Plumbing ?, Who makes the best angle stops?

[LXCam]

I'm sick and tired of replacing what were just a one time turn off and on of the junk depot carries. Who makes good angle stops that'll survive a few years of service and actually shut off when needed too. I'm just a few days away from setting trim on a bathroom remodel and have time to order them if needed.

Thanks, Cam

 

[Worsedog]

I've always had decent luck with the 1/4 turn shut offs from the depot. I went to them after the same experience you had. One or two uses of the multi-turns and they either don't turn off or the packing starts to piss all over.

 

[LXCam]

I've always had decent luck with the 1/4 turn shut offs from the depot. I went to them after the same experience you had. One or two uses of the multi-turns and they either don't turn off or the packing starts to piss all over.

That's a good idea. I've never seen a gate valve outlast a ball valve or plunger type on the small stuff. Then again I'm assuming the 1/4 turn is a ball valve style, do you happen to know?

Thanks WD.

 

[K'ledgeBldr]

1/4-turn is definitely the way to go! And yes, they are ball valves.

 

[LXCam]

1/4-turn is definitely the way to go! And yes, they are ball valves.

Excellent, thanks guys.

 

[Firebrick43]

Dahl make the best IMHO. Lifetime warrenty to boot

https://www.supplyhouse.com/Dahl

Supplyhouse is where I buy all my fittings and valves

 

[n20junkie]

Gate valves all have the same issue, leaking stem seals.

I NEVER install a gate valve on anything I own. Ball valves for everything.

 

[ddawg16]

Never heard the term 'angle stops'.

Anyway.....I never use gate valves. 1/4 turn ball is the only way to go.

 

[sixty4]

Always installed brass craft, no issues.

 

[DieselNut88]

1/4 turn Brasscraft is what i use. No problems.

 

[GrayFlattop]

1/4 turn Brasscraft is what i use. No problems.

Another vote for Brasscraft 1/4 turn

 

[LXCam]

Looks like brasscraft has the majority. That's what I'll do.

Thanks again everyone.

 

[jdsac]

Another vote for DAHL - order in advance- they are not avail in box stores. Compare to the junk Brasscraft - no plastic inside. Well worth the trouble to get.

https://www.dahlvalve.com/products/mini-ball-valves.php

 

[sixty4]

Another vote for DAHL - order in advance- they are not avail in box stores. Compare to the junk Brasscraft - no plastic inside. Well worth the trouble to get.

https://www.dahlvalve.com/products/mini-ball-valves.php

The brass craft my plumbing supply house sell are all metal inside?

 

[NUTTSGT]

The only gate valves I have put in are for the washing machine shut offs. I wasn't sure if 1/4 turns would clear the wall. However, in the cellar, there are 1/4 turn ball valve as shut offs before the plumbing goes up through the floor.

 

[Norcal]

The Brasscraft 1/4 turn angle stops are great, only one that has held up to the 160 degree F water in the kitchen at work, water that hot just destroys any rubber.

 

[Jackfre]

I bout ht a bunch of Brasscraft IPS angle stops when we remodeled the house. I'm a plumber by trade starting in the late 60's but haven't worked with the tools in years. I had chrome ******* to the ips angle stops and was surprised that 50% of the stops cracked and leaked. I know how to handle threaded fittings. I went back to my local supplier and was told the problems with many valves was the "low lead" requirements. It was a giant pita, but I ended up going to compression angle stops and for the last 3-4 yrs all is good.

 

[jdsac]

look at the body of the Brasscraft vs the Dahl- you can feel the extra weight+ they are made of American brass

Brasscraft: https://www.brasscraft.com/products...ompression-x-compression-angle-14-turn-stops/

Dahl: https://www.dahlvalve.com/products/mini-ball-valves.php

 

[Miss the Pontiacs]

Quarter turn shark bites or similar. No more soddering. Worth the extra coin in my opinion.

 

[yeldogt]

This boils down to what I like to call "methods of work" . You can go and get the cheapest angle from the big box stores and solder it in place ... it will work. Or you can install a female threaded 90 in the wall and use a chrome ****** and a quality 90 angle valve ... I learned years ago .. I'm in the second camp.

Dahl make what they call a "finish" valve -- it has the stub attached -- but threads onto the wall. I use them when not visible .... anything exposed .. Chicago faucet is my go to.

Dahl was the first around with the ball valve ... honestly .. there is nothing wrong with a good regular valve. I have 40 year old Kohler valves in my house that still work w/o issue.

I never buy anything at HD or Lowes

 

[Bruce 993 SEA]

I have removed dozens of the multi turn angle stops. Most have metal stems and some of the newer ones have plastic stems. I am flat surprised when they seal when the hose for the sink is removed. I always replace them. I always use the 1/4 turn brass craft. Never an issue.

