v cordless "turd" - an AUTOMATIC win for team RED.

"Dammit, go get a bigger gas chainsaw so we can show that 18v cordless who's boss- the last two gas models weren't big enough!!!!!

 

[American Locomotive]

No, what I'm demanding is that you tell my why Milwaukee is comparing their 14 pound, $400 professional saw to a $170, 8.5 pound 30cc homeowner saw.

Why is it unreasonable to compare a $400 14 pound professional saw to a $400 14 pouns professional gas saw? If Milwaukee's 14 pound, $400 pro saw can only compete with Stihl's entry level homeowner saw, this product is dead in the water.

 

[Hilltopmasonry]

Geez this thread has run it coarse, it’s getting as bad as any political thread

To lighten the mood I think that I saw that harbor freight advertised that their saw BEATS xxxx (whoever) saw


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[kctyphoon]

No, what I'm demanding is that you tell my why Milwaukee is comparing their 14 pound, $400 professional saw to a $170, 8.5 pound 30cc homeowner saw.

Why is it unreasonable to compare a $400 14 pound professional saw to a $400 14 pouns professional gas saw? If Milwaukee's 14 pound, $400 pro saw can only compete with Stihl's entry level homeowner saw, this product is dead in the water.

Your comparing apples to oranges dude.. the PRICE has nothing to do with the results. Why does an all electric motorcycle cost twice as much as a gas sport bike??? Why is it ONY $50 more than a flexvolt 60v yet it boasts the latest and greatest in battery tech?

Why CANT the $170 (as you put it) gas saw "spank" the little 18v?? The equivalent voltage of 2 9v batteries is cutting trees down - quickly..

 

[ngk22r]

 

[WWheeler]

 

[Farmall450]

That's a good one. RIP O'Reilly

 

[American Locomotive]

Your comparing apples to oranges dude.. the PRICE has nothing to do with the results. Why does an all electric motorcycle cost twice as much as a gas sport bike??? Why is it ONY $50 more than a flexvolt 60v yet it boasts the latest and greatest in battery tech?

Why CANT the $170 (as you put it) gas saw "spank" the little 18v?? The equivalent voltage of 2 9v batteries is cutting trees down - quickly..

Why is Milwaukee comparing their $400, 14 pound professional saw to a $170, 30cc, 8.5 pound homeowner saw? Why are they not comparing it to another 14 pound, $400 professional saw?

How is comparing a 14 pound, $400 Professional saw to another 14 pound, $400 professional saw "apples to oranges", but comparing a 14 pound, $400 professional saw to a $170 8.5 pound homeowner saw not?

Milwaukee's own marketing information says their saw is targeted at the 40cc, professional gas saw market. However they're demoing it compared to 30cc, $170 homeowner saws. If they say their target is the 40cc, professional gas saw market, why is comparing their saw to a $400, 14 pound, 40cc professional gas saw apples to oranges?

 

[Sugarfryz]

Me too!

What’s the advantage to the gas powered Impact

 

[kctyphoon]

What’s the advantage to the gas powered Impact

You get to curse at it for not wanting to start.. it's a free upgrade.

 

[kelpaso1]

Why is Milwaukee comparing their $400, 14 pound professional saw to a $170, 30cc, 8.5 pound homeowner saw? Why are they not comparing it to another 14 pound, $400 professional saw?

How is comparing a 14 pound, $400 Professional saw to another 14 pound, $400 professional saw "apples to oranges", but comparing a 14 pound, $400 professional saw to a $170 8.5 pound homeowner saw not?

Milwaukee's own marketing information says their saw is targeted at the 40cc, professional gas saw market. However they're demoing it compared to 30cc, $170 homeowner saws. If they say their target is the 40cc, professional gas saw market, why is comparing their saw to a $400, 14 pound, 40cc professional gas saw apples to oranges?

That 30cc saw with a new chain like the red one would have cut circles around the Mil in terms of time and amount cut in a half hour. He just doesn't get it

 

[kctyphoon]

Why is Milwaukee comparing their $400, 14 pound professional saw to a $170, 30cc, 8.5 pound homeowner saw? Why are they not comparing it to another 14 pound, $400 professional saw?

How is comparing a 14 pound, $400 Professional saw to another 14 pound, $400 professional saw "apples to oranges", but comparing a 14 pound, $400 professional saw to a $170 8.5 pound homeowner saw not?

