rijndael
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Ty-Rap and Zip-Tie are both product names, just like Xerox.
Cable tie wraps (AKA zip ties)
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Ty-Rap and Zip-Tie are both product names, just like Xerox.
Marctrees
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Ty-Rap is a registered name.
Zip-Tie was invented by back yard Ya hoos that shop at HF.
Many folks are very sloppy w their nomenclature.
Sawzaw, Radio Arm Saw, etc
"Could care less "
Marc
Marc
Zip-Tie was invented by back yard Ya hoos that shop at HF.
Many folks are very sloppy w their nomenclature.
Sawzaw, Radio Arm Saw, etc
"Could care less "
Marc
Marc
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kythri
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Anyone hear of "Rockhard' ?
http://www.rockhardtoolsinc.com/ROCKHARD.pdf
Found a local place with this brand, says they're made in the USA.
Just curious.
http://www.rockhardtoolsinc.com/ROCKHARD.pdf
Found a local place with this brand, says they're made in the USA.
Just curious.
Marctrees
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Strange website.
Strange Google results.
No company info.
"Shopify" ? ?
What in the world would be the incentive to buy from them ?
Don't think so.....................................
I may have missed it... not to be rude.... is this related to cable ties?
Marc
Strange Google results.
No company info.
"Shopify" ? ?
What in the world would be the incentive to buy from them ?
Don't think so.....................................
I may have missed it... not to be rude.... is this related to cable ties?
Marc
kythri
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Page 38-41 of the catalog I linked has the cable ties I'm referring to.
They may be affiliated with Missouri Precision Tools:
https://www.mo2ls.com/
They may be affiliated with Missouri Precision Tools:
https://www.mo2ls.com/
Marctrees
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I guess I'm a jerk, but I never shop at dubious online sites that don't even have a valid brick address.
Why would one... when there are sooooo many other proven dealers ?
I apologize if I misunderstood your postings.
Marc
Why would one... when there are sooooo many other proven dealers ?
I apologize if I misunderstood your postings.
Marc
Bottlecapdigger
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Different strokes for different folks. I could not be bothered to keep a duplicate product for varying levels of repair. For temp jobs I have been known to carefully cut off a ty was so I could reuse it in the future.[HaHa I'm not the only one out there. bcd]
Bottlecapdigger
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kctyphoon
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You guys sold me on Ty Rap - I am tired of the ones I have been using (unk cheapie brand) breaking on me so I just happened to find 1,000 11"ers in Amazon Warehouse for $45 (normally $120) which works out to be about 4.5¢ each. For reference, Harbor Freight 11"ers are around 3¢ each, so not a whole lot more. Not sure if I will ever go through 1,000 of them, but heck, I will have them if I need them 
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James-W
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This will be a little off topic here, but it is about zip ties so it sort of fits in.
When I was stationed at Hunter Army Airfield back in the 70's, I noticed the shop was getting a bit low on zip ties. I decided to fill out a requisition and get some. I had the federal stock number so I filled out the form and for quantity I put down 100. What I didn't realize is, these things came in bags of 1,000. So I inadvertently ordered 100,000 zip ties. A few days later we got boxes and boxes and more boxes of zip ties.
All I can say is, it is a good thing my shop chief had a good sense of humor. He wasn't upset with me, we just had to fill out paperwork to return them. I mean, it was just an honest mistake, I should have checked to see how they were packaged, but I never really gave it that much thought.
When I was stationed at Hunter Army Airfield back in the 70's, I noticed the shop was getting a bit low on zip ties. I decided to fill out a requisition and get some. I had the federal stock number so I filled out the form and for quantity I put down 100. What I didn't realize is, these things came in bags of 1,000. So I inadvertently ordered 100,000 zip ties. A few days later we got boxes and boxes and more boxes of zip ties.
All I can say is, it is a good thing my shop chief had a good sense of humor. He wasn't upset with me, we just had to fill out paperwork to return them. I mean, it was just an honest mistake, I should have checked to see how they were packaged, but I never really gave it that much thought.
Miss the Pontiacs
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Me and a buddy laced up a large quantity of 25 pair cables years ago just to say we did. We used what we called wax string, did not realize it was actually made of linen. We actually did a pretty good job of it. But was definitely a 2 man job. Still have a spool or two around.
Then we used the Panduit straps. Only problem with them was limited to the volume of cables mountable, especially with 25 pair cables. If you added extra the strap would have to be replaced with a larger strap.
Then it was another Panduit product called sticky backs (at least that is what we called them. Then used ty (w)raps to mount our cables, which could be done by one man.
Today due to data and voice cables being interchangeable and easily crushed with too much force. Velcro is the strap of choice. And yes there is a variety of low end **** to the one piece straps again made by Panduit.
Here is a pic of the strap and the loop Velcro.
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I use Morris wire ties (that’s another name besides zip-ties, tie-wraps & cable ties.)
