The VISES of Garage Journal

[trijeff]

Hey Joe Striper, quit slacking and post it already!

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[bagged89s10]

Bagged, that may say Bonney, Hercules, but it looks like a clone of an early Parker #20.---Right down to the front retainer clip.---All it's lacking is Parker on the horseshoe.---I believe that it was an understood thing, that everybody copied everybody's patterns back in the day.---Therefore nobody could call anybody out for it, cause everyone was guilty of it.---Oh there were probably plenty of patent infringement suits, but you can look at all the old vintage vises and tell there was a lot of cloning going on with just a tweak or two.

I agree but the jaw insert was the mystery. I’m glad I now know that Bonney tweaked the design there.


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[joe.striper]

OK boys and girls here we go. 10" jaws , 455 lb bench vise. The owner allowed me to post these pics

 

[MayerMR]

OK boys and girls here we go. 10" jaws , 455 lb bench vise. The owner allowed me to post these pics

Damn...

 

[Fordriver6]

OK boys and girls here we go. 10" jaws , 455 lb bench vise. The owner allowed me to post these pics

That's just INSANE!!!!

 

[XJSuperman]

Can I get that on a swivel? Hahaha

 

[Muggzy]

Can anyone I'd this Wilton? Seller is difficult to communicate with and I might be able to see it tomorrow evening.

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[MayerMR]

Can anyone I'd this Wilton? Seller is difficult to communicate with and I might be able to see it tomorrow evening.

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Looks like a '50s-'60s era 3.5"-4" model?

 

[mgmlvks]

OK boys and girls here we go

Holy Mother of God - That is INSANE!

 

[Outlawmws]

Any one seen one like this? Brand?
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Allmatic

Bingo! Thanks B100!

Probably hard to attract attention from Joe's monster 10" pic, but here goes:

Keven and Carla, thanks for the tries, and I have some responses for you.

The company is still in business, but I'm not sure if the company is Dapra and the line is AllMatic, or if Dapra is a re seller. It was HARD to find any price sheets but this thing retailed for $2361 as of a year old price list!

AllMatic HD 125(MM - 5") - they also made a 100 (4") and a 160. 6.3")

Kevin, the splines are really just a grip and it does have a a mechanical "pressure magnifier" and it somehow has presets for the amount of pressure it can make.

It's missing the crank handle, (Hex drive - available as parts) but truthfully its not needed! I used the added mechanical "secondary" with an added twist of the wrist and went from Snug, to this easily:

The pics are deceiving, but the crush was 1/8" overall... I was impressed as it was effortless!

On the Angle Lock, I'm not sure, as they don't seem to have a lot of descriptive details (maybe if I find a manual?)


Kevin you asked about mounting - it has two mounting slots for bolts centered, one at each end and it has 20mm slots for guide bars. (my Clausing has 1/2" slots so I'll want to find/make a pair of 20mm-.500 guides).

Carla - Based on the 100/125/160 (mm) model numbers and the fact that the guide bar slots are 20mm, I'd have to say this vise is technically metric, , even though made in the US...

The second cross slot won't do me any good, as the mill table is only 6" that way, so not an option.

Other end view showing the mounting bolt pocket:

Side view showing one of the two pins (the other is hidden by the D jaw), and the third position that I believe may allow a 2X jaw width.
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The threaded holes in the static jaw puzzle me. its from the factory and I had a thought it might be to convert it to a huge angle vise, but the only other mount option I found was a swivel base.

Trying to find any manuals or detailed use documentation now here are a couple of the web pages I found:

https://www.dapra.com/workholding/allmatic/HD/HD.html

Parts catalog:

https://www.dapra.com/workholding/allmatic/HD/ALLMATIC-HD.pdf

Bingo on the Use manual!

http://www.allmatic.de/allmatic/web.nsf/gfx/Bedienungsanleitung_2012_web.pdf/$file/Bedienungsanleitung_2012_web.pdf

Also in German so maybe ts German made? More research...

It should clean up pretty nice, and I think for a $50 initial investment, plus a 3 hour round trip, and a half tank of gas, and a $5 toll I did OK!

 

[Snap-On]

Well, I'm new here. Love old tools, especially vintage wrenches, ratchets, and precision instruments. In preparation for a potential move, I've been sifting through the shop trying to mentally prepare for self inflicted chaos. I dragged a couple vises out from the dark, ones I never paid much attention except to use haplessly. There was never much interest in vises so I have little historical or value knowledge. After about 10 seconds of "should I donate or should I research", I chose the latter. Glad I did, as it looks like the one attached has some value.

Here is what I think I know:
-Wilton Bullet Vise: mid '40s
-Model #4
-Jaws measure 4 x 1/2 x 5/8 inches.
-Underside of swivel base has two numbers: 134 and 2
-Spindle is smooth
-The slide rail is stamped 10-45. I've seen conflicting info on what this date means.
-I dont think its a repaint, but no reference to confirm. This was my grandfathers, who brought it home from Rockwell International when he retired (Built the B-1B Lancer) He was not known to refurbish anything but furniture and guns. And you don't paint guns.
-I cant find any other numbers on the body, base, or underbelly.

