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It’s not here yet, but my least favorite season is rapidly approaching. I don’t mind most yard work, but I’m not a fan of raking.

The back yard has large old trees. A locust (drops seed pods), and a ginkgo. Here’s what it looks like the day after the ginkgo drops.

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Deceptively easy looking, what falls from these two trees is pretty much impervious to leaf blowers. The locust pods are heavy enough that they don’t move much, and the hook shape tends to make them get caught on the grass, each other, and everything else. The ginkgo leaves are flat, and they stack well. A blower will move some, about 12” or so, then the pile gets too heavy and it just stops. There are also the cherry sized fruits from the ginkgo, which the blower won’t do anything with.

I can usually get the area under the trees cleared out with the blower. That takes a day. Some goes out the back (there is an alley) and some out the front in to the yard. Then a day or two of raking the rest in to lines. And a day or two of shoveling the lines in to my truck

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and hauling them to the local yard waste drop site. It’s usually around 15-20 truck loads.

There has to be a better way to do this. Last year, around truck load 14, something popped, and I spent most of the winter in major pain with physical therapy. Official diagnosis was sciatica, but not the kind that’s in the back. Mine is in my left hip, and made my whole left leg hurt. I’m mostly better, but there is still a twinge deep in my hip promising pain if I annoy it.

The other change this year is that the city is eliminating the yard waste dumps due to abuse and problems. They want all “leaves” in the front yard by the street for pick up. They run big vacuum trucks along the street. 15 or so yards of “leaves” dumped in the front yard from the back yard isn’t great for the grass, but it’ll have to survive it. I am not going to put 15 yards of yard waste in those little brown paper bags, my other remaining option.

I’m looking for suggestions on cleanup. I don’t have a riding mower, the yard isn’t that big, and I don’t really have the space to store one. But, if it’s find space for a mower or end up in pain again, I’ll make space somewhere. I need something that will pick up and move stuff, that won’t get easily overloaded or jammed with the weight of this stuff.

Taking the trees down is not an option.






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There are lawn services near me that offer leaf cleanup with Big vacuum trucks. They are similar to the municipal trucks, but they go through your yard to get the leaves.
Sometimes you just have to pay the man. It would likely take several seasons before you’d be money ahead by buying your own riding mower with bagger.

Could you use a walk-behind mower with a mulcher/bagger?
 

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Last year, around truck load 14, something popped, and I spent most of the winter in major pain with physical therapy. Official diagnosis was sciatica, but not the kind that’s in the back. Mine is in my left hip, and made my whole left leg hurt. I’m mostly better, but there is still a twinge deep in my hip promising pain if I annoy it.

Similar scenario here, multi-level spinal fusion, sciatica problem that Ortho doc has determined is hip related and both shoulders repaired. I've been forced to hire people to do most everything I used to do myself. My son is a huge help but stays pretty busy with his job, life, etc. It's either pay the $$, or suffer in pain. I'd call around or ask any neighbors for recommendations. Good luck trying to hire any neighborhood kids...
 

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Do you have a riding mower? If so, get a lawn vacuum attachment or just mulch them up.
 

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There has to be a better way to do this. Last year, around truck load 14, something popped, and I spent most of the winter in major pain with physical therapy. Official diagnosis was sciatica, but not the kind that’s in the back. Mine is in my left hip, and made my whole left leg hurt. I’m mostly better, but there is still a twinge deep in my hip promising pain if I annoy it.

I can't help with the leaves. I have a heavily wooded lot but I have to deal with pine needles instead of deciduous leaves.

But as far as the hip pain, in the past 15 years I've developed hip pain that seems to be related to a back injury I suffered over 35 years ago as a pre teen.

I have an inversion table & it hasn't been a saving grace for the pain in my back but it has been beneficial for my hip pain. It may very well be helping with my back but the immediate relief is more obvious in my hips.

For what it is worth. Back injuries are different for everyone. Hope you feel better.
 