Milwaukee's own marketing information says their saw is targeted at the 40cc, professional gas saw market. However they're demoing it compared to 30cc, $170 homeowner saws. If they say their target is the 40cc, professional gas saw market, why is comparing their saw to a $400, 14 pound, 40cc professional gas saw apples to oranges?

Dude, you're hopeless.... first the weight was a disadvantage, now it's Milwaukee's advantage.. pick a side.. lol

 

[WWheeler]

What’s the advantage to the gas powered Impact

No advantage at all. Those were tools used before there was cordless. Don't even think anyone makes any of them anymore. When I ran utility line clearance crews the shop used to supply our mechanics with them for if we had an issue offroad on a skidder or tractor or the like but I'm not sure any of them ever actually got used. If you had to hump through a swamp with tools to work on something you were more likely to take a pipe and a ~48" 1" breaker bar than you were to lug that thing, and could get a lot more oomph on it at that than that impact ever could. I did see some of the power guys using them erecting transmission line towers in the late 80s.

 

[American Locomotive]

Dude, you're hopeless.... first the weight was a disadvantage, now it's Milwaukee's advantage.. pick a side.. lol

I never once stated or implied that being heavier was an advtange. I simply stated that Milwaukee is targetting this saw at the $400, 14 pound professional saw market. It's a specific class of saw.

So please once again explain to me why it's apples to oranges comparing the 14 pound, $400 Milwaukee HD professional saw to a 14 pound, $400 Stihl gas saw. The Stihl Farm Boss and the Milwaukee HD are in the same price, size and weight class.

This must be the 6th time I've asked this question with you replying with a non-answer.

 

[Hilltopmasonry]

You get to curse at it for not wanting to start.. it's a free upgrade.

Hahaha

Mamma told me nuthin in the world is free


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[seanb02]

My professional Stihl MS362 has a weight of 12.3 lbs powerhead alone. Add 2 lbs for the 20" bar and it is right there with the Milwaukee. Dang, I guess I screwed up big time buying that one. Still have the old early 80's 032AV that the new one replaced. There were periods where it would sit for YEARS without being fired up, the gas never drained out or run out before being "parked". Always fired right up.

A heavy electric saw that just doesn't have it torque wise, or long battery life, yeah I'm for sure going to go that route. I bet those batteries will be doing great 40 years from now if we are going to compare the lifespan to that of the old Stihl. Probably does great if it was left outside in the elements for a while too.

It's marketed as a professional saw as a total gimmick sales pitch. Folks like the OP see that and immediately think it must be the best thing ever. And because Milwaukee makes excellent cordless impacts and drills, then the saw must be the best on the market as well.

Those kind of folks are too blinded to see that any one brand does not cover the entire spectrum and are unwilling to admit that other brands can actually be comparable. But to admit defeat when faced with logic it takes a certain kind of person to actually be able to admit even to themselves when their arguments are flawed. It is much preferable to me to keep an open mind, because I am fully aware that I do not know it all.

 

[kctyphoon]

I never once stated or implied that being heavier was an advtange. I simply stated that Milwaukee is targetting this saw at the $400, 14 pound professional saw market. It's a specific class of saw.

So please once again explain to me why it's apples to oranges comparing the 14 pound, $400 Milwaukee HD professional saw to a 14 pound, $400 Stihl gas saw. The Stihl Farm Boss and the Milwaukee HD are in the same price, size and weight class.

This must be the 6th time I've asked this question with you replying with a non-answer.

GUY - LISTEN TO THESE WORDS... IT IS A KIT !!!!!! It comes with a battery and fast charger you can use with like 100 other tools... do you NOT comprehend that?? The bare tool would NOT, understand, NOT be $400.. it would be like $225 - $250.. maybe less after the hype wears off cause they almost always lower prices or do promos.. half of us that own the string trimmers and blowers got one of the tools for free..

IT IS NOT A $400 SAW - ITS A $400 KIT, WITH A SAW... I can use any of the 4 9.0 batteries or the other 12 batteries I have laying around..