Can someone help? Try not to get me too interested, I dont have the time

 

[Strouty]

This is a PSA about a cool thing that the GJ has going, thought people in here might be interested. It is a spring cleaning tool swap, you can read about it in this thread.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=392056

 

[twertsy]

Twertsy requested a few pic:s of the Fisher Norris vises, any one have any pic;s to share. I know Joe, Demoman and Vises have some but I did not find any pic;s saved on my computer. Twertsy is doing a great service and any way we can help is a good thing.

Still nuttin'. I thought these guys were collectors...................seems like if it's not Wilton or Reed, it's not applicable.

 

[454ragtop]

Nice milling machine vise Outlaw, never saw one like that before. The threaded hole in the static is for a stop, similar to this http://s3.cnccookbook.com/MTMillKurtViseStop.htm

 

[Maui]

I was just looking through the 1936 Atlas catalog and stumbled across something I've never seen before: machinist bench vises with the Atlas name on them. If you download the catalog in this link

http://www.vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=17750

you can see them on page 40. I tried posting the photos here, but can't seem to get the picture size down under 229 kb, which is too big to upload onto this website. Does anyone here have one of these Atlas vises? If you do, please post a photo or two!

Maui

 

[va.grouseman]

Twerst, I'm not sure what you're asking for, I suppose you want pics from personal ownership, but if it's just pics you want, just type in Fisher Norris Vise in the Google search bar and you get 27 pics of the Fisher Blacksmith Chain Vise.---Just copy the URL.

 

[Fierljeppen]

I was just looking through the 1936 Atlas catalog and stumbled across something I've never seen before: machinist bench vises with the Atlas name on them. If you download the catalog in this link

http://www.vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=17750

you can see them on page 40. I tried posting the photos here, but can't seem to get the picture size down under 229 kb, which is too big to upload onto this website. Does anyone here have one of these Atlas vises? If you do, please post a photo or two!

Maui

Interesting, I've never seen one either. Maybe a Reed or Rock Island?

 

[1NRO]

incredible Any more info? Newly purchased? In use?

OK boys and girls here we go. 10" jaws , 455 lb bench vise. The owner allowed me to post these pics

 

[gman007]

Well, I'm new here. Love old tools, especially vintage wrenches, ratchets, and precision instruments. In preparation for a potential move, I've been sifting through the shop trying to mentally prepare for self inflicted chaos. I dragged a couple vises out from the dark, ones I never paid much attention except to use haplessly. There was never much interest in vises so I have little historical or value knowledge. After about 10 seconds of "should I donate or should I research", I chose the latter. Glad I did, as it looks like the one attached has some value.

Here is what I think I know:
-Wilton Bullet Vise: mid '40s
-Model #4
-Jaws measure 4 x 1/2 x 5/8 inches.
-Underside of swivel base has two numbers: 134 and 2
-Spindle is smooth
-The slide rail is stamped 10-45. I've seen conflicting info on what this date means.
-I dont think its a repaint, but no reference to confirm. This was my grandfathers, who brought it home from Rockwell International when he retired (Built the B-1B Lancer) He was not known to refurbish anything but furniture and guns. And you don't paint guns.
-I cant find any other numbers on the body, base, or underbelly.

Can someone help? Try not to get me too interested, I dont have the time

Snap-On That is a very nice vise (and yes I am biased as I have a number 3 patent pending ). It is one the earliest Wilton bullets models with the patent pending inscription and which were manufactured from around 1942-1945. I believe the numbers other than the date number on the key are all part numbers.

I do not think there is 100% definitive idea of the original color but there was some consensuses that might have been some kind of gray/light green. Your vise might or might not have original paint because while I think there are baby Wilton's with painted anvils, I am not sure of some bigger bullets also had painted anvils. I am also wondering about the painted swivel acorn nuts, as painting a swivel nut that needs to be tightened and loosened using a wrench and as a result have its paint scratched does not make much sense.

Overall you seem to pretty much know all the important information about this vise, so is there some other information that you are looking for?

 

[Shiftless]

If you are worried about getting too involved with old vises because you don’t have enough spare time, I’m afraid you’ve come to the WRONG place.

Before you fall any further into the rabbit hole, I suggest selling that vise to one of us and get on with your life as you used to know it.

But since it was your grandfather’s vise, maybe you should hold on to it.
You have been warned!

 

[twertsy]

Twerst, I'm not sure what you're asking for, I suppose you want pics from personal ownership, but if it's just pics you want, just type in Fisher Norris Vise in the Google search bar and you get 27 pics of the Fisher Blacksmith Chain Vise.---Just copy the URL.

I have those pics VA, I'm looking for a vise branded "Fisher-Brooks," from what I can tell, only made from about 1909-1911.

