driftpin
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I had a Pentair 240 volt 3 hp multi-speed pool pump surrender after seven years of service. I was hoping for more, but that's what we got. Model 11011 Intelliflow w/anti-suction sensing.
I went to the local chain pool supply store, their price without the anti-suction sensing device built-in (model 11018) was $1445. That's out-the-door, no installation. The original one was more $, as it had the anti-suction protection, and the pump design, w/multiple speeds, was brand-new on the market. Energy Star-compliant, it runs at different speeds for economy.
Amazon is your friend. Amazon Prime, free shipping, and $925 for the model 11018 pump. I try to buy locally, but a difference of $520, well, hey, we're retired.
Awhile ago we had a pool robot cleaner (Hayward Navigator) line installed (see below for why), and also a pump/filter relocation due to a big whole-home remodel. We added a sitting room on the last bedroom on that side of the house, and also an en-suite luxury bathroom. Another addition was blowing-out the front of the house where the 2 car garage was, to the front setback, to reconfigure the garage, to provide a laundry/pantry, and a new full bath. The idea was to enter the house from the garage, turn right into the bathroom, get cleaned-up there, cross the hallway to the laundry/pantry, throw the clothes into the machine, and emerge clean into the kitchen ("What's for dinner, honey?")
The pool robot cleaner wasn't working very well when it was just plugged-into one of the two pool skimmers. We got a pool service guy to install a new suction line through the sidewall of the pool and to relocate the pump and filter onto a new slab the GC poured beside the pool deck just for it.
The GC did all new electrical service for the pump. He also did a GFCI 120 volt duplex outlet there, which is the end of the new addition, at the en-suite bathroom exterior wall. The new AC is there too, on its own slab.
Back to the defunct pool pump. Three days from order to delivery. I stayed home to wait for it, so no-one could follow the truck and relieve us of our pump. I brought it inside, opened it, and admired the new pump/motor, considerable pride of ownership resulted.
I installed the pump, and when I went to run it, the pump wouldn’t pull a prime. I fussed with it the rest of the day, but it didn’t want to pull the prime, it would shut-off after trying for awhile.
My wife reminded me to “read the directions,” and after reading the priming options, I decided to try setting the “priming sensitivity” from a value on the LCD screen from the factory programmed setting of “1%” to “91%” The lower the # the more-sensitive to sensing if the pump has attained a prime. That did it, and now it pulls a prime fine. I haven’t set-up the time cycles for different speeds, but I probably will tomorrow.
I got a new tool from, horrors! Harbor Freight, a large pair of water pump pliers, w/a curved jaw, for clamping round objects at > 2 points of jaw contact. I think they were $16 not-including the 20% discount, that would be a price of $12.80 before tax. That helped me to work with the unions for the piping to/from the pump. I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the pliers. They were finished smoothly on their sides, the serrations on the jaws looked rugged, and they were comfortable to grip, w/cushioned grips. The ratchet jaws didn’t slip under pressure.
I figure I would have had to pay probably $300 for a pump installation, including fittings and set-up/programming. Since I saved $520 on the pump, and $300 for the install, that’s $820 staying in my pocket.
The pool equipment business where I bought the prior Pentair pump, and to-whom I brought the non-functioning pump for examination said the seal from the front of the motor went bad, allowing water into the motor, causing it to fail. I hadn’t seen the pump leaking from the front of the motor, but when I removed the pump housing, there were signs that it had.
Another thing I encountered when I disassembled the old pump/motor was that the SS hex head screws bolting the motor flange to the pump housing had the white oxidation around the machine screws where they passed-through the motor flange, to thread into the pump brass-threaded inserts in the plastic body of the pump. When I tried to remove the screws, two came-out easily, one needed a bit of persuasion, and one had the hex head snap-off before it moved. The threaded portion of the SS hex bolt was frozen in the aluminum flange of the motor. I had to destroy part of the motor aluminum flange around the bolt to be able to separate the pump and the motor.
To prevent such corrosion on the new motor/pump, I need to keep a closer eye on the front of the motor seal. I think I’ll disassemble the pump entirely from the motor, and use some Permatex anti-seize on the bolts holding the pump and motor together, including anti-seize on the bolt threads where they pass-through the aluminum motor mount flange holes, which are not threaded, but which built up enough oxidation to 'freeze' the machine screws in those holes. In about four years, I’ll replace that front of the motor seal as preventative maintenance, or sooner if I see any leakage. Hopefully, that will allow the pump/motor to reach double-digits for the duration of service.
This was also the first time I got to use my new (used) Porter Cable portable bandsaw. I got it from a friend who didn't need it, and found 20 14 tpi bimetal quality baandsaw blades on a closeout website on Amazon Prime, $4 apiece. It worked like it was cutting through shaving cream, cutting the 2" pvc pipe.