I have also removed all plastic angle stops in grey. Dunno the brand but the stem can snap off and spray water all over until the water is shut off. Ask me how I know.

With 6 rentals and remodeling on my own houses as well as remodel projects for others, I have never had an issue with the 1/4 turn brass craft.

 

[yeldogt]

I have removed dozens of the multi turn angle stops. Most have metal stems and some of the newer ones have plastic stems. I am flat surprised when they seal when the hose for the sink is removed. I always replace them. I always use the 1/4 turn brass craft. Never an issue.

I have also removed all plastic angle stops in grey. Dunno the brand but the stem can snap off and spray water all over until the water is shut off. Ask me how I know.

With 6 rentals and remodeling on my own houses as well as remodel projects for others, I have never had an issue with the 1/4 turn brass craft.

Guess time will tell -- maybe it was the new lead free brass ... or just trying to make things cheaper -- or moving manufacturing. While there were always some quality differences -- the stuff from the big box stores really accelerated the widespread use of junk.

My first problem with Brasscraft is the chrome plate -- it never seems to hold up

 

[cbacres]

I'll add for the brass craft ball valve.

I have well water that's hard and these hold up great. I also use a 1/4 turn on the water spigots.

One thing that everyone should try to do is "exercise " any valves that you have, just a simple turn off/on cycle whenever you think of it. Valves that stay open and that are hardley ever cycled just get crud built up in them and interferes with the seats.

In my work , we service well for city's and counties, 12"-24" valves that never get cycled and then won't seal when trying to turn off! Major money.

 

[Angelfire]

I installed Dahl on my kitchen remodel. Time will tell as they've only been on service for a few months but so far, so good. Purchased from Supplyhouse.com as mentioned earlier in the thread.

Was impressed with their construction and solid feel. The stuff I saw at the box stores just didn't hold a candle to them.

I soldered on male threads to my stub outs and then put the valves on. That way if they do fail, I'm not cutting the stub back to remove (ie. compression fittings). I plan to do this to my other sinks in the house in the future.

Cheers.

 

[Jim_No_Garage]

Last year I switched out a leaking toilet shutoff valve with a "Do It Best" store brand replacement from the local hardware store. By leaking I mean it was leaking out the stem - despite attempting to tighten it. I was happily surprised to find that the replacement was a 1/4 turn valve. I like it as when you need to shut the water off quickly during an "overflow" moment the sooner the water is off the better.

We shall see how durable the replacement valve it. The valve it replaced was installed in 2001 during a full remodel so it lasted 16 years of very little use.

Jim

 

[Jackfre]

This boils down to what I like to call "methods of work" . You can go and get the cheapest angle from the big box stores and solder it in place ... it will work. Or you can install a female threaded 90 in the wall and use a chrome ****** and a quality 90 angle valve ... I learned years ago .. I'm in the second camp.

Dahl make what they call a "finish" valve -- it has the stub attached -- but threads onto the wall. I use them when not visible .... anything exposed .. Chicago faucet is my go to.

Dahl was the first around with the ball valve ... honestly .. there is nothing wrong with a good regular valve. I have 40 year old Kohler valves in my house that still work w/o issue.

I never buy anything at HD or Lowes

I agree with you and as it was my own house I went to the trouble, compared with the modern (quicker) option of using the drop ear female adapters, chrome ****** and the angle stop. That was the way we did it in my years working at the trade. On three of four sinks and one toilet the paper thin angle stop bodies cracked. That, over time, so it was a giant pita, hearing from my bride that there is water in the bottom of the cabinet.

 

[yeldogt]

I agree with you and as it was my own house I went to the trouble, compared with the modern (quicker) option of using the drop ear female adapters, chrome ****** and the angle stop. That was the way we did it in my years working at the trade. On three of four sinks and one toilet the paper thin angle stop bodies cracked. That, over time, so it was a giant pita, hearing from my bride that there is water in the bottom of the cabinet.

Sometimes you learn from others -- sometimes through mistakes. When I was first starting out doing rehabs (college in the 80') there was less junk plumbing around .. maybe less junk of anything. I also worked with some great trades people ... my go to plumbers being brothers who had worked for the father .. they understood that they would be back into a house again .. replacing a water heater 10/15 years later .. maybe twice for the same family. My parents had their house for 50 years before I bought it. So, they did things thinking about the future.

If you are building a house --many of these small upgrades amount to very little but can make things much easier 10 years later. It true in every trade .. I remember the first time I noticed the big outlet switch plates -- WTF?