New Classifieds Restrictions?

[LGMechanical]

I was reading the classifieds the other day and I noticed this post.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51059

A member (fatal) with less than 10 posts was selling expensive items here on the classifieds and has ripped of at least 3 people. I think the classifieds should be open for senior members only which would probably lower the amount of scams. I'm not familiar with coding but I'm sure this is possible.

What do you all think?

 

[CD360]

I was reading that classifieds the other day and I noticed this post.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51059

A member (fatal) with less than 10 posts was selling expensive items here on the classifieds and has ripped of at least 3 people. I think the classifieds should be open for senior members only which would probably lower the amount of scams. I'm not familiar with coding but I'm sure this is possible.

What do you all think?

I agree. There should be something like this for the classified section.

 

[35mastr]

I have also noticed that members with one post or none at all want to make large purchases from me and want my Paypal info.

 

[woody 73]

I would love to buy from the other members but I am very reluctant at this point. I do not have paypal, I send a check and wait.

I like the point of having senior members only but that is somewhat unfair of others.

In the midwest we have something called Angie's list where you can rate a seller could we do that here?

Good post I hope this goes further...

All the best Woody.

 

[bmwpower]

I'm sorry you guys are having issues. Unfortunately, we have no way of limiting people in the classifieds by post count. Even then, it would not be a guarantee for you to not have any issues.

Gonna look into this character for you guys and see what I can find from this end...

 

[CD360]

I'm sorry you guys are having issues. Unfortunately, we have no way of limiting people in the classifieds by post count. Even then, it would not be a guarantee for you to not have any issues.

Gonna look into this character for you guys and see what I can find from this end...

thanks for the help!!

 

[DHS]

You can deal with who ever you want. If their posts are low with no references, just say sorry your to risky. It is a shame that you have to worry about stuff like that, but it is a risk.

 

[the spyder]

I'm sorry you guys are having issues. Unfortunately, we have no way of limiting people in the classifieds by post count. Even then, it would not be a guarantee for you to not have any issues.

Gonna look into this character for you guys and see what I can find from this end...

As a geek and a moderator of another forum, why?
I was dumbfounded to watch user after user, all with 1-2 posts selling when at minimum they should have 10.

 

[Bull]

You can deal with who ever you want. If their posts are low with no references, just say sorry your to risky. It is a shame that you have to worry about stuff like that, but it is a risk.

I agree. Take it on a case by case basis and be careful about dealing with people who are not known on here. Very few if ANY of the regulars here are going to screw anyone.

 

[Stuey]

I'm sorry you guys are having issues. Unfortunately, we have no way of limiting people in the classifieds by post count. Even then, it would not be a guarantee for you to not have any issues.

Gonna look into this character for you guys and see what I can find from this end...

Are you sure about that? I've seen such mechanisms in place at several other vbulletin forums.

For what it's worth, why anybody would give money to someone with only 6 posts is beyond my understanding.

 

[Bull]

For what it's worth, why anybody would give money to someone with only 6 posts is beyond my understanding.

To be fair, sometimes these people are legit. There was a guy in here just a week or two ago selling a SO box and lots of SO tools. He was brand new, but I believe someone here vouched for him.

 

[LoneGunman]

It's very easy, if YOU don't want to buy from someone with a low post count then don't buy from that person. Seems like people have self discipline problems, why does the site need to stop someone from buying something when the buyer could just not buy? If I decide it's worth the risk vs the reward and get screwed then I have no one to blame but myself. I'm not directing this post at anyone in particular just stating my opinion.

"I was dumbfounded to watch user after user, all with 1-2 posts selling when at minimum they should have 10. "

What is 10 posts going to tell you about someone? You have the same risk buying from someone with 10 posts as you would buying from someone with 1 post. You state they should have 10 at a minimum, is that some sort of new internet classified standard or just your opinion?

Every site I've been on that has a classified section does not automatically limit someones postings by post count, a moderator must manually do it. I'm sure the mods have better things to do than spend their time patrolling post count violators in the classified section. I know of two sites that did away with their classified sections because of non stop problems, the owner got fed up with morons blaming the site for their bad purchases or for bad sellers so they closed the section.

If a guy in a Home Depot parking lot says he wants to sell you a $400 tool, new in the box for $100, you give him the $100 and he hauls a55, you open the perfectly repackaged box and find bricks in the box. Should someone from Home Depot be patrolling the parking lot to stop you from making a stupid purchase?

*Last two paragraphs also not directed at anyone in particular, realized it looked like I could be addressing "Spyder".

 

[bmwpower]

To be fair, sometimes these people are legit. There was a guy in here just a week or two ago selling a SO box and lots of SO tools. He was brand new, but I believe someone here vouched for him.

