Normal Length #3 Phillips
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G1GRANDEUR
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you can get #3 bit insert also.
rossomania
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Checked the Williams and Bahco catalog. A 6 inch (152 mm) blade shaft seems pretty standard for a #3 phillips.
Wamsutta
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They are longer for leverage; or maybe I should say, longer for leverage to get more torque. If you want a shorter #3 screwdriver with a handle, all you have to do is get a 3/8'' drive spin handle in the length you want and then add in a bit socket.
They are longer for leverage; or maybe I should say, longer for leverage to get more torque. If you want a shorter #3 screwdriver with a handle, all you have to do is get a 3/8'' drive spin handle in the length you want and then add in a bit socket.
rlitman
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For #3 Phillips, a bit in one of these handles is my favorite choice:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CRAFTSMAN-...ver-Angled-Grip-Driver-DEU-47473/291095299208
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Here2Learn
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UGH. I thought it was a stubby #3 at first. :-(
I too wish they had P3 and P4 in stubby or short length. I don't work on huge stuff.
I too wish they had P3 and P4 in stubby or short length. I don't work on huge stuff.
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I'vce heard that said before, but I don't see it. A six foot blade doesn't put any more turning force on the screw than a six inch one. A screwdriver's not like a breaker bar - it's not a lever. Making the blade longer doesn't give you any more torque. The best I can say for long screwdriver blades is they give you a bit more reach when access to the fastener is a problem.
https://www.amazon.com/Elora-555020035500-Screwdriver-slotted-Screws/dp/B00TSFGNC2/
I'm not sure how short it really is(see shipping dimensions) but worth a shot.
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dutchgray
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Longer length makes it easier to keep the blade straight as you turn, you have better control
so its not that you can apply any more torque in total, just that the torque can be applied with less risk of damage to the screw.
^^ Is this correct? Asking as I am interested not calling you out. I find myself reaching for a stubby driver with hard to remove screws. Feel like I have more control and less chance of slipping off the screw with a shorter driver. Will have to have a rethink and experiment.
Torque increase from a larger diameter handle not length. Not questioning that.
Torque increase from a larger diameter handle not length. Not questioning that.
WittHay
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My Mac #3 Phillips is a little bit more normal length than my Snap-on Instinct #3 and #4 screwdrivers
Those sizes of screws are usually in fairly tight that you need a impact driver or a wrench on a screwdriver. I have used a 3/8 drive Snap-on handle with various screwdriver bit sockets before
Those sizes of screws are usually in fairly tight that you need a impact driver or a wrench on a screwdriver. I have used a 3/8 drive Snap-on handle with various screwdriver bit sockets before
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MikeF2316
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If you have a shorter screwdriver, movement of the handle a given amount will change the angle between screw and driver a greater amount. For a ridiculous example, say you have a 1" long screwdriver. If you move it 1" from centered, you're now on a 45° angle. If the driver is 10" long and you move it that same 1", then your angle is only 5.7° [arctan (1/10)].
TEKTON 26683 #3 Phillips by 4-Inch Screwdriver https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014US22SA/?tag=atomicindus08-20
kythri
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Wera makes a Stubby #3: https://www.kctoolco.com/wera-008782-stubby-ph-3-x-25mm-phillips-screwdriver/
rlitman
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I think this difference in angle with regards to handle offset is probably the bulk of the difference in why a longer screwdriver is better, but I can see one other related difference.
Torque. Not torque along the axis of the shaft, but torque perpendicular to the axis. Your hand isn't a perfect screwdriver turning machine, and at some point in each turn, you're going to be exerting torque in some direction that makes the tip want to skate off the screw, caused by the leverage of your hand's grip across the handle. The longer shaft adds more mechanical advantage to the screw end, minimizing the slip force from your hand.
It's too bad he hates tri lobe handles. The Tekton 4in is the only one I see. Every other I looked at was around 6in or 150mm. But handles are personal preference. Tekton and Instinct handles are my favorite but everyone is different and handle preference is a deeply personal thing.
dutchgray
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Yes its correct, I hate stubbies unless there is room for a second hand to push it into the screw hard. Going two handed is best though, one to steady and one to turn, depends on the screws as well, our commonly found Pozi drive is much better if in good condition, the screwdriver will somewhat stick in those, Phillips are much worse but I really don't see that many of them.