Even at $250 - it's maintenance free, will ALWAYS START, no matter how long it sat, no matter what the temperature is, use it in the garage, on a jobsite, indoors, doesn't release fumes, wont wake up the whole neighborhood- CORDLESS CHAINSAW that competes with a gas saw - if you can't say, or even admit to yourself ALL THAT ain't worth another $75 For JUST THE SAW, you're crazy...

As I stated dude, you're comparing apples to oranges..

 

[American Locomotive]

...and If I don't have any Milwaukee stuff? Until I can buy just a bare saw, it is a $400 saw. Since the Milwaukee HD saw requires the new high output 12.0Ah batteries (unless you can prove otherwise) it's still going to be a significant investment.

 

[ocloc24]

Not involved in this debate at all and I'm on no ones side but you absolutely 100% can use it with any other battery. You could use a 1.5ah compact if you really wanted to. It just is optimized for use with the 12.0

...and If I don't have any Milwaukee stuff? Until I can buy just a bare saw, it is a $400 saw. Since the Milwaukee HD saw requires the new high output 12.0Ah batteries (unless you can prove otherwise) it's still going to be a significant investment.

 

[American Locomotive]

Milwaukee says the new saw has a 2,000 watt motor. You are in no way able to pull 2KW of power from a 1.5Ah M18 battery pack. That's 110 amps of current. A single series string of 18650 cells cannot support that.

 

[WhiffySpark]

They could have at least had the sthil cordless saws in the comparison.

One poster has pretty much turned me away form milueakee anything these days

 

[ocloc24]

Milwaukee says the new saw has a 2,000 watt motor. You are in no way able to pull 2KW of power from a 1.5Ah M18 battery pack. That's 110 amps of current. A single series string of 18650 cells cannot support that.

Again, I didn't say it would work well, but it should work. Optimized for 6.0 HO, 9.0, and 12.0 HO. But you could use the smaller ones, it just wouldn't be smart.

 

[Shaners256]

Milwaukee says the new saw has a 2,000 watt motor. You are in no way able to pull 2KW of power from a 1.5Ah M18 battery pack. That's 110 amps of current. A single series string of 18650 cells cannot support that.

You are correct, but the saw does work with any M18 battery. It will just cut slower on the compact batteries.

 

[American Locomotive]

You are correct, but the saw does work with any M18 battery. It will just cut slower on the compact batteries.

That doesn't exactly help the "cost" argument then.

 

[ngk22r]

One poster has pretty much turned me away form milueakee anything these days

That is a kinda dumb reason not to buy something regardless of brand.

 

[ngk22r]

This thread has gone well past it's sell buy date..

Time to end this **** circus.

See I remember how this forum use to be like and it has evolved into a constant battle over the most absolute retarded arguments.

Some of you need to wake up and realize their product doesn't always make the best stuff or that being cheap doesn't make your tool better than a more expensive one. Normally it was easy to just pass by a said thread but the ******** is spewing all over the place.

So here is my advice: if your feeling froggy to attempt to be the forum retard champion, step away from the keyboard and go work on something. Who really gives a **** what is in your damn tool box? Both parties really need to shut the **** up already. If you dont like Snap-on or the tool truck brands fine but quit with your retarded remarks about it! Hey Snap-on/tool truck tool owners, not everyone can afford those brands or don't need those brands. Goes the same way with Milwaukee vs DeWalt, Makita vs Festool, Husky vs Craftsman.

Keep at the retard war championships and don't be surprised if people no longer reply to you because you are on their ignore list.

 

[turnthewrench 2.0]

This thread has gone well past it's sell buy date..

Time to end this **** circus.

AMEN to that!

 

[L.Cheapo]

AMEN to that!

With selective use of the site's ignore feature, this thread is actually worthwhile. I resisted enabling that feature as long as I could, but it works flawlessly and I enjoy the site more because of it.

 

[WWheeler]

That is a kinda dumb reason not to buy something regardless of brand.

Have you read all of this thread? I'm with Whiffy on this one.

I already own some Milwaukee tools and this thread has had me rethinking other options instead of using the ones I have, much less buying any more. I'm worried using them too much will turn me into someone I can't stand. Sounds like hyperbole I'm sure, but I assure you not.

 

[ngk22r]

Have you read all of this thread? I'm with Whiffy on this one.

I already own some Milwaukee tools and this thread has had me rethinking other options instead of using the ones I have, much less buying any more. I'm worried using them too much will turn me into someone I can't stand. Sounds like hyperbole I'm sure, but I assure you not.

