I bought a Worth lift......

[Wraithman]

If you really want the best lift available..look at Mohawk. Totally American made. No hoses, 20x30" base plates of 3/4 steel, 3/4 forklift channels, a ridiculous heavy duty chain, no equalizer cables, Stainless tube from one column to the other, the pistons are over 4". There are 8 sealed metal roller bearings on each carriage and the arms are crazy. Look at the arm/carriage assembly and notice how the arm goes into the carriage rather than over it.
The lifts are all ALI certified to 150% rating..ask other co's...especially Worth (not certified by ALI). The original warranty on Mohawk is 25 yrs.
You are better off with a used Mohawk than a new Bendpack, Rotary, Worth etc.
The welds and precison fit ia a thing of beauty on their lifts. Its the only lift the gov't and many municipal garages will buy. I have the System 1 10k# and seriously looked at all the others and there was no comparison.

 

[mr.dude]

Well it's 7-20 and no lift. I am local and next week will be 12 weeks, Over promising and under delivering is what is going on here. Very disappointed with WORTH and SP

 

[danbuff]

Well it's 7-20 and no lift. I am local and next week will be 12 weeks, Over promising and under delivering is what is going on here. Very disappointed with WORTH and SP

Since you are local, why not visit??

 

[mr.dude]

At this time it is averaging 110 degrees, it usually takes extra hands in these conditions. Maybe it's just good will

 

[Diesel Dan]

If you really want the best lift available..look at Mohawk. Totally American made. No hoses, 20x30" base plates of 3/4 steel, 3/4 forklift channels, a ridiculous heavy duty chain, no equalizer cables, Stainless tube from one column to the other, the pistons are over 4". There are 8 sealed metal roller bearings on each carriage and the arms are crazy. Look at the arm/carriage assembly and notice how the arm goes into the carriage rather than over it.
The lifts are all ALI certified to 150% rating..ask other co's...especially Worth (not certified by ALI). The original warranty on Mohawk is 25 yrs.
You are better off with a used Mohawk than a new Bendpack, Rotary, Worth etc.
The welds and precison fit ia a thing of beauty on their lifts. Its the only lift the gov't and many municipal garages will buy. I have the System 1 10k# and seriously looked at all the others and there was no comparison.

Yes, mowhawk is arguably the best, most over built lift available. For the average, heck even most above average, homeowners they are too expensive. For most a used mowhawk in the configuration one wants is a unicorn. Most shops won't spend the coin for one either.

After owning 2 different Worths, working with Rotary lifts and seeing an operation with a couple dozen mowhawks this is my take. Worth is>rotary but 75% of a 'hawk at 1/2 the price.

My concern is not the lift but the long term viability of the company. In a boom economy they are showing signs of labor shortage, lack of capital for building maintenance let alone volume or product expansion. ie: 3 stage arms.

 

[Dzlpete]

If you really want the best lift available..look at Mohawk. Totally American made. No hoses, 20x30" base plates of 3/4 steel, 3/4 forklift channels, a ridiculous heavy duty chain, no equalizer cables, Stainless tube from one column to the other, the pistons are over 4". There are 8 sealed metal roller bearings on each carriage and the arms are crazy. Look at the arm/carriage assembly and notice how the arm goes into the carriage rather than over it.
The lifts are all ALI certified to 150% rating..ask other co's...especially Worth (not certified by ALI). The original warranty on Mohawk is 25 yrs.
You are better off with a used Mohawk than a new Bendpack, Rotary, Worth etc.
The welds and precison fit ia a thing of beauty on their lifts. Its the only lift the gov't and many municipal garages will buy. I have the System 1 10k# and seriously looked at all the others and there was no comparison.

I had to “have the best”, and now own a 16k Mohawk. Build quality is good to very good.
Their and the dealers customer service for me so far has been underwhelming to be kind

I would not spend the money on one again though.
If you want a “better” lift than a Mohawk, there is one company called Nussbaum

 

[Mr_fixit]

My lift shipped.

