The VISES of Garage Journal
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chrisnazzy
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Thanks tx! Can't wait to see how your 214 came out once it's cured.
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dutchgray
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Nice.They're big buggers in the flesh, aren't they.
Lot of metal in it, a lot more than the 4" I already have, its a lot less rusted than my other one as well. Need to get a wire wheel over it and some linseed oil on it.
Perhaps this will also be considered negative, but for my personal taste I enjoy the posts relating to original advertising, restoring and repainting the vise in the ORIGINAL color (if need be). I think this section deals a little too much with people bragging about good deals they got. Doesn't bother me that I paid too much for my high quality American made vises. More interested in history and learning about the vises themselves.
Newer Wilton C0 in NE SF Bay Area - CL $185.
I'd be chasing after this myself but I already have 2 C1's.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/d/vintage-wilton-bullet-beach/6621307989.html
No affiliation yada yada...
I'd be chasing after this myself but I already have 2 C1's.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/d/vintage-wilton-bullet-beach/6621307989.html
No affiliation yada yada...
I'm sorry, but you need to have a minimum of 5 posts before you can request that a thread with 64,000 posts and almost 10 million views be changed to comport with your personal "taste."
Josh C
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RB- I see your a junior member as am I. Good day to you sir. I felt a need to chime in regarding your post regarding your likes and dislikes of this forum and immediately I’m thinking about a lesson my grandmother Francis Neukirch taught me at the age of four. After some off the cuff comment had come from my young, naive mouth regarding one of my older cousins she explained that “Everyone has their own opinion about matters, as they should. But remember Joshua, if you don’t have anything nice to say then you shouldn’t say anything at all”. I think it’s something to try to carry with you throughout life. Now I’m not saying your statements were mean and nasty, not at all. They just made me think “Jeez, that’s too bad that RB gets worked up when he decides to read stuff that doesn’t interest him or that pertains to subject he doesn’t agree with “ I have to say i thoroughly enjoy hearing the price that someone paid as it gives me a reference to use, whether I agree with their purchase or price they paid or not. From the incredible repair work that some members do (speaking of the work I’ve seen as of late from KScott and others) or the color someone chooses for for their vise I feel privileged that I’m able to experience some of their journeys with them through the internet. I’m can at times try to stay authentic and original with tools, etc and then at times I feel just getting something usable again, regardless of color or repair authenticity is goal enough, as life is way to short. Anyway, hopefully I haven’t irritated you too much, and I am putting my soap box away. Josh C in southwest Virginia.
Ps- I shall attempt to post a picture of the Reed 206 R that I acquired from Craigslist about five months ago that I’ve finally gotten put back into use. It’s in great shap (other than a scared up slide which is just cosmetic and always makes me wonder what exactly the Nand W Railroad employee had for a job ) and has beautiful original paint on it
Ps- I shall attempt to post a picture of the Reed 206 R that I acquired from Craigslist about five months ago that I’ve finally gotten put back into use. It’s in great shap (other than a scared up slide which is just cosmetic and always makes me wonder what exactly the Nand W Railroad employee had for a job ) and has beautiful original paint on it
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I'm sorry, but you need to have a minimum of 5 posts before you can request that a thread with 64,000 posts and almost 10 million views be changed to comport with your personal "taste."
Josh C
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Apologies to all for such a long post. Not sure what got into me. I’m hoping the pictures of one of my vises are going to be attached when I post this. If not then I’m not sure how. Not so savvy with such things. Well, guess we shall see
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That Reed looks very, very well done. Clean lines and crisp lettering. I generally have a "factory original" kind of taste, but I actually really like that shade of yellow and it fits nicely.
gman007
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RB- I see your a junior member as am I. Good day to you sir. I felt a need to chime in regarding your post regarding your likes and dislikes of this forum and immediately I’m thinking about a lesson my grandmother Francis Neukirch taught me at the age of four. After some off the cuff comment had come from my young, naive mouth regarding one of my older cousins she explained that “Everyone has their own opinion about matters, as they should. But remember Joshua, if you don’t have anything nice to say then you shouldn’t say anything at all”. I think it’s something to try to carry with you throughout life. Now I’m not saying your statements were mean and nasty, not at all. They just made me think “Jeez, that’s too bad that RB gets worked up when he decides to read stuff that doesn’t interest him or that pertains to subject he doesn’t agree with “ I have to say i thoroughly enjoy hearing the price that someone paid as it gives me a reference to use, whether I agree with their purchase or price they paid or not. From the incredible repair work that some members do (speaking of the work I’ve seen as of late from KScott and others) or the color someone chooses for for their vise I feel privileged that I’m able to experience some of their journeys with them through the internet. I’m can at times try to stay authentic and original with tools, etc and then at times I feel just getting something usable again, regardless of color or repair authenticity is goal enough, as life is way to short. Anyway, hopefully I haven’t irritated you too much, and I am putting my soap box away. Josh C in southwest Virginia.