I own A LOT of Milwaukee fuel tools, I have not **** on DeWalt or Makita guys.

If your worried about a brand changing you into a "bad" person then that is a personal problem.

It's just as easy to just enjoy the tools you use and not give a **** what someone else has or not bash someone on what they have?

 

[redwrench60]

Have you read all of this thread? I'm with Whiffy on this one.

I already own some Milwaukee tools and this thread has had me rethinking other options instead of using the ones I have, much less buying any more. I'm worried using them too much will turn me into someone I can't stand. Sounds like hyperbole I'm sure, but I assure you not.

Don’t worry, I’ve got plenty of Milwaukee stuff that I love and I’m no more of an ******* than before I bought them

I don’t understand why the OP doesn’t just post these type of subjects in the Milwaukee addiction thread where everyone goes to worship at the alter of Milwaukee. I consider myself a pretty big fan also but I don’t see the need to bludgeon everyone to death with it. It really seems like a waste of energy.

 

[Mr_B]

That's great until they decide to discontinue the batteries in 3 years to release the new 19.2 super ultra batteries with 2% improvement over the old and aren't compatible with your chainsaw.
Maybe I am missing something but I don't really see the value in these cordless lawn tools when I can just buy a gasser for less and have for a few decades and just pour gas in it.

Which is probably why the new 12.0 battery STILL does not fill up the battery slot in the tool.. some nice real estate left inside to exploit at a later date.. and I can still buy factory 9.6 Makita batteries, and my old Paslode nailer batteries just by walking into a hd.. ur way of thinking has been disproven for some time now as far as battery platforms..

Cheap gas outdoor equipment usually isn't worth the headache.. and speaking of headaches - people won't be getting any from their nice a quiet cordless stuff..

But more importantly - BYE BYE FLexvolt.. lol. I feel like some guy is cooking up a great idea to introduce Dewalt's new 80v flexvolt as we speak..

I'm with Ace, i'll take gas outdoor equipment everytime, I got gas strimmers, trimmers, saws decades old and minimal maintenance and when do need fix it it like 10bucks for carb kit, my small kawasaki strimmer cost me 5bucks for a koyo bearing (easily found from original bearing code) that supports the drive rod and that it .
I saw all the electric tools in the skips at recycling centre a week ago and the batteries when weighing in my pallet of car batteries. Really don't see the logic in battery tools when not actually needed or not best power source or durability for the job . Not great on environment as awful in terms of production and recycling .

 

[kctyphoon]

That doesn't exactly help the "cost" argument then.

Lord help us.. WHY - are you comparing the cost of a gas saw, to the cost of an electic kit to make a poor case of "bad mikwauke".. compare the Milwaukee kit cost, to the price.of the DeWalt flexvolt kit...

How much money do you spend in gas and oil over the "40 year period", for a gas saw?? My point is compare the electric TO ANOTHER electric if price is the issue you're fixating on.

 

[kctyphoon]

I'm with Ace, i'll take gas outdoor equipment everytime, I got gas strimmers, trimmers, saws decades old and minimal maintenance and when do need fix it it like 10bucks for carb kit, my small kawasaki strimmer cost me 5bucks for a koyo bearing (easily found from original bearing code) that supports the drive rod and that it .
I saw all the electric tools in the skips at recycling centre a week ago and the batteries when weighing in my pallet of car batteries. Really don't see the logic in battery tools when not actually needed or not best power source or durability for the job . Not great on environment as awful in terms of production and recycling .

PLEASE don't start a debate on how 2 stroke engines are more "environmentally friendly" compared to an electric model.. lol..

Had to come back and edit - just to add this.. I don't think it's a good idea to attempt to hinge an argument that electric tools and their batteries being recycled as a bad thing for the environment - by first stating that you've been burning the same gas and oill fueled 2- strokes for decades, and will continue to do so.. just an observation...

 

[American Locomotive]

Lord help us.. WHY - are you comparing the cost of a gas saw, to the cost of an electic kit to make a poor case of "bad mikwauke".. compare the Milwaukee kit cost, to the price.of the DeWalt flexvolt kit...

How much money do you spend in gas and oil over the "40 year period", for a gas saw?? My point is compare the electric TO ANOTHER electric if price is the issue you're fixating on.