 

[elmech]

I'm in the market for 3 new lifts good info here. Mohawk is my first choice I currently have three Rotary 7k's. My heavy equipment guy says Challenger or Rotary and Nussbaum.. The guy who installs the lifts and repairs them says Rotary or go home for some reason.. I've had to re-seal mine 3 times in 18 years no big but I don't like the lock cables they're always needing something..

 

[Diesel Dan]

Down side to the Nussbaum is a listed 94.75" drive through width.

 

[Patchzx7r]

Patch,

How'd it go for you? I just got off the phone with Steve and I still waiting on my Rotary quote.

14+ weeks for me and this was after I threatened to be at his shop the next week if he didn't ship the lift.

I ordered and paid for a worth lift on 2/22/18. They have yet to ship. I expected 12 weeks, from what everyone said, so up front , written on the invoice I gave them more time, documenting I required it by 6/1/18. They didn't deliver. I emailed 2 weeks later after they missed the 6/1 date and Steve said it would ship 7/1, saying something about a piece of equipment that they ( or a contractor?) makes the rolling jacks on was broke. It's past 7/1 and I haven't heard anything from them.

I'm not happy. More to come.

Steve is the guy, his son works in the shop but the process is terrible.

I am having the same problem as Mr_fixit. I ordered a lift on April 2 2018. I paid $3600 up front. It's July 12th. Now I can't get them to return an email or phone call. I hate to say it, but it looks like now they are just scamming people.

I am considering legal action.

The lift wasn't worth the wait. Plenty of other options out there to choose from. I had several issues installing mine. I shimmed the upper posts on both sides and adjusting the cables were a giant PITA. I would 'redo' the threads, that cost me a few hours.

Bend pak would have been fine for my hobby use but like most of us, I wanted to go American made.

 

[xctreker]

My lift shipped.

Finally!

 

[mr.dude]

I picked up my 10000cf today, now it's time to play

 

[xctreker]

I picked up my 10000cf today, now it's time to play

Mr.Dude, we would all be interested in your thoughts on the lift. Maybe some pictures too.

 

[mr.dude]

I sure will in the next couple weeks

 

[xctreker]

I am looking to cancel my order due to reasons mentioned above and the fact I've found a two post on a government auction site for a fraction of the Worth price, but the receipt threatens a 40% cancellation fee.

"All sales orders/invoice terms and conditions of sale are due and governed by Mansfield, Terrant County, Texas. Copies of complete terms and conditions are available upon request. All equipment sales are final. All orders are subject to a cancellation fee of not less than 40% and orders are considered firm when placed. A copy of the order is provided to you via e-mail, fax and or us mail. There are no refunds for promotional orders, custom orders, build order or non-stock items.

I think I may have a glimmer of hope. I found this on the Texas Attorney General's website: "Under federal law, you must receive merchandise you ordered from a catalog within a reasonable time after placing your order. If the seller cannot ship on time, you have the right to cancel. If the seller advertises a six-week wait, that is a reasonable time. Generally, if the seller does not state a delivery time, 30 days is considered reasonable."

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/cpd/catalog-and-online-sales

I found the actual federal law here: https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/selling-internet-prompt-delivery-rules

I believe that since I didn't get a written expected delivery day, it is assumed to be 30 days. After that he is required to provide documentation stating I have a "right to cancel"

From the FTC:
"If you can’t ship within the promised time (or within 30 days if you made no promise), you must notify the customer of the delay, provide a revised shipment date and explain his right to cancel and get a full and prompt refund."

 

[mr.dude]

I am looking to cancel my order due to reasons mentioned above and the fact I've found a two post on a government auction site for a fraction of the Worth price, but the receipt threatens a 40% cancellation fee.

"All sales orders/invoice terms and conditions of sale are due and governed by Mansfield, Terrant County, Texas. Copies of complete terms and conditions are available upon request. All equipment sales are final. All orders are subject to a cancellation fee of not less than 40% and orders are considered firm when placed. A copy of the order is provided to you via e-mail, fax and or us mail. There are no refunds for promotional orders, custom orders, build order or non-stock items.