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[va.grouseman]

I have those pics VA, I'm looking for a vise branded "Fisher-Brooks," from what I can tell, only made from about 1909-1911.

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Gotcha, but can't help you.

 

[va.grouseman]

If you are worried about getting too involved with old vises because you don’t have enough spare time, I’m afraid you’ve come to the WRONG place.

Before you fall any further into the rabbit hole, I suggest selling that vise to one of us and get on with your life as you used to know it.

But since it was your grandfather’s vise, maybe you should hold on to it.
You have been warned!

It's too late for him Shift, he just don't know it yet.

 

[gman007]

It's too late for him Shift, he just don't know it yet.

Like a lamb walking into wolf’s den

 

[chrisnazzy]

I picked up a second Stanley SW 741. This one is complete and in near perfect condition. It only has the 1-28-08 patent date so I'm going to assume manufactured between then and the 1915 patent date that appears on many of these as well

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[MayerMR]

If you are worried about getting too involved with old vises because you don’t have enough spare time, I’m afraid you’ve come to the WRONG place.

Before you fall any further into the rabbit hole, I suggest selling that vise to one of us and get on with your life as you used to know it.

But since it was your grandfather’s vise, maybe you should hold on to it.
You have been warned!

It's too late for him Shift, he just don't know it yet.

Like a lamb walking into wolf’s den

6 months ago I had one 4" Simplex vise that I had been happily using for 10 years...now I probably have 10 vises, only one that I use.

Hello, my name is Matt, and I have a problem...

Speaking of which, my Walker-Turner clamp on vise came in the mail today. I'll have to be making a trip back to the resident "dealer" aka Dr. Scott, to get a new handle fashioned.

 

[CRSINMICH]

chris: Stanley Rule and Level and Stanley Works were two separate companies until they merged in 1920. At that time the new company started using the sweetheart logo. It was used until about 1934. As with all things Stanley, those dates are not exactly firm. I did see one note that Stanley Works had used the heart with initials SW for a couple of years before the merger and of course Stanley continued to sell old stock after the Sweetheart logo was discontinued. There is really nothing special about Sweethearts but that distinctive logo does help in determining a date range for the tool. It's a nice vise so congrats to you.

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by MayerMR.

Hello, my name is Matt, and I have a problem...
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You'll get used to it.

 

[Fordriver6]

Did a quick and dirty resto on that Morgan I picked up Saturday night. I had almost settled on yellow with black on the lettering and the star when I remembered that the old military trucks had a white star. So I picked up the closest thing Home Depot had to OD Green and put two coats of primer and three coats of Deep Forest Green by Rust-Oleum.

 

[va.grouseman]

Nice looking Morgan there Ford.---Oh, but it needs a base.---Without a base it's going to be


Mine just wasn't happy until I got it a swivel base to play with.

 

[Outlawmws]

Ford! I like it!

 

[gman007]

Did a quick and dirty resto on that Morgan I picked up Saturday night. I had almost settled on yellow with black on the lettering and the star when I remembered that the old military trucks had a white star. So I picked up the closest thing Home Depot had to OD Green and put two coats of primer and three coats of Deep Forest Green by Rust-Oleum.

Ford I really like your choice of OD green and white star and nice restoration job

 

[Outlawmws]

So coming home from a estate sale (where I passed in 2 vises) I see this on the back of a truck with a utility bed in it. We all see vises on trucks, and usually they are Chicom or Wilton. right?

I'm like when I see THIS:

 

[KMScott]

Don'y get much rain in California hu Outlaw. Vises handle the weather here pretty good even in the Winter sitting on the back of trucks.

 

[Maui]

Funny, I just sold a Prentiss No. 21 to a local farmer for $100.

 

[twertsy]

Did a quick and dirty resto on that Morgan I picked up Saturday night. I had almost settled on yellow with black on the lettering and the star when I remembered that the old military trucks had a white star. So I picked up the closest thing Home Depot had to OD Green and put two coats of primer and three coats of Deep Forest Green by Rust-Oleum.

I think I want my vise back.....

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[MayerMR]

Previously posted by MayerMR.

Hello, my name is Matt, and I have a problem...
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You'll get used to it.

Well here's photos of my latest "hit". Small Walker-Turner clamp-on vise. I love me some Walker-Turner

Mr. Scott is gonna hear me knockin' on his door soon for a replacement handle though! haha

 

[LesserSon]

So I picked up the closest thing Home Depot had to OD Green and put two coats of primer and three coats of Deep Forest Green by Rust-Oleum.

That looks great! I’ve been considering Rustoleum 2X greens like sage and oregano. I’ll have to take another look at deep forest.

 

[Fordriver6]

I think I want my vise back.....

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That was you?!?! I had no idea I bought that vise from you...

 

[Fordriver6]

That looks great! I’ve been considering Rustoleum 2X greens like sage and oregano. I’ll have to take another look at deep forest.

It's in the cans labeled "Camouflage", not the 2X primer and paint mix.