I bought several things from that guy. You are right - one of our members vouched for him.

 

[bmwpower]

As a geek and a moderator of another forum, why?
I was dumbfounded to watch user after user, all with 1-2 posts selling when at minimum they should have 10.

I don't know. I don't own the site and I don't claim to be a vBulletin expert. All I know is this problem has come up before and Ryan said we could not do it due to a software limitation.

 

[mtnkrake]

On Kawieriders we have a feedback system like ebay.

 

[Stuey]

It's very easy, if YOU don't want to buy from someone with a low post count then don't buy from that person. Seems like people have self discipline problems, why does the site need to stop someone from buying something when the buyer could just not buy? If I decide it's worth the risk vs the reward and get screwed then I have no one to blame but myself. I'm not directing this post at anyone in particular just stating my opinion.

"I was dumbfounded to watch user after user, all with 1-2 posts selling when at minimum they should have 10. "

What is 10 posts going to tell you about someone? You have the same risk buying from someone with 10 posts as you would buying from someone with 1 post. You state they should have 10 at a minimum, is that some sort of new internet classified standard or just your opinion?

Every site I've been on that has a classified section does not automatically limit someones postings by post count, a moderator must manually do it. I'm sure the mods have better things to do than spend their time patrolling post count violators in the classified section. I know of two sites that did away with their classified sections because of non stop problems, the owner got fed up with morons blaming the site for their bad purchases or for bad sellers so they closed the section.

If a guy in a Home Depot parking lot says he wants to sell you a $400 tool, new in the box for $100, you give him the $100 and he hauls a55, you open the perfectly repackaged box and find bricks in the box. Should someone from Home Depot be patrolling the parking lot to stop you from making a stupid purchase?

*Last two paragraphs also not directed at anyone in particular, realized it looked like I could be addressing "Spyder".

Actually.... my local HD does have a security car of some kind driving around in circles, all day. I have theorized what they're there for, but never asked.

 

[woody 73]

HI,
Is it a hard job to rate a member?

You go to their community profile and read a few things that other members have posted.

John was fast in sending it.
Frank was slow.
Mark did not paint the whole picture.

At the same time each member could be given a defense clause.

Just some ideas...

 

[LoneGunman]

"Actually.... my local HD does have a security car of some kind driving around in circles, all day. I have theorized what they're there for, but never asked."

Actually they are there because of a LOT of contractor vehicles get robbed while in the HD parking lot, I was hit twice in NJ HDs when I lived there. I also knew someone who worked the HD parking lots. Law Enforcement set up bait vans for awhile also.

 

[Lookin4'67Galaxieconv]

I won't buy from anyone with a low post count that hasn't at least been vouched for by a longtime member in good standing.

Personally, I think someone should be a member of this board for ninety days before being allowed to post in classifieds.

 

[mtwaterguy]

I agree that a members ability to post in classified should be based on length of membership and not post count.

 

[Stuey]

"Actually.... my local HD does have a security car of some kind driving around in circles, all day. I have theorized what they're there for, but never asked."

Actually they are there because of a LOT of contractor vehicles get robbed while in the HD parking lot, I was hit twice in NJ HDs when I lived there. I also knew someone who worked the HD parking lots. Law Enforcement set up bait vans for awhile also.

I wasn't sure about that , thanks for the clarification!

 

[Vinko]

I've noticed guys on car forums sometimes will start an account, post really good prices, and get quite a haul, then take off. Not to be found. Or not until some other pissed-off psycho (sometimes several) hunt the guy down.Can't say I don't blame those guys.


Whatever that guy in the classified's reason for sending the stuff it's ********.

What I do is check to see if they've had satisfied sellers on previous sales here that I "know".

 

[krusty the clown]

I don't know. I don't own the site and I don't claim to be a vBulletin expert. All I know is this problem has come up before and Ryan said we could not do it due to a software limitation.

hmmm......i'm assuming he uses the same software on jockey journal and there is a minimum post count there for selling in classified's.

 

[CD360]

I agree that a members ability to post in classified should be based on length of membership and not post count.

the length of membership wouldnt help either because "fatal" has been a member since 4/11/05...

 

[woody 73]

Hi,

I keep coming back to the same question How hard is it to rate a seller? Sometimes I see GJ members post Quiz like questions ie. (vote now type blurbs)

Would this concept work?

Woody.

 

[lawlessjr]

I can see where you guys are coming from. Buying something from someone with a low post count like myself can be risky. I do a lot more reading "admiring" than posting, Would posting a link from another site like ebay showing someones feedback be ok? I dont have many things to sell but if I would like to sell something I think my post count would have negative effect.