Ps- I shall attempt to post a picture of the Reed 206 R that I acquired from Craigslist about five months ago that I’ve finally gotten put back into use. It’s in great shap (other than a scared up slide which is just cosmetic and always makes me wonder what exactly the Nand W Railroad employee had for a job ) and has beautiful original paint on it
Well Said!
gman007
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Josh
Your post was excellent and to the point.
Great job on the restore and that is one heck of a nice and clean Reed
va.grouseman
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Josh not only did you do a really nice job on that Reed, but you had the very best brand of vise to work with.---Now that's just my personal opinion fellows.---But on top of that, that unit is in real good shape from what the pics show, and a 206R ain't no slouch.---Nice to see fine old tools get respect.
KMScott
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Josh, I like your work. Always wanted a yellow vise. Like VA mentioned, can't get a better vise then that one. Nice job.
Also enjoyed your post on a message to the newbie who thinks all vises should be painted black and grey.
chrisnazzy, you get a you **** award for that Reed you picked up. I love Reeds.
Also enjoyed your post on a message to the newbie who thinks all vises should be painted black and grey.
chrisnazzy, you get a you **** award for that Reed you picked up. I love Reeds.
Johnny_V
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Josh,
Your "soapbox " post was well written and hopefully well received.
Just absolutely love your color scheme on the Reed, wish I could find one as nice as yours.
Your "soapbox " post was well written and hopefully well received.
Just absolutely love your color scheme on the Reed, wish I could find one as nice as yours.
Josh C
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Gerard, 007, Grouseman and KScott- Wow, thank you all for the compliments on the Reed. I honestly was apprehensive about posting a picture as those aren’t REALLY factory colors and was not sure folks would appreciate how far I deviated from them. I really wrestled for quite some time as to the scheme but I really was surprised when I was hunting for ideas and checking all over the web that there are very few vises that I saw where the paint was bright/loud and so that pushed me in the direction you saw. The green I used really wasn’t what I wanted as I went to high school with a fellow I was good friends with who’s nickname was “Joe Cuda” and now that lime green that was on his car woke you up as I’m sure many of you remember the extreme colors being used back then.
And then there’s the vise itself. Didn’t know Reeds until this one but I already was addicted to old metal when it came up. I scoured this site and Ebay to get caught up and learn a little before I even called about it. The $175 price tag was a bit more than I thought I would spend, until I spoke to it’s own at the time. When I asked how long he had owned it he said when his father had retired from Norfolk and Western RR they gave him the vise as he had used it since new working for them and the son said ever since he was little he remembered the vise in the shop his dad had at home. When we went to load it in my truck (I had no idea it weighed 148lb at the time) he immediately barked at me when he thought I was going for the handle to carry it as he had strong memories of the pinches it had given his hands as a child. So, needless to say I couldn’t ask him to lower the price, and told him why and that I wanted to homer it’s value and the work his father had done with it. It even came with 3/4” bolts (had to buy some bigger drill bits just to mount it!) with 1 1/8 heads to install AND the thick 3/32”+ copper jaw covers that had been made at the rail yard The vise is a simple yet oh so brilliantly designed vise, I feel fortunate to have use of it for now.
Apologies again for the rambling, I hope that you can understand my swooning a little. If you own a Reed, you do. Soon I will tell the story of the Craftsman 10” woodworking vise that is pictured since I did buy it from a Garage Journel member accidentally
And then there’s the vise itself. Didn’t know Reeds until this one but I already was addicted to old metal when it came up. I scoured this site and Ebay to get caught up and learn a little before I even called about it. The $175 price tag was a bit more than I thought I would spend, until I spoke to it’s own at the time. When I asked how long he had owned it he said when his father had retired from Norfolk and Western RR they gave him the vise as he had used it since new working for them and the son said ever since he was little he remembered the vise in the shop his dad had at home. When we went to load it in my truck (I had no idea it weighed 148lb at the time) he immediately barked at me when he thought I was going for the handle to carry it as he had strong memories of the pinches it had given his hands as a child. So, needless to say I couldn’t ask him to lower the price, and told him why and that I wanted to homer it’s value and the work his father had done with it. It even came with 3/4” bolts (had to buy some bigger drill bits just to mount it!) with 1 1/8 heads to install AND the thick 3/32”+ copper jaw covers that had been made at the rail yard The vise is a simple yet oh so brilliantly designed vise, I feel fortunate to have use of it for now.