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Have you looked at the Yard Boss or Kombi systems? I use the power sweep attachment to clean stuff out of my grass all the time. The rubber paddles will not rip your grass up, the bristle broom attachment will.
 

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The best recurring expenditure I currently have in my budget is a weekly lawn care service. For $60 they mow approximately 1.5 acre, string trim, push mow a steep bank in front of my home next to the road, and blow off all the surfaces around my home and at the street. My wife and I could not think of a more convenient service as it saves me hours per week of work. And when fertilizer, lime, aeration, seeding is required I don’t have to purchase/rent/store any equipment. I would just pay a company unless you can afford to go back to physical therapy..


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That is a great price on a lawn service. Around here, they would charge at least $100 and do a terrible job. They all use zero turn mowers driving at warp speed, bash into downspouts, garden edging, etc. They edge driveways with power tools that tear up the cement if they get careless. When the lawns are growing a lot, you can't get them to come out so when they do, they are cutting off 50% or more of the grass length which stresses it. Then when we are in a drought, they come every week and mow off two weeds and want to get paid. If I had a quality service for $60/week I would use it. I am not paying $400/mo especially when I have a 9-month mowing season here.

To the OP, there are no neighborhood kids around that want to earn $20 bucks for an hour of work?
 
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There are lawn services near me that offer leaf cleanup with Big vacuum trucks. They are similar to the municipal trucks, but they go through your yard to get the leaves.
Sometimes you just have to pay the man. It would likely take several seasons before you’d be money ahead by buying your own riding mower with bagger.

Could you use a walk-behind mower with a mulcher/bagger?


I’ve not seen a service like that around here. Yard service here is generally a guy with a zero radius riding mower running at warp speed. Fancy lawn service adds a guy with a string trimmer and a blower.

I mow with a walk behind. No way it’ll handle these. Not nearly enough suction to lift the seed pods. And the leaves in that first pic I posted are deeper than the mower deck.

I’m not opposed to paying a service. I generally do my own work, but pain is a wonderful motivator for change.




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Similar scenario here, multi-level spinal fusion, sciatica problem that Ortho doc has determined is hip related and both shoulders repaired. I've been forced to hire people to do most everything I used to do myself. My son is a huge help but stays pretty busy with his job, life, etc. It's either pay the $$, or suffer in pain. I'd call around or ask any neighbors for recommendations. Good luck trying to hire any neighborhood kids...


It’s an older neighborhood. At 51, I’m one of the youngest. The neighborhood kids have moved out.



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That is a great price on a lawn service. Around here, they would charge at least $100 and do a terrible job. They all use zero turn mowers driving at warp speed, bash into downspouts, garden edging, etc. They edge driveways with power tools that tear up the cement if they get careless. When the lawns are growing a lot, you can't get them to come out so when they do, they are cutting off 50% or more of the grass length which stresses it. Then when we are in a drought, they come every week and mow off two weeds and want to get paid. If I had a quality service for $60/week I would use it. I am not paying $400/mo especially when I have a 9-month mowing season here.

To the OP, there are no neighborhood kids around that want to earn $20 bucks for an hour of work?


There aren’t any kids. This is way beyond an hour of work. I’m 50, in reasonable shape. The yard isn’t big, takes 30 minutes to mow with a walk behind and a mulching blade.

If I bust *** on it, I have done it in three days, dawn to dark, with a 30 minute break for lunch. Before the sciatica thing, I could do that, and be sore for a week. If I take it a little easier, it’s two weekends for the back yard, and one for the front. That’s the pace I was working at last year, toward the end of the second weekend, when “pop” and pain hit me.




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I mow with a walk behind. No way it’ll handle these. Not nearly enough suction to lift the seed pods. And the leaves in that first pic I posted are deeper than the mower deck.

I’m not opposed to paying a service. I generally do my own work, but pain is a wonderful motivator for change.