I think I may have a glimmer of hope. I found this on the Texas Attorney General's website: "Under federal law, you must receive merchandise you ordered from a catalog within a reasonable time after placing your order. If the seller cannot ship on time, you have the right to cancel. If the seller advertises a six-week wait, that is a reasonable time. Generally, if the seller does not state a delivery time, 30 days is considered reasonable."

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/cpd/catalog-and-online-sales

I found the actual federal law here: https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/selling-internet-prompt-delivery-rules

I believe that since I didn't get a written expected delivery day, it is assumed to be 30 days. After that he is required to provide documentation stating I have a "right to cancel"

From the FTC:
"If you can’t ship within the promised time (or within 30 days if you made no promise), you must notify the customer of the delay, provide a revised shipment date and explain his right to cancel and get a full and prompt refund."

What kind of a lift have you found

 

[xctreker]

What kind of a lift have you found

https://www.purplewave.com/auction/180807/item/EI9463

 

[cc_rider]

Update!

Steve got in touch with me and said my lift would ship by July 30th. It arrived at the freight dock a day early.

Steve told me they were having labor and equipment issues. Actually pretty reasonable: skilled labor is very scarce in Texas right now. All kinds of companies cannot find or retain staff. And I'd rather wait, than have some yayhoo building my lift, so hey.

It is a heavy, heavy beast. I'm familiar with Rotary lifts, and the Worth has heavier parts in critical places, like the pulleys.

It got a bit scratched in shipping, but that's nitpicky, and they don't have a lot of control over that. I might get a set of decals.

I can't wait to set it up. I am happy with my purchase.
Thanks!
chris

 

[Diesel Dan]

Cc rider,
Any updates, pics, reviews?

 

[cpainter]

I recently recieved my 10000CF from Worth after a 12 week wait when I was told 6-8 weeks. The delays wouldn't have bothered me as much if Steve would have communicated with me as changes occurred...the delay cost me $6000 in income. That loss could have been prevented easily if Steve had just sent a text or given me a quick call when he first knew of the delay. I have quality issues with mine similar to what I've read here: the hydraulic fitting needing a 45 degree angle treatment, welding splatter in the lift arm pivot pin holes that needed 1 1/2 hours of grinding on my part, and lift arm locks that can't be adjusted to work throughout the rotational range and two that can't be adjusted at all. Their may be other issues I just haven't discovered yet, we'll see. After about 8 weeks, I did go and visit the facility and Steve gave me a tour. It was clear they didn't spend a lot of money on appearances and I chalked it up to having to run on a tight budget to compete with Chinese imports. In my communications with Steve, I seem to get excuses only with no effort to resolve the problems other than telling me to play with it to make things work. At this point I wish I had bought from Bendpak or some other company...I wouldn't order from Worth again and can't recommend them to my mechanically inclined friends and associates. I did write a review with the BBB to give others a heads-up and more realistic expectations. I would rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed by a vendor. A little more communication without creating false expectations would go a long way.

 

[xctreker]

Got mine in today. 15 weeks on an 8 week quote. So far I like what I'm seeing.

 

[Diesel Dan]

Nice!

Let us know how it works out.
Was that a 12K lift?

 

[xctreker]

Nice!

Let us know how it works out.
Was that a 12K lift?

Asymmetrical 10K

 

[xctreker]

All this time all I thought I needed was 4" concrete @ 3500psi. In the paperwork it mentions pads 2' x 2' by 1 foot thick. I did have pads put in when I poured, just not that big. I did 1' x 1' 5" thick.
Wish that bit of information was on the web site.

 

[Diesel Dan]

All this time all I thought I needed was 4" concrete @ 3500psi. In the paperwork it mentions pads 2' x 2' by 1 foot thick. I did have pads put in when I poured, just not that big. I did 1' x 1' 5" thick.
Wish that bit of information was on the web site.

Wonder if that was changed?
I don't recall the pads being required.