Milwaukee is the one comparing their saw to a gasoline saw. My questions directly pertain what Milwaukee is doing. If Milwaukee was comparing their saw to the DeWalt FlexVolt saw, that is what I'd be discussing.

Stay on topic and answer my question: Why is Milwaukee comparing their $400 (You need the 12AH battery if you want full performance, and you can only buy it as a kit right now), professional, 14 pound saw saw, targeted at the 40cc professional gas saw market to a $170, 30cc home owner saw?

 

[kctyphoon]

Milwaukee is the one comparing their saw to a gasoline saw. My questions directly pertain what Milwaukee is doing. If Milwaukee was comparing their saw to the DeWalt FlexVolt saw, that is what I'd be discussing.

Stay on topic and answer my question: Why is Milwaukee comparing their $400 (You need the 12AH battery if you want full performance, and you can only buy it as a kit right now), professional, 14 pound saw saw, targeted at the 40cc professional gas saw market to a $170, 30cc home owner saw?

Ummmm... because ONE is cordless electric, and it comes with all the benefits of being THAT... AAANNNDDD - the OTHER is gas, which was once the only viable "cordless" option, but NOW - that is changing..

If and when the day ever comes, when you can slide the engine OUT of that gas saw, and slide it into 125 OTHER TOOLS that you can buy for less money WITHOUT AN ENGINE - suddenly, the "kit" with the engine becomes more valuable.....

THAT - and because of the fact that gas chainsaws are produced by the millions - that makes them cheaper to produce, hence cheaper to buy.. ever hear the story about the guy that wanted to see how much it would cost him to make his own BLT sandwich from scratch?? Bought the animals, milled his own wheat - grew his own plants.. it took him 6 months and cost him $1600..

 

[kctyphoon]

This thread has gone well past it's sell buy date..

Time to end this **** circus.

See I remember how this forum use to be like and it has evolved into a constant battle over the most absolute retarded arguments.

Some of you need to wake up and realize their product doesn't always make the best stuff or that being cheap doesn't make your tool better than a more expensive one. Normally it was easy to just pass by a said thread but the ******** is spewing all over the place.

So here is my advice: if your feeling froggy to attempt to be the forum retard champion, step away from the keyboard and go work on something. Who really gives a **** what is in your damn tool box? Both parties really need to shut the **** up already. If you dont like Snap-on or the tool truck brands fine but quit with your retarded remarks about it! Hey Snap-on/tool truck tool owners, not everyone can afford those brands or don't need those brands. Goes the same way with Milwaukee vs DeWalt, Makita vs Festool, Husky vs Craftsman.

Keep at the retard war championships and don't be surprised if people no longer reply to you because you are on their ignore list.

Ever notice how guys come in late, post, think they are the voice of reason - but wind up being anything but that??

I only posted this cause , if you didn't notice - "nobody else replied"..

 

[ngk22r]

Ever notice how guys come in late, post, think they are the voice of reason - but wind up being anything but that??

I only posted this cause , if you didn't notice - "nobody else replied"..

You might need to read the two people who posted right after me...

Even better is to see who posted on the first page....

But if you guys want to keep duking it out to see who ends up being the champ of this retarded thread, keep at it. The prize is being ignored and labeled as (insert name here).

 

[kctyphoon]

You might need to read the two people who posted right after me...

Even better is to see who posted on the first page....

But if you guys want to keep duking it out to see who ends up being the champ of this retarded thread, keep at it. The prize is being ignored and labeled as (insert name here).

Why do I post this - cause yes, I do think it's funny to see people get triggered so easily, and any person with a shred of common sense can tell it was posted in good fun.

....... it doesn't take a genius to bait a few fools..

I don't know HOW much more OBVIOUS I can possibly be.... and you guys STILL keep posting..... So who's winning a prize huh??

And Yet - I still haven't seen anyone disprove the "18v can be just as good or better than 60v" campaign from Milwaukee...

 

[ngk22r]

I don't know HOW much more OBVIOUS I can possibly be.... and you guys STILL keep posting..... So who's winning a prize huh??

So are you trolling or post whoring?

And Yet - I still haven't seen anyone disprove the "18v can be just as good or better than 60v" campaign from Milwaukee...

This thread has gone beyond the point of anyone really giving a **** anymore.