I went to the local chain pool supply store, their price without the anti-suction sensing device built-in (model 11018) was $1445. That's out-the-door, no installation. The original one was more $, as it had the anti-suction protection, and the pump design, w/multiple speeds, was brand-new on the market. Energy Star-compliant, it runs at different speeds for economy.
Amazon is your friend. Amazon Prime, free shipping, and $925 for the model 11018 pump. I try to buy locally, but a difference of $520, well, hey, we're retired.
Awhile ago we had a pool robot cleaner (Hayward Navigator) line installed (see below for why), and also a pump/filter relocation due to a big whole-home remodel. We added a sitting room on the last bedroom on that side of the house, and also an en-suite luxury bathroom. Another addition was blowing-out the front of the house where the 2 car garage was, to the front setback, to reconfigure the garage, to provide a laundry/pantry, and a new full bath. The idea was to enter the house from the garage, turn right into the bathroom, get cleaned-up there, cross the hallway to the laundry/pantry, throw the clothes into the machine, and emerge clean into the kitchen ("What's for dinner, honey?")
The pool robot cleaner wasn't working very well when it was just plugged-into one of the two pool skimmers. We got a pool service guy to install a new suction line through the sidewall of the pool and to relocate the pump and filter onto a new slab the GC poured beside the pool deck just for it.
The GC did all new electrical service for the pump. He also did a GFCI 120 volt duplex outlet there, which is the end of the new addition, at the en-suite bathroom exterior wall. The new AC is there too, on its own slab.
Back to the defunct pool pump. Three days from order to delivery. I stayed home to wait for it, so no-one could follow the truck and relieve us of our pump. I brought it inside, opened it, and admired the new pump/motor, considerable pride of ownership resulted.
I installed the pump, and when I went to run it, the pump wouldn’t pull a prime. I fussed with it the rest of the day, but it didn’t want to pull the prime, it would shut-off after trying for awhile.
My wife reminded me to “read the directions,” and after reading the priming options, I decided to try setting the “priming sensitivity” from a value on the LCD screen from the factory programmed setting of “1%” to “91%” The lower the # the more-sensitive to sensing if the pump has attained a prime. That did it, and now it pulls a prime fine. I haven’t set-up the time cycles for different speeds, but I probably will tomorrow.
I got a new tool from, horrors! Harbor Freight, a large pair of water pump pliers, w/a curved jaw, for clamping round objects at > 2 points of jaw contact. I think they were $16 not-including the 20% discount, that would be a price of $12.80 before tax. That helped me to work with the unions for the piping to/from the pump. I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the pliers. They were finished smoothly on their sides, the serrations on the jaws looked rugged, and they were comfortable to grip, w/cushioned grips. The ratchet jaws didn’t slip under pressure.
I figure I would have had to pay probably $300 for a pump installation, including fittings and set-up/programming. Since I saved $520 on the pump, and $300 for the install, that’s $820 staying in my pocket.
The pool equipment business where I bought the prior Pentair pump, and to-whom I brought the non-functioning pump for examination said the seal from the front of the motor went bad, allowing water into the motor, causing it to fail. I hadn’t seen the pump leaking from the front of the motor, but when I removed the pump housing, there were signs that it had.
Another thing I encountered when I disassembled the old pump/motor was that the SS hex head screws bolting the motor flange to the pump housing had the white oxidation around the machine screws where they passed-through the motor flange, to thread into the pump brass-threaded inserts in the plastic body of the pump. When I tried to remove the screws, two came-out easily, one needed a bit of persuasion, and one had the hex head snap-off before it moved. The threaded portion of the SS hex bolt was frozen in the aluminum flange of the motor. I had to destroy part of the motor aluminum flange around the bolt to be able to separate the pump and the motor.
To prevent such corrosion on the new motor/pump, I need to keep a closer eye on the front of the motor seal. I think I’ll disassemble the pump entirely from the motor, and use some Permatex anti-seize on the bolts holding the pump and motor together, including anti-seize on the bolt threads where they pass-through the aluminum motor mount flange holes, which are not threaded, but which built up enough oxidation to 'freeze' the machine screws in those holes. In about four years, I’ll replace that front of the motor seal as preventative maintenance, or sooner if I see any leakage. Hopefully, that will allow the pump/motor to reach double-digits for the duration of service.
This was also the first time I got to use my new (used) Porter Cable portable bandsaw. I got it from a friend who didn't need it, and found 20 14 tpi bimetal quality baandsaw blades on a closeout website on Amazon Prime, $4 apiece. It worked like it was cutting through shaving cream, cutting the 2" pvc pipe.
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