We had a Black Locust tee when we moved in. My Snapper Hi-Vac picked up the seed pods up just fine, even when I used the "Snapperizer" leaf shredding attachment. You do have to empty the bag frequently when using the walk behind for leaf removal even with the Snapperizer. I can get by without using a rake or leaf blower if I stay on my summer mowing schedule of every 4th day. It doesn't look like I have a a lot fewer trees than you, but like you said, the pictures can be deceiving. Just wanted to pass along my experience.

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What about a walk behind leaf vac? The brand name that I looked at was a Billy Goat. The bag isn't all that big, so would still be a lot of work. I thought about getting one and having two bags, so that way one person could be vacuuming while the other person is unloading the other bag.
 
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We had a Black Locust tee when we moved in. My Snapper Hi-Vac picked up the seed pods up just fine, even when I used the "Snapperizer" leaf shredding attachment. You do have to empty the bag frequently when using the walk behind for leaf removal even with the Snapperizer. I can get by without using a rake or leaf blower if I stay on my summer mowing schedule of every 4th day. It doesn't look like I have a a lot fewer trees than you, but like you said, the pictures can be deceiving. Just wanted to pass along my experience.

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I had a Snapper mower, it wore out and now I have a Toro. It’ll pick up some pods, but not this many. Its ok for weekly mowing. This is a once a year problem.

Oh, and if you’ve not had a ginkgo tree, they drop their leaves all at once. 60’ tree loses all its leaves within 24 hours.



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What about a walk behind leaf vac? The brand name that I looked at was a Billy Goat. The bag isn't all that big, so would still be a lot of work. I thought about getting one and having two bags, so that way one person could be vacuuming while the other person is unloading the other bag.


Neighbor had one a few years ago, and I looked at it, but his seemed insufficient to the task. Small inlet openings. He used it on grass, and eventually ditched it for a zero radius riding mower.

That does seem like the kind of thing I’d want to try though.




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Can't say with 100% certainty that it will work but Billy Goat vacuums have a tremendous amount of air velocity. I can't say whether it will work for you but I was impressed when I ran one about 20 years back at my grounds crew job.

Edit: oops looks like that avenue has been explored.
 

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I had a Snapper mower, it wore out and now I have a Toro. It’ll pick up some pods, but not this many. Its ok for weekly mowing. This is a once a year problem.

Oh, and if you’ve not had a ginkgo tree, they drop their leaves all at once. 60’ tree loses all its leaves within 24 hours.



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I didn't know that about the Ginkgo...

You must mow a LOT if you wore out a Hi-Vac... :lol_hitti Mine's 25 years old...

Tommy
 
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You're causing yourself medical issues over leaves?

Cut it down or pay someone to remove the leaves. Life is too short to get pushed around in a wheel chair in your golden years because of leaves!

Not trying to be a jerk, sometimes we lose perspective on things. But there are two truths here to consider; you aren't getting younger and that tree will not be getting any smaller. Short of mulching it or leaving them, even with the perfect yard vac you still have to empty the bags and man-handle 14+ truckloads of leaves...

Just my opinion, good luck.

-Clint
 

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Yes, that one. You can buy the string trimmer style power head and then add attachments as needed. They also have a walk behind style power head that you can connect attachments to. I use mine for cleaning cedar fronds, rocks, bark etc. out of my grass. The rubber paddles work really well. You mentioned your waste collection service wanting everything piled up by the curb; I think you could just sweep everything over to the curb and be done with it. No raking, no shoveling.
 

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It’s an older neighborhood. At 51, I’m one of the youngest. The neighborhood kids have moved out.



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Better yet, find one of the old guys in the neighborhood to chop your leaves. Gotta to be an old retired guy that wants out of the house on his rider away from his wife. He'll be happy to do it and smile when you hand him a $20.
 
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You're causing yourself medical issues over leaves?

Cut it down or pay someone to remove the leaves. Life is too short to get pushed around in a wheel chair in your golden years because of leaves!