Apologies again for the rambling, I hope that you can understand my swooning a little. If you own a Reed, you do. Soon I will tell the story of the Craftsman 10” woodworking vise that is pictured since I did buy it from a Garage Journel member accidentally
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Outlawmws
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RB, if you start at page one and read the entire thread, you will find that just about everything has been discussed in this thread. It should only take maybe six months or so...
Its the Vise thread, not the "Vise history" thread or the "Vise Advertising" thread. Original, custom, modified, painted team colors, just about anything goes.
Other Vise threads have also branched off for repairs, and for specifics like Wilton and its date coding. Heck I started one for the catalog pages of Sears/Craftsman/branded vises as for a while the topic was non-stop and I got tired of looking them up all the time.
As to the "bragging"; I don't see it that way. we are vise enthusiasts, and get enthusiastic about new to us vises.
Outlawmws
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Nice job cleaning up that Parker OB! Every time I see one spiffed up I want to go do mine...
Randall3rd
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oldldh
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Boy, I hate to do this...
But...
Josh, my boy...
YA DUN GUD, BUBBA!!!
For both your post...
And...
Your vise...
(I almost, but not quite, gave away two YDGB's, but sanity prevailed...)
But...
Josh, my boy...
YA DUN GUD, BUBBA!!!
For both your post...
And...
Your vise...
(I almost, but not quite, gave away two YDGB's, but sanity prevailed...)
MayerMR
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Shiftless
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KMScott
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Yea, they feel good when ya get one. Oldie gave me one or two and that is when you know you made it.
Shift, that bear looks to be in great shape. Like new.
Josh C
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Oldoneboot-Fantastic cleanup on the Parker vise , it looked as though it probably needed a bit of elbow grease to reach the paint stage. Speaking of, it looks real nice as well. Yeah I agree about the attraction of the vise. The lines that wrap the sides as well as the numbers (the 1/2 symbol has class) really pull me to it. Kinda Art Deco as my visual definition goes. Ok, now let’s see some more of your work/vises
Found it interesting that people on here felt attacked and thought I was trying to change the thread entirely. I just thought it was worth mentioning that I especially like the history and information on the original colors as I find that more historically accurate. Even though I am interested in the original colors they came in, I realize from reading on here that most of you are not interested in that. Sorry, did not mean to offend so many people.
RB- I see your a junior member as am I. Good day to you sir. I felt a need to chime in regarding your post regarding your likes and dislikes of this forum and immediately I’m thinking about a lesson my grandmother Francis Neukirch taught me at the age of four. After some off the cuff comment had come from my young, naive mouth regarding one of my older cousins she explained that “Everyone has their own opinion about matters, as they should. But remember Joshua, if you don’t have anything nice to say then you shouldn’t say anything at all”. I think it’s something to try to carry with you throughout life. Now I’m not saying your statements were mean and nasty, not at all. They just made me think “Jeez, that’s too bad that RB gets worked up when he decides to read stuff that doesn’t interest him or that pertains to subject he doesn’t agree with “ I have to say i thoroughly enjoy hearing the price that someone paid as it gives me a reference to use, whether I agree with their purchase or price they paid or not. From the incredible repair work that some members do (speaking of the work I’ve seen as of late from KScott and others) or the color someone chooses for for their vise I feel privileged that I’m able to experience some of their journeys with them through the internet. I’m can at times try to stay authentic and original with tools, etc and then at times I feel just getting something usable again, regardless of color or repair authenticity is goal enough, as life is way to short. Anyway, hopefully I haven’t irritated you too much, and I am putting my soap box away. Josh C in southwest Virginia.
