Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[oldironfarmer]

Been spending a lot of time scraping gasket surfaces. Also pulled the oil pump, and it is a little worn.

I don't think new ones are too expensive, so it will get replaced. It did have a fair amount of gasket material in the screen. The previous builder used lots of gasket sealer.

While it did the job, there was plenty that got away.

I did use one of the aluminum bronze punches to tap loose a rod cap. The bearing was a little worn but really looked pretty good. It think the rod bearings will stay.

A few days ago I got a nice package.

Over seven pounds of zinc.

Thanks Pressingonward!!

 

[Grizz1963]

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THE US POSTAL SERVICE MUST BE WONDERING ABOUT YOUR DELIVERIES


Just had me laughing out for real here at your gift.


This thread has me so addicted.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy its good to see you are going this far with the engine

That's one ugly sump gasket job, if there is one thing I detest an that is using silicone sealer on an engine build.

 

[oldironfarmer]

LOL

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THE US POSTAL SERVICE MUST BE WONDERING ABOUT YOUR DELIVERIES


Just had me laughing out for real here at your gift.


This thread has me so addicted.

Of course you know I personally know both the Postmaster and the Delivery Carrier. We have no secrets. The Delivery Carrier will call my cell phone to ask whether I can meet her to get a heavy package she does not wish to lift, but avoiding leaving me a "sorry we missed you" card. I try to tell them what is in the packages and they get a good laugh. But they do like their brooms

Andy its good to see you are going this far with the engine

That's one ugly sump gasket job, if there is one thing I detest an that is using silicone sealer on an engine build.

Uh oh! I use silicone sealer But very sparingly, really more as adhesive. You can critique my installation shortly.

This guy must have used a full tube on each side of the pan. There was a lot in the oil pump screen which is the real fear.

I'm trying not to pull the heads, but as soon as I do and see a little leakage I'll be glad I did.

Thanks for the visits, guys!

 

[Farmall450]

Andy I saw this 300/400LP.

Someone painted a sidepanel white, indicating a 350/450, hence why I wasn't sure. Definitely isn't a M

 

[tym]

Andy, check out the SuperScraper if you don't already have one. They're great for removing old gaskets.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: great work on the old purple hot rod!

just curious are there any TOXIC FUMES from melting metal especially when you start melting ZINC?

carry on cause you are doing great.

 

[Farmall450]

Uh oh, Andy must be having a busy day!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy I saw this 300/400LP.

Someone painted a sidepanel white, indicating a 350/450, hence why I wasn't sure. Definitely isn't a M

I see, yes it's a 400.

Andy, check out the SuperScraper if you don't already have one. They're great for removing old gaskets.

Haven't seen one, I'm collecting quarters. This is what I use. The old kitchen knife has served me for many many years.

Andy: great work on the old purple hot rod!

just curious are there any TOXIC FUMES from melting metal especially when you start melting ZINC?

carry on cause you are doing great.

Toxic fumes? I don't think so. Other than melting scrap, like window frames with paint, caulk, and rubber or polymer seals. Maybe some of that stuff or the thick black smoke it makes might be bad for you.

Yes, lots of toxic fumes. a respirator is a necessity when melting zinc as you can get the zinc flu pretty easily. It is not lethal and milk is a good antidote. But it still makes you sick. Other things you might encounter (lead in solder, etc.) are quite hazardous and you need to be aware of the potential and take safety precautions.

Uh oh, Andy must be having a busy day!

Very busy, I'm trying to stay on the purplish car to get it done so it won't be a year project.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Busy around the farm, getting hay baled, feeding calves, and working on the purplish car along with household chores. I have made a little progress on the car. The transmission and parts have arrived. It was a chore getting the sealant off the pan gasket area.

I got a lot of gasket material off the last guy left. Tapped out all the holes to get silicone out.

Didn't want to leave stuff in.

I spent a fair amount of time flattening the oil pan. Got it within 0.020" and most 0.010".

No, I didn't pound on it on the granite.

With the new motor mounts on I made some large calipers. I need some now and again so finally made a crude set.

They work well enough to get within 1/16" which is all I need for the new motor mounts. The current ones don't fit well, and are not firmly attached. I need to get triangulated between the motor mounts and the transmission mount to make sure the motor mounts are at the correct angle, distance apart, and lined up with the transmission mount.

Edit: I did have a good friend stop by to look at the engine. He has built race engines for drag racing. He agreed with me that the engine looks fresh and really no reason to pull the heads. We pulled one rod cap. i really thought he would ask me why on earth I was not tearing it down and was ready to if that was his take, but he said he wouldn't (it is not going to be raced).

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy nice work and great attention to detail.

 

[xtremek]

Is this your 3rd cutting on hay? Lucky on the engine tear down, that'll save you a ton of work.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy nice work and great attention to detail.

Thanks, Steve. I don't think you would have let parts of the engine go un-inspected.

Is this your 3rd cutting on hay? Lucky on the engine tear down, that'll save you a ton of work.

First cutting. Native grass only gets cut once and we're late. I used to cut hay all around, and it consumed my entire summer. I still have my small square baler but have been hiring my round bales. I had to change custom balers this year as my old guy decided it would be more profitable to cheat me and delivered me some junk hay. I'm sure he sold mine thinking he would replace it, then other sales and weather got in the way and he baled a place to clean it up and get me some hay. When you're baling on the shares the landowner is due his share from his land, not somebody else's. He might have gotten a second chance (after ten years or so of working for me) had he told me what happened instead of playing dumb and then accusing his help. Can you tell I'm still pissed?