Not trying to be a jerk, sometimes we lose perspective on things. But there are two truths here to consider; you aren't getting younger and that tree will not be getting any smaller. Short of mulching it or leaving them, even with the perfect yard vac you still have to empty the bags and man-handle 14+ truckloads of leaves...

Just my opinion, good luck.

-Clint


No, that’s just the point. I don’t want to do what I’ve been doing. So I’m looking for something I can buy or rent to make the job **** less.




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I believe I do understand you. My point was that no matter what you find its still going to require a lot of hard work unless you sub it out or ignore/mulch it.

Unless you can use something like this:

http://www.smithco.com/golf-course-maintenance/sweepers/sweep-star-60/

This option requires you just ride that machine around and dump the leaves in the truck and a trailer. Have a buddy go offload them and by the time hes back you have another load ready. You'd probably be done in under half a day. No sore back.

Downside: Probably price, because its not listed on the site, but I doubt its cheap. And I'm not aware of places that rent these, if someone does maybe this would be your ticket.

-Clint
 

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My problem is getting rid of the leaves. I can windrow them with the blower, but then I have to put them somewhere. Way too many to haul to the dump. Will a leaf shredder grind them up? I have a big chipper, but it doesn't do leaves. I'd buy a shredder if I thought it would work OK. If I leave them on the lawn, they kill the grass.
 

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I'm not going to be much help to you. Fall is my favourite season. No bugs, cooler weather, don't have to mow as often, lots of colour other than green, when all that colour hits the ground it stays there or moves on or rots away or something, I don't touch them.

I do live in the country though, on a 10 acre property with no close neighbours to complain about leaves blowing onto their lawn or anything else.

The worst part of fall is what's coming next though, not a big fan of winter anymore.

Good luck with your leaves.
 

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I have two properties that have this problem -- They both look better leaf free in the winter -- one is an upscale suburban property that must be cleaned up and leaf free. The other i jsut leek that way -- but I must remove my own leaves. I have both types of billy goats -- and while they work ..they still require much time and you still have to move the leaves around after they fill up. Even with the town picking up the leaves from the street at the one property the Billy's take a lot of time and you can't wait until all the leaves fall or if they are wet.

I can spend an entire weekend cleaning up the suburban one -- I stopped doing it about 10 years ago. I do some of the incremental clean up -- but I wait until they are all down and pay a service to pick them up. They show up with a bunch of guys with blowers and tarps and in three hours .. it's done and perfect for the winter ... nothing to clean up in the spring. It's like paying for vacation.

Two of us with blowers can't move leaves like 5 guys moving in mass ... I would look around for someone to do it. There is no easy out
 

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I'm not going to be much help to you. Fall is my favourite season. No bugs, cooler weather, don't have to mow as often, lots of colour other than green, when all that colour hits the ground it stays there or moves on or rots away or something, I don't touch them.

I do live in the country though, on a 10 acre property with no close neighbours to complain about leaves blowing onto their lawn or anything else.

The worst part of fall is what's coming next though, not a big fan of winter anymore.

Good luck with your leaves.


No kidding, I'm enjoying the cooler weather we've had the last week or so, makes working outside or in the shop actually bearable. I dread what comes next however...
 

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If you plan to keep the tree then you need to arm yourself with better tools! Simplicity has a 17 bushel leaf cart, combined with some baffles and mulching attachments for the deck to shred the leaves up...you could cut that time and mass down significantly (like counting in hours instead of days).

Also, get a trailer and add one of those truck bed conveyor setups. I have 3-4 times the amount of trees, and am down wind from neighbors with lots of trees...so I feel your pain.
 

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When I bought my house the front yard had 5 huge hickory trees in the front, and one huge one on the other side of the driveway. After all those years of trying to keep leaves off the grass in the fall, I finally cut them down. Two were digging into my roof line and eating up the shingles along the edge.
My house is on the side of a hill, so keeping grass alive is not an option if you don't want erosion.
My happiest fall was the first fall that I didn't have the 8' high pile of leaves I had to bag. OK, maybe not 8' high, but it sure felt like it. Kids had fun playing in all my hard work. Not sure if I should have let them have fun playing in the leaves or beat their asses for scattering them all over the yard after I raked them!
They played.....

