Qualitytools
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I am looking forward to using it
Craftsman/Sears, Vise ID by Catalog
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I am looking forward to using it
bubinga
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Qualitytools
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Probably not, most likely I will just clean it and if you have any recommendation on a lubricant I will do so also before mounting it.
bubinga
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I put a little white or brake grease on my Swivel contact areas, and a dry Lube from a spray can on the threads. (lead screw)
Won't attract dirt that way.
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Qualitytools
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Based on this post by Kc-steve I checked my Craftsman 391-5180 and on the bottom of the base it says "JAPAN BF" photo for reference
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Qualitytools
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Thanks bubinga!
bubinga
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Sure!
AngryBeaver
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bubinga
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They look great.The craftsman 5185 started off pretty beat up. Pretty sure this is a jan 1945 production.
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BeardedOne
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I can finally post my first Crafts-ian 506.51800 made in the U.S.A.
I was out having lunch with some friends on Wednesday and had the afternoon relatively open so I went to an antique store about 8 miles away and stumbled upon this little gem:
I have been looking for a decently priced Craftsman for about a year now, and this one was $25. There is a small crack near the back of the swivel base, and I know what I'm going to do to fix it.
After doing a little research, I know this is a Columbian manufactured vise, and if I happened to procure a base from a D44, would it work?
I was out having lunch with some friends on Wednesday and had the afternoon relatively open so I went to an antique store about 8 miles away and stumbled upon this little gem:
I have been looking for a decently priced Craftsman for about a year now, and this one was $25. There is a small crack near the back of the swivel base, and I know what I'm going to do to fix it.
After doing a little research, I know this is a Columbian manufactured vise, and if I happened to procure a base from a D44, would it work?
I just bought a 05196 last month for $40 and am in the final stages of painting. Does anyone have a parts list for these vises? I'm wondering what the function of the bolt in the back of the acme screw nut is for? This nut also has a vertical slit in the back, what is that for?
bubinga
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Don't think I ever noticed that on my vise or if for that matter I have the very same vise however a vertical slit in a nut on an Acme thread almost sounds like it would be used to somehow squeeze the nut down to take slop out of it to tighten up the thread almost like a lead screw on the cross slide of a metal lathe.
Can you post a picture up of the nut in question?
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BeardedOne
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My little Sears 506-51770 shares some parts with my Columbian D33 1/2
Both are USA made.
bubinga
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Maybe that slit is just to give the nut a little "give" when you tighten the leadscrew.Here is a photo of the nut with the bolt. It does appear to function as a means to adjust the tension on the screw but seems positioned too low to be effective. Maybe it only needs to move slightly.
If it's (the fit) not loose, I would just Lube it and leave it alone.
I would hate to or hate to see you try to "improve" it, and break the casting.
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bubinga
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Good Job.
That slit and screw are to take the backlash out for the thread. Be careful adjusting it as I've seen those slit pieces broken off...
There are two sources of backlash in a Vise. The space between the head of the main screw and the retention collar, (the most common issue) and any axial slop on the threads and nut for the main screw.
There are two sources of backlash in a Vise. The space between the head of the main screw and the retention collar, (the most common issue) and any axial slop on the threads and nut for the main screw.
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bubinga
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i told you not to Break it too Steve.................
No personal experience, never broke one or saw anyone break one, I thought it up on my Own.
Yeah Outlaws.......
I said it 1st!Hope you know I'm just Kidding,some people dont "get me"
I highly respect outlaws experience.
Yes you did and I thanked you both. I promise not to break it. Just hazing the junior member I guess. 
I must say that the 5196 may be a little rare and the handle unique but the casting is ****. Lot of rough and misshapen edges. I would have though Colombian would have done better but it was for Sears after all. It will serve its purpose nicely though.
I must say that the 5196 may be a little rare and the handle unique but the casting is ****. Lot of rough and misshapen edges. I would have though Colombian would have done better but it was for Sears after all. It will serve its purpose nicely though.
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bubinga
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No, was mostly zinging Outlaws....... L0L [emoji850] [emoji850] [emoji850] [emoji850] [emoji850]Yes you did and I thanked you both. I promise not to break it. Just hazing the junior member I guess.
I must say that the 5196 may be a little rare and the handle unique but the casting is ****. Lot of rough and misshapen edges. I would have though Colombian would have done better but it was for Sears after all. It will serve its purpose nicely though.
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bubinga
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Beauty!
Thanks babinga, thanks Outlaw!
It was a fun project. It wasn't the original color but there was so little paint on it originally it was hard to tell if it was gray or a shade of bluish-green. Next is my Parker and a few C-clamps.