Ps- I shall attempt to post a picture of the Reed 206 R that I acquired from Craigslist about five months ago that I’ve finally gotten put back into use. It’s in great shap (other than a scared up slide which is just cosmetic and always makes me wonder what exactly the Nand W Railroad employee had for a job ) and has beautiful original paint on it
It may not sound like it to you from my original post, but I just have a great interest in the older American made vises. For me they are wonderful and I enjoy the history and pride that went into making them. I was not upset or worked up as you alluded to, just my opinion. From my limited exposure to ebay it seems to me that the original paint/look does seem to bring more money so that is where I am coming from. I have read and run into several vise enthusiasts that are upgrading rather than keeping every vise they can locate (when they find a better vise they sell the lesser). So to a "newbie", it still seems to me that if you ever think you might sell a vise, you are limiting the market of those that would buy it, by changing the color. Whether this is right or "correct" is not a matter of opinion, if they do they sell easier in the original color/condition they do, if they don't they don't. I actually use the vises I own, but do not think it is wrong for someone to collect them - anyone with more than a couple of vises is a collector whether we want to admit it or not. That is just me, what I like. No one says you have to agree with me or do it my way? I for one, do respect others opinions and their right to voice those - I often learn from others and am not as close minded as several have alluded to. Maybe you are right and perhaps I am being selfish? A couple of times I have seen repainted vises for sale that I myself would have bought if they were not done in a custom color. That is just me, each person should make up their own mind. From a historical perspective, I still think it is important to document the time period, types and colors the earlier rarer vises were made in.
As far as the person who said all the information is already in the previous posts and I should read them all. I have read a great deal of the early ones and I actually enjoy those so maybe I was spoiled by the excitement and enthusiasm of new finds and history in the earlier days of the postings. I like the idea of collectors and enthusiasts expanding on the previous knowledge.
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RB, if you start at page one and read the entire thread, you will find that just about everything has been discussed in this thread. It should only take maybe six months or so...
Its the Vise thread, not the "Vise history" thread or the "Vise Advertising" thread. Original, custom, modified, painted team colors, just about anything goes.
Other Vise threads have also branched off for repairs, and for specifics like Wilton and its date coding. Heck I started one for the catalog pages of Sears/Craftsman/branded vises as for a while the topic was non-stop and I got tired of looking them up all the time.
As to the "bragging"; I don't see it that way. we are vise enthusiasts, and get enthusiastic about new to us vises.
Well said Outlaw.
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First time I've seen one of these style Parker vises. Great art deco look and nice paint job.
I really like the Parker "Deco" look . My favorite design style is "Streamlined Art Deco", as used in the "1939 New York Worlds Fair". I'm pretty new to the vise world. Are there any very "streamlined" vise designs out there? I'd like to find some.
twertsy
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That sounds great. If you're into the history of vises, you should check out and contribute if possible to my Vise History Thread on very very early American vise makers: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=387740
va.grouseman
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Previously posted by Jaxpc.
Are there any very "streamlined" vise designs out there? I'd like to find some.
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Hard to read, but says ("Precision Built Streamliner").---Another one on page 603.
Are there any very "streamlined" vise designs out there? I'd like to find some.
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Hard to read, but says ("Precision Built Streamliner").---Another one on page 603.
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gman007
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VA Very impressive vises! As I have stated in the past you are the MAN with many novel and neat vises
I appreciated the comment reminding me that "anything goes on this site". That is fine, I understand and respect that. I am just someone who enjoys the history more than people telling each other not to pay more than a certain price for a vise. I realize BOTH CAN BE HELPFUL, although once again in MY OPINION, it is hard to pay too much for a vintage vise if you actually plan to use it - as the quality of SOME modern vises seems to have diminished over the years and that makes the older better make pieces SPECIAL TO ME. So "anything goes" on this site other than different opinions?
Again, it was never my intention to stir up people. If anyone is interested, I recently bought an Emmert machinist vise 4A from a lady whose father in his 90's passed away. He had used it all his life very gently. It is in very nice original condition, even has the two small triangle shaped brackets with it that go on the round post sections. I got a horrible deal on it paying twice what one brought on ebay not to long ago. I just wanted it that bad and I enjoyed being $$$ stupid in this situation, I simply love that vise. THERE IS CURRENTLY ONE OF THESE ON EBAY that perhaps needs some repair - if the new owner needs any measurements to repair it please let me know.
gman007
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Jaxpc
As far as "Streamlined Art Deco" goes, in addition to the nice Parker posted by Oneoldboot and the impressive vises posted by VA , here is another example, a Wilton Shop King.
As for just purely "streamlined" vises, IMO bullet type vises such as Wilton and Bugatti vises are among the streamlined vises.
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drivesitfar
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RB & Josh: welcome to GJ and for new members you have the right attitude to spread good words cause their are plenty of threads and sites where the trolls and negative jerks want to spread their negativity. for one thing I'd suggest you post more and get to know a lot of the good members here and another thing is you can't talk about vises you own without posting pictures so if you have the time to please post pictures cause we all like vises and tools.