I'm very pleased that the engine was freshly rebuilt and didn't just have bling added on outside.

I'm also working on the single post floor lift for my son. The lift is ready to go but the topworks need painted and the guide rod is stuck in place. I've been putting penetrant on the guide rod and needed to clean up the threads. Rust is hard on taps and I don't have a 5/8" tap so I made saw cuts in a bolt to get by.

It works pretty well, just giving a place for the junk to go. Then to use my slide hammer on the nut I needed to weld a fine thread nut to a bolt. I have a jar of drain cleaner set up to dissolve aluminum from file handles. It works great to remove plating from nuts and bolts too. So instead of grinding the plating off I dunked them for a few hours then rinsed.

Clean metal to weld to.

Thanks for the visits and comments!!

 

[jimreed2160]

No wonder you are put out with your hay guy. From my days in customer service I can tell just by your story that he is jazzing you on and does not give a rip. The proper response would have been, "Gee, Andy. I am sorry. What can I do to make it right?"

And I really dig your calipers. They look handy. A good blacksmith could make a more durable set.

Still enjoying your clever work.

 

[oldironfarmer]

No wonder you are put out with your hay guy. From my days in customer service I can tell just by your story that he is jazzing you on and does not give a rip. The proper response would have been, "Gee, Andy. I am sorry. What can I do to make it right?"

And I really dig your calipers. They look handy. A good blacksmith could make a more durable set.

Still enjoying your clever work.

But where do you find a good blacksmith these days?

 

[Hubscrub66]

What do you want for Christmas? Ah, some scrap metal would be great!

 

[jblnut]

Once the purple car gets back on it's rubber feet you should have a photo shoot with it and the show truck. Be neat to see both types of "fixed up" out at the Martin ranch

 

[Bob Heine]

I got a lot of gasket material off the last guy left. Tapped out all the holes to get silicone out.

Didn't want to leave stuff in.

With the new motor mounts on I made some large calipers. I need some now and again so finally made a crude set.

They work well enough to get within 1/16" which is all I need for the new motor mounts. The current ones don't fit well, and are not firmly attached. I need to get triangulated between the motor mounts and the transmission mount to make sure the motor mounts are at the correct angle, distance apart, and lined up with the transmission mount.

Andy, you are moving along nicely with the Purplish Power-Plant. I now know enough about drill and tap sizes to get myself in trouble so I'll ask about using that tap to clean the threads. I bought a set of thread chasers after being told that taps cut and chasers clean. Maybe someone steered me wrong. https://www.toolsid.com/lang-tools/...RUWO-wyzhFDT9o4pUmoY_OStfwVMnv4RoCswYQAvD_BwE

I see your crude calipers and raise you a tape and paper towel tube set.

 

[Farmall450]

I admire your effort in not having a year long project on that car.

That's too bad about your hay guy; why did he take all of the hay off your field in the first place? Wouldn't he only haul out the 1/2 or whatever that he earned?

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy (definitely HANDY): while I always enjoy your creative GET R DONE attitude and stuff you make i bet if you lived a bit closer i'd let you borrow this LITTLE CALIPER I have hanging on my garage wall.

sorry to hear about the hay fiasco and in life there always seem to be people and things that challenge us so sounds like you maybe just need to find a NEW GUY.

good luck with that and ENJOY YOUR SUNDAY (REST DAY MAYBE?)

 

[xtremek]

.........I have a jar of drain cleaner set up to dissolve aluminum from file handles. It works great to remove plating from nuts and bolts too. So instead of grinding the plating off I dunked them for a few hours then rinsed.

Clean metal to weld to.

Thanks for the visits and comments!!

So I want to weld some conduit to some to mimic headers. Do you think your trick work for what I want to do?

 

[oldironfarmer]

What do you want for Christmas? Ah, some scrap metal would be great!

Well duh. That's not news. Doesn't everyone want scrap metal?

Once the purple car gets back on it's rubber feet you should have a photo shoot with it and the show truck. Be neat to see both types of "fixed up" out at the Martin ranch

OK, I'll try to remember, but I'll be older then.

Andy, you are moving along nicely with the Purplish Power-Plant. I now know enough about drill and tap sizes to get myself in trouble so I'll ask about using that tap to clean the threads. I bought a set of thread chasers after being told that taps cut and chasers clean. Maybe someone steered me wrong. https://www.toolsid.com/lang-tools/...RUWO-wyzhFDT9o4pUmoY_OStfwVMnv4RoCswYQAvD_BwE

I see your crude calipers and raise you a tape and paper towel tube set.

I don't know much about thread chasers. I don't own any and only have a cheap tap and die set, and a few good taps. I do have one of the square files for chasing external threads. You can clean internal threads with a tap and not damage them if you use plenty of lubricant. But rust is very hard on taps and they won't cut well after cleaning a rusty hole. If the start of the thread is bad you need to tap from the other side. If you can't come from the other side maybe a thread chaser would be of value. I think thread chasers are actually an unnecessary gimmick tool, but I'm no expert.

I admire your effort in not having a year long project on that car.

That's too bad about your hay guy; why did he take all of the hay off your field in the first place? Wouldn't he only haul out the 1/2 or whatever that he earned?

The field is 16 miles from the house. He got 2/3 of the hay and I would pay him to deliver the balance. This is not a big farming area and the few of us that do mostly know each other. There's a lot of trust for most operations, I never even saw the hay in the field. I'm sure he was short making a sale so sold my part, figured he could find some