Maybe OP needs one of the DR yard vacs?

https://www.drpower.com/inquiry/lea...Gf6QVisMdoSbSa_Z9ZTFmzPeRxfD_1XxoC9vMQAvD_BwE
 
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I believe I do understand you. My point was that no matter what you find its still going to require a lot of hard work unless you sub it out or ignore/mulch it.

Unless you can use something like this:

http://www.smithco.com/golf-course-maintenance/sweepers/sweep-star-60/

This option requires you just ride that machine around and dump the leaves in the truck and a trailer. Have a buddy go offload them and by the time hes back you have another load ready. You'd probably be done in under half a day. No sore back.

Downside: Probably price, because its not listed on the site, but I doubt its cheap. And I'm not aware of places that rent these, if someone does maybe this would be your ticket.

-Clint


Ooh, now that looks good. I don’t know if I can rent one either, but it’s worth looking in to.




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I believe I do understand you. My point was that no matter what you find its still going to require a lot of hard work unless you sub it out or ignore/mulch it.

Unless you can use something like this:

http://www.smithco.com/golf-course-maintenance/sweepers/sweep-star-60/

This option requires you just ride that machine around and dump the leaves in the truck and a trailer. Have a buddy go offload them and by the time hes back you have another load ready. You'd probably be done in under half a day. No sore back.

Downside: Probably price, because its not listed on the site, but I doubt its cheap. And I'm not aware of places that rent these, if someone does maybe this would be your ticket.

-Clint

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THIS

I bought a used Toro/Olathe unit at a state surplus auction a few years ago. It has two counter-rotating bars with rubber "fingers" on them. It does a great job on grass, leaves, pods, small twigs, pine needles, pine cones, etc.
Yes, they are stupid expensive new, like $10,000- 12,000. However, due to limited demand, they get pretty cheap on the resale market. I got mine for around $1,000 and it was in great condition.
 

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I bought a used Toro/Olathe unit at a state surplus auction a few years ago. It has two counter-rotating bars with rubber "fingers" on them. It does a great job on grass, leaves, pods, small twigs, pine needles, pine cones, etc.

Yes, they are stupid expensive new, like $10,000- 12,000. However, due to limited demand, they get pretty cheap on the resale market. I got mine for around $1,000 and it was in great condition.


Nice deal on that.



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My problem is getting rid of the leaves. I can windrow them with the blower, but then I have to put them somewhere. Way too many to haul to the dump. Will a leaf shredder grind them up? I have a big chipper, but it doesn't do leaves. I'd buy a shredder if I thought it would work OK. If I leave them on the lawn, they kill the grass.


Right now, the city provides dumpsters. That ends next week. The city will continue to provide leaf pickup in Oct/Nov, from the front yard. I just have to move 40-60 yard^3 of “leaves” to the front yard.




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Wow. You have a lot of patience and perseverance to gather up and haul all that fertilizer in your pickup truck to the local yard waste drop site.

When I lived back east, I had a lot of trees on a 3/4 acre lot. I was in my early 40s then. Left the leaves and grass to decompose on the rear of my property. The, tilled into my garden beds.

I'm guessing that this is not an option for you???
 
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Wow. You have a lot of patience and perseverance to gather up and haul all that fertilizer in your pickup truck to the local yard waste drop site.



When I lived back east, I had a lot of trees on a 3/4 acre lot. I was in my early 40s then. Left the leaves and grass to decompose on the rear of my property. The, tilled into my garden beds.



I'm guessing that this is not an option for you???


Considered it, but don’t think so. The pods don’t decompose. Ginkgo leaves might, eventually, but don’t over the winter. And there’s just too much of it.




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