ALL: I was a member here for almost 2 years before I ventured into FREE PARKING and some members still don't go in there to read and post. it was sort of like being at a bar at 1am arguing and solving all the worlds problems then doing the same thing the next night.
more than often I found out (except for the TROLLS) it was health related (lack of sleep, family or marriage or woman issues, and mostly health so i started a WEIGHT LOSS THREAD that turned into a GET HEALTHY thread to try and change the MOOD in there. it's still not great, but it's a work in progress.
spreading good words and putting smiles on others faces goes a long way so why spread your negativity is my thinking. I really don't enjoy talking to some people that always have issues and if it's not personal they find something they read about or heard about to talk negative about.
i've been moving out of my shop/storage and haven't bought many vises lately, but i'm finding more than a few that I didn't know I owned which is like digging around at an estate or garage sale and not having to pay for your finds. I moved my 7x3 steel bench out of my shop yesterday (yep I was the fork lift) and got it home on a Uhaul trailer into my garage and it should hold one or two good vises. I did have 4 little dollies one of my clients used to move his Model A around on to move the bench a little ways, but the floor was uneven so not a big help there.
hope you all have a great day and keep posting those pictures of the vises you talk about and if you are having issues posting pictures just ask and we'll help.
cheers
ALL: I was a member here for almost 2 years before I ventured into FREE PARKING and some members still don't go in there to read and post. it was sort of like being at a bar at 1am arguing and solving all the worlds problems then doing the same thing the next night.
more than often I found out (except for the TROLLS) it was health related (lack of sleep, family or marriage or woman issues, and mostly health so i started a WEIGHT LOSS THREAD that turned into a GET HEALTHY thread to try and change the MOOD in there. it's still not great, but it's a work in progress.
spreading good words and putting smiles on others faces goes a long way so why spread your negativity is my thinking. I really don't enjoy talking to some people that always have issues and if it's not personal they find something they read about or heard about to talk negative about.
i've been moving out of my shop/storage and haven't bought many vises lately, but i'm finding more than a few that I didn't know I owned which is like digging around at an estate or garage sale and not having to pay for your finds. I moved my 7x3 steel bench out of my shop yesterday (yep I was the fork lift) and got it home on a Uhaul trailer into my garage and it should hold one or two good vises. I did have 4 little dollies one of my clients used to move his Model A around on to move the bench a little ways, but the floor was uneven so not a big help there.
hope you all have a great day and keep posting those pictures of the vises you talk about and if you are having issues posting pictures just ask and we'll help.
cheers
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Fretters
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There are many different opinions in this thread.
You'll note that many rarely, if ever, mention prices. Finishing opinions differ greatly too. Even one person can greatly vary their finish choice, dependant upon the piece in question. I know I can vary from barely doing any work bar cleaning, through to a full strip, derust & paint. The piece itself usually dictates the method.gman007
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RB Many of us here probably at some point have been burned by a bad deal or two. I guess it is part of the education and hopefully we are better deal makers because of our mistakes.
As for vise prices on eBay personally (and there might be others that agree with me) generally I consider these full blown "retail" prices and many members here unless they are madly in love with some vise, would probably not pay those prices. Of course there are some exceptional and very rare vises that might easily defy this rule.
In fact that is why personally I very much enjoy hearing what others paid for a vise and even how they made the deal so that I can learn from their experience.
To be honest, for me that other aspect of wanting to know what others paid and the story behind the purchase and other experiences, is like listening to a good hunting story. Here, we are hunting for good vises at great prices and if someone is kind enough and willing to share their story, to me reading their story, is the second best to me personally experiencing the hunt. Specially if they got a great deal! And by no means I consider this to be bragging.
And the same goes for prices and experiences of our friends and fellow members overseas and across the globe. While these stories have a lot of common elements with our experiences (which in it self is facilitating), they also have novel differences and learning about them is facilitating (well at least to me).
Fretters
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Regarding stories, I would have to say that my Parkinson swivel jaw & stand is my best purchase, whilst also being my most expensive. I paid more for that vice than any other. I was just bidding on the vice initially, but noticed what appeared to be the foot of a vice stand in the background, (the vice itself was stood & photographed upon the floor). I contacted the seller to ask if it was indeed a vice stand, and would they be willing to sell that also. It was, and they were. It had been, since her late husband's passing, in use as a potting stand outside the greenhouse. Hence, I ended up with a swivel jaw Parkinson 8A, and an original, (minus the drawer & file rack), Parkinson vice stand. Either rarely come up for sale, so finding both together definitely sits as one of my favourite acquisitions.