 

[bmwpower]

hmmm......i'm assuming he uses the same software on jockey journal and there is a minimum post count there for selling in classified's.

On JockeyJournal, it may not be a software based thing. Could be a "we'll delete your post and slap your wrist if you post an ad with < 50 posts" kinda thing.

I know I've not posted 50 times on HAMB and I listed stuff without an issue.

 

[VC455]

I agree 100% with LoneGunman. Self regulation, self responsibility, Caveat emptor, etc.
Ref - Home Depot, topic - should Home Depot be held liable for lack of common sense, I think NOT
Similarly a site Moderator should not /could not, possibly be held responsible for every : transaction, "certification" mis-post, opinion, etc.
I can't believe anyone here truly believes there is a magic threshold of ~10 posts/ length of membership that will make a bad person good, or overcome good judgment and personal responsibility.

 

[Lookin4'67Galaxieconv]

Similarly a site Moderator should not /could not, possibly be held responsible for every : transaction, "certification" mis-post, opinion, etc.
I can't believe anyone here truly believes there is a magic threshold of ~10 posts/ length of membership that will make a bad person good, or overcome good judgment and personal responsibility.

Nobody is talking about holding a site moderator responsible for anything. And no one is saying that a membership time threshold or post count is going to guarantee anything.

What we ARE saying is that someone shouldn't be allowed to pop on here at a moment's notice and start posting stuff. At least some of us are saying that.

 

[krusty the clown]

On JockeyJournal, it may not be a software based thing. Could be a "we'll delete your post and slap your wrist if you post an ad with < 50 posts" kinda thing.

I know I've not posted 50 times on HAMB and I listed stuff without an issue.

ok then......why is it that it can't be done here "due to a software issue" but it's done there?

 

[bmwpower]

ok then......why is it that it can't be done here "due to a software issue" but it's done there?

I'm saying it's not the site that is preventing people from posting with < 10 posts....it's the mods, ie. reactive not proactive

 

[AdRock]

Due diligence. This is the buyers job, not the sites job.

 

[krusty the clown]

I'm saying it's not the site that is preventing people from posting with < 10 posts....it's the mods, ie. reactive not proactive

so saying "it can't be done due to a software issue" is technically correct but an evasive answer.....it should have been "we don't have the manpower or the willingness to do this" or "we just don't want to" right?

is there that many more mods over there? or is it that that's what the members there wanted?

 

[bmwpower]

so saying "it can't be done due to a software issue" is technically correct but an evasive answer.....it should have been "we don't have the manpower or the willingness to do this" or "we just don't want to" right?

is there that many more mods over there? or is it that that's what the members there wanted?

I have no idea. Talk to Ryan.

 

[Busted_Knuckles]

Ive bought and sold here. But I also come with a deep and strong understanding of buying abroad, that maybe not all members posses (experience). To cut to the chase, I think you guys collectively are looking for a "tool", more than anything else, a tool that allows you to asses the risk of the transaction, and you hold only the buyer or seller responsible (feedback).

When I'm buying or selling anything online, I don't expose anything I'm not ready to lose, and that goes both ways, money sent for an item possibly not ever received, and items sent that may be charged back. If you cant handle the risk, brick and mortar or local purchase would be your answer. Thats how I deal with it, I expect to take a hit now and again, but I'm a realist and like to keep my expectations low, keeps my surprise and regret to a minimum. I'm also very discriminating.

I also think, that there should be a process to keep the " I stole them last night, and want to sell them this morning" folks at bay. Also, the " I need a quick fix" folks. Discretion probably helps, on ones behalf. But a mechanical means would be nice.

My 2 cents.

 

[kwhitelaw]

To be fair, sometimes these people are legit. There was a guy in here just a week or two ago selling a SO box and lots of SO tools. He was brand new, but I believe someone here vouched for him.

that was ron from streeteffectz out of NJ, and I was the one who vouched for him.. so yes, sometimes a new member comes along with great deals and its a risk you take..

I also would like to see a minimum post count before using the classifieds. I've seen it enabled on other forums and I like that it makes the member more seasoned before they can pedal there goods..

 

[kwhitelaw]

I bought several things from that guy. You are right - one of our members vouched for him.

how did your transaction with Ron go?

 

[bmwpower]

how did your transaction with Ron go?

It went well. Couple of details were left out, but nothing to write home about.

 

[kwhitelaw]

It went well. Couple of details were left out, but nothing to write home about.

glad to hear...I bought some stuff off him a while back..

 

[bmwpower]

glad to hear...I bought some stuff off him a while back..

You must been the one who got the T handles, eh? What forum do you know him from?