Been in the emergency vehicle upfitting business long enough to go through all different sorts of ties, some cheap, some pricey, some ****, some premium. I’ve found that Morris black wire ties (I use 4”, 6”, and 8”) offers very good quality for a very good price and have been using them for years.
Try a set. I buy them from toolfetch.com in bulk.
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Been in the emergency vehicle upfitting business long enough to go through all different sorts of ties, some cheap, some pricey, some ****, some premium. I’ve found that Morris black wire ties (I use 4”, 6”, and 8”) offers very good quality for a very good price and have been using them for years.
Try a set. I buy them from toolfetch.com in bulk.
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rijndael
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We still lace bundles in my facility, but it's usually 48v stuff.
kythri
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I was just curious if anyone had any experience with the brand. I'm not looking at buying this stuff online. I found a supply locally, and the price is super great.
Understandably, while I know that just because something is made in the USA doesn't mean it's going to be perfect, in general, domestically produced stuff is usually at least decent quality, and the pack I bought to sample them seems to be great.
Miss the Pontiacs
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Show some pics or better yet start a new thread. I didn't realize it was done anymore. 48 volts for what??
rijndael
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Unfortunately, photography is prohibited in the facility. 48v DC is used in data centers as well as Telco COs for IT equipment.
ttpete
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rlitman
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Mostly Telco stuff. I can get around the prohibition on photography, but I don't think I can go downstairs and take a picture of laced cables that doesn't include customer's equipment, so I too can't contribute my own pictures.
I've always just worked off a spool and used a lacing hook:
ttpete
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Mostly Telco stuff. I can get around the prohibition on photography, but I don't think I can go downstairs and take a picture of laced cables that doesn't include customer's equipment, so I too can't contribute my own pictures.
I've always just worked off a spool and used a lacing hook:
A large crochet hook with a bend in it would probably also work well.
Marctrees
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Ya, the Hand Lacing stuff is way cool... will last for YEARS.
Marc
Marc
rlitman
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Kind of. The lacing hook is a little different though. It's flat, so you can get it into tighter places, and it can both push and pull loops of string, where crochet hooks can only pull.
The telco companies like it because lacing can't have sharp corners that can cause injury . I use flush cutters on my zip ties, so they aren't sharp, and loathe people who cut theirs with diagonal cutters.
rijndael
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And, you can pull a bundle of laced cables back smoothly. Zip ties tend to snag along the way, sometimes they snag things like fiber optic cables, which is less than ideal.
Marctrees
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My Mrs has major Knee Arthritis issues.
I made her a sock filled w Rice to Microwave as a heating pad.
Cut the two T&B Ty-Raps on the open end of the sock perfectly flush w a sharp razor, so NO sharp stubbins.
Just like Rlitman said, end result same, but with a new sharp razor.
Always do that, I consider it good workmanship... not to leave the sharp tail.
Marc
I made her a sock filled w Rice to Microwave as a heating pad.
Cut the two T&B Ty-Raps on the open end of the sock perfectly flush w a sharp razor, so NO sharp stubbins.
Just like Rlitman said, end result same, but with a new sharp razor.
Always do that, I consider it good workmanship... not to leave the sharp tail.
Marc
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Marctrees
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Dang thing is, I absolutely know....by using the Ty Raps, the ties will NEVER fail.
Marc
Marc
Snakebyt
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but they make a zip sound when you pull them, kind of like a zipper..please can i still call them zip ties?.. haha
toplessHO
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thats actually to the laymen called 12 cord
12 strands in a waxed type of string thats strong as heck
Its a dying art,most facilities dont want anyone to take the time to lace cable anymore. But if you had as many scars on forearms and hands as I do from sloppy ty rap installs you would appreciate the lacing cord
That is funny. Our dept clerk did exacly what you did. Our boss at the time was was not too swift and was embarrased to send them back so a pallet of the stuff just sat there.
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I don't remember the brand and make no claims about how useful they are but I have a bag of releaseable cable ties. There is a little tab at the buckle and depressing it releases the tie. I use them sometimes to hold something briefly. Velcro probably is an alternative.
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Thirdyfivepickup
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I use nothing but safety wire when working on nuclear weapons...
4 pages of opinions on zip ties... I made it to page 2 before I gave in... I'll go read about how Sears is going down the tubes. Still.
Sears stock at $1.35 today. It won't be long.
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I use nothing but safety wire when working on nuclear weapons...
4 pages of opinions on zip ties... I made it to page 2 before I gave in... I'll go read about how Sears is going down the tubes. Still.
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I use nothing but safety wire when working on nuclear weapons...
4 pages of opinions on zip ties... I made it to page 2 before I gave in... I'll go read about how Sears is going down the tubes. Still.
Why do you even bother making your post which adds nothing other than bringing the topic to the top for other people to look at again
I found this thread to be useful - go thread **** in the makita warranty thread, that thread needs some more drama