 

[Diesel Dan]

Updates, pics, feedback?

 

[xctreker]

I've been out of town since Monday, so I've been unable to do much follow up. We did get the bases upright last Saturday.

 

[Diesel Dan]

Nice, bet you can't wait!

 

[xctreker]

Finally got to use it tonight. The onside isn't clicking which tells me the safety isn't engaging properly.
Here the the link to the whole project.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...share_tid=394133&share_fid=20318&share_type=t

 

[bulletpruf]

Interesting thread. Have been corresponding with Steve about a 10K lift. I think I'm going to go with another manufacturer.

 

[Diesel Dan]

Interesting thread. Have been corresponding with Steve about a 10K lift. I think I'm going to go with another manufacturer.

Why is that?

 

[bulletpruf]

Why is that?

Because of several negative comments posted in this thread and others.

 

[Diesel Dan]

Don't let the lack of ALI rating be one of them.

My 10K bendpak is ALI rated but looks like a LD model compared to a 10K lift from Worth. If I have to buy another lift and Steve still doesn't offer 3 stage arms I'd seriously consider modifying a pair of 3 stage from another manufacturer to fit. If all I had to lift was trucks and longer WB cars it wouldn't be an issue. The monza and stuff like a geo tracker were a pain to lift with only 2 stage arms.

 

[xctreker]

Don't let the lack of ALI rating be one of them.

My 10K bendpak is ALI rated but looks like a LD model compared to a 10K lift from Worth. If I have to buy another lift and Steve still doesn't offer 3 stage arms I'd seriously consider modifying a pair of 3 stage from another manufacturer to fit. If all I had to lift was trucks and longer WB cars it wouldn't be an issue. The monza and stuff like a geo tracker were a pain to lift with only 2 stage arms.

The arms are my biggest gripe with my 10k. They fit my Odyssey and Ram 4x4, but not my Audi. And the Audi was the main reason I bought it.

 

[Vvbrad09]

Now that everyone has had and been using lifts how are they holding up? And pros or cons or features recommend. I am looking to buy one in the near future.

 

[Diesel Dan]

At this point I wish I had bought from Bendpak or some other company....

Maybe for the customer service but not because of the product, JMO after owning both.

 

[Buford 30518]

anyone had any input on either a forward or tuxedo brand 2 post lift?

 

[Barrytomia]

I bought a Worth lift

Has anyone used sealey single pole bike lift? Whats it like? Compared to bike table?

 

[SeanH]

This is good feedback. I actually was considering buying one of these Worth lifts because I realized, after almost drilling holes, that Greg Smith's Pro9D would not lift as high as they had originally published on their website (only 68" when they originally stated something like 76").

Steve from Worth has given me some conflicting information:
- He said the bottom of the arms reach 6', so the top of the pads hit 76.5"... But, his brochure says 74" (which is it?)
- I asked him if the arms would clear my low car (since there's those big plates on them) and all he said is he has never heard complaints. With the comments I read here, it sounds like I would be dealer with some clearance issues.
- I'm really not a fan of the hydraulic lines running outside the posts and the cable stop at the top rather than a beam. All this just seems like old design...
- He told me on the phone that he's the owner and did not design them himself, he paid engineers to design it 40 years ago. Maybe that's why it has not changed for decades?

I am strongly considering making a 4 hr trip to Des Moines to buy a used Bendpak. But, not really sure what to do...

 

[mhejl]

- I asked him if the arms would clear my low car (since there's those big plates on them) and all he said is he has never heard complaints.

That right there is complete BS because I did complain that the advertised minimum pad height of 4" was really well over 5" and, as others have mentioned, the 2 piece arms aren't suitable to shorter wheelbases like Miatas, Minis, etc.

I have to jack up the Miata and then roll it back and forth to get the arms under it and the pinch welds rest on the main (fixed) arms, not the pads (which have to be removed).

Steve's answer was "that's just how we make them". Hell, I'd pay if they'd offer 3 piece low profile arms. The rest of the lift is built like a tank.