Mohawk Dave
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It's so f**kin stupid that they make #3 and #4 so long. Just because it's a bigger screw doesn't mean I'm further away. I cut my Snappys down and then TIG weld them back together. Same thing with the slotted screwdrivers.
For the life of me I can't understand why manufacturers do this still. Shirley people have complained over the decades
For the life of me I can't understand why manufacturers do this still. Shirley people have complained over the decades
MikeinNorthWales
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I have complained...
And don't call me Shirley
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Wamsutta
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I politely disagree. It gives me room to get my elbow up off the table so I can put my shoulder into it.
Parrothead
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I am looking for a #3 Phillips screwdriver that isn't a foot long and would be comparable to my #2 100mm or ~4inches. Does anyone make such a thing besides Tekton? (I don't care for Tekton's handles). Thanks
This is easy...
Buy the Tekton....remove handle and put on one you like.
Go search for the screwdriver handle thread for examples of people putting screwdriver handles on ratchets and how to pull the blade. Simple...Same principal here. It's Garage Journal, if they don't sell what we like...make it!
Parrothead
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I also politely disagree.
As someone who mounted ski bindings professionally, I can assure you that a #3 pozidriv has more torque than a stubby for the exact reason listed above.
*This was mostly an issue removing screws as they were glued into the ski.
Not trying to be argumentative but the length of the shank provides no mechanical advantage in terms of torque. Torque is force applied times the distance from the axis so the thickness of the screwdriver handle makes a difference but not the length of the shank.
The length of the shank may put your arm in a position to apply more force so I certainly agree with that.
The reason I can’t seem to get any torque on a stubby is usually the short handle!
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plinker
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Snap-on used to have interchangeable blades to go with their ratcheting screwdrivers, No 1,2, 3 phillips, 3 sizes of flats and a torx set (T10 to 30). All blades were the same length, about 4-1/2 to 5", I think.
I use a short bit holding shank as often as possible with a full size handle, never had a problem with torque or lack of. If I want more torque, the soft grip handle will allow more then the hard handle, The T-handle would beat either.
I use a short bit holding shank as often as possible with a full size handle, never had a problem with torque or lack of. If I want more torque, the soft grip handle will allow more then the hard handle, The T-handle would beat either.
Wera Vario shafts are all the same length at about 4" (the 175mm length given in specs includes the part that goes into the handle). Total length with handle is about 8". There is a #3 PH available. They are double ended. The #3 Ph is available in combo with a #2 Ph, a slotted or Pz.
Though it is a removable shaft these are quite solid and pretty much like using a "regular" single size screwdriver. Plus the shaft is not oversize in diameter. Only thing is there is only one size handle. I would call it a handle size that is in between that for a #1 and #2 Ph. So it is a little under size for a #3. But the grip is excellent.
This is probably the closest that you will find to a regular single size screwdriver in a #3 Phillips that is not a 6" shaft.
Seth
Though it is a removable shaft these are quite solid and pretty much like using a "regular" single size screwdriver. Plus the shaft is not oversize in diameter. Only thing is there is only one size handle. I would call it a handle size that is in between that for a #1 and #2 Ph. So it is a little under size for a #3. But the grip is excellent.
This is probably the closest that you will find to a regular single size screwdriver in a #3 Phillips that is not a 6" shaft.
Seth
Wamsutta
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Not trying to be argumentative but the length of the shank provides no mechanical advantage in terms of torque. Torque is force applied times the distance from the axis so the thickness of the screwdriver handle makes a difference but not the length of the shank.
The length of the shank may put your arm in a position to apply more force so I certainly agree with that.
The reason I can’t seem to get any torque on a stubby is usually the short handle!
That's exactly it right there. Try driving 3 inch Phillips drywall screws into a wood fence by hand; you'll wish you had a long screwdriver.