It was a fun project. It wasn't the original color but there was so little paint on it originally it was hard to tell if it was gray or a shade of bluish-green. Next is my Parker and a few C-clamps.
AngryBeaver
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Yes you did and I thanked you both. I promise not to break it. Just hazing the junior member I guess.
I must say that the 5196 may be a little rare and the handle unique but the casting is ****. Lot of rough and misshapen edges. I would have though Colombian would have done better but it was for Sears after all. It will serve its purpose nicely though.
I don't think these are columbians. I wish the original post would take columbian off of these. there is no hard evidence that columbian made them. There is not one single similarity to a columbian other than the handles having grooves in them. which also appeared before columbian started supplying them to sears. Columbians are light, hollow ductile iron. these are not light. these are not columbian jaws, the date stamp on the top of the slide columbian has never done. the shape of the U in the slide doesn't resemble columbian. the taper on the swivel base doesnt resemble a columbian. Columbians were always flat. Rock islands, Athols, and post 40's Reeds were tapered.
They resemble rock island more than anything. The threaded collar on the spindle is unique to this vise, as well as the adjustable nut holder. I'm not sure if this was a failed attempt to copy the reed adjustable pins or not. The thick heavy base reminds me more of Athol than anything else I've seen. No on will convince me they are columbian built. I've also never seen a broken jaw support on a columbian and these 0519X series are pretty notorious for being broken or cracked there.
Your red looks good. I debated on a medium red also. I couldn't save the original color... I looked and looked for something that resembled the bluish-grey and gave up trying random colors... lol
quick little refurb on this 05196. dated 10 51. sadly I couldn't save the original paint under the black spray bomb. Oh well... this is the third one of these I've had... yes they are heavy... the castings are very weak and porous. this is the first one that wasn't broken on the jaw support, but the casting imperfections on the lower jaw support tell me they are prone to breaking, which also tells me they are not columbian built. I've never seen columbian castings with very porous surfaces like these.
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Fair enough. I'm new to vises and was only going by the info on this site. I'll not claim it's anything but a Craftsman.
Your's came out great with the blue!! What did you use for the oil port on the dynamic jaw? Is that original?
AngryBeaver
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that is original. on my 5196 dated 10 51, it looks like its steel. on my 1 49 dated 5191, it is brass
OK, I removed the Columbian reference. I made that based on jaw styles, and that mapped to Columbian, and Columbian was a known supplier. This was done long before I had one in hand. At this point, short of finding a smoking gun, I don't think we will ever find out who built these...
AngryBeaver
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I don't think we will either. Jaw style is rock island for sure. Columbians didn't use the C or U style jaws since the 20's. Before I had one in hand I was 100% certain it was rock island based on the jaws, the date stamp on the side and the time frame that rock island was still in business but not actively producing new vises. my first initial thought was they possibly had to fulfill a sears contract before shutting their doors completely.
after having 3 now.... and 2 badly broken.... I don't think they are rock islands. the castings are horrible. they are heavy like a rock island, but they are brittle like a prentiss. the swivel base reminds me of an Athol. Columbian never had a tapered swivel lock (or date stamp on the slide, or heavy castings). (reed, Rock island and athol/starrett did). the tooth engagement on the swivel is on the inner ring like rock islands have. the unique threaded collar to hold the spindle is unique to this. the threaded bar to retain and adjust the spindle nut is also unique to this. Maybe Rock island took some ideas from Reeds split nut design that was the craftsman generation of vises before these 519x series. the front half of the spindle support is unique to these vises also. its hard telling... the more of these I get, the less sure of who actually made them. there is even a possibly these were outsourced.... I know no one wants to hear that, but maybe sears took a bunch of older RI and reed made craftsmans over seas and said here... design us something. its hard telling at this point.
AngryBeaver
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close the jaws completely. then look at the slide. it will be behind the "anvil" section on top of the slide. I can take a pic of the oil port later when i am back at my shop. this is all I have at the moment
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kwoswalt99
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They were made in Japan I’m pretty sure. I used to have some pictures of some vises that looked very similar and were stamped made in Japan.
bubinga
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Crazy !
I have the Non identical twin to that vise, But with Out the swivel.
It's just A fixed base.
I have the Non identical twin to that vise, But with Out the swivel.
It's just A fixed base.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
OH yeah, Pretty sure it is on mine too.
believe it or not, not sure where it is right now?
OH yeah, Pretty sure it is on mine too.
believe it or not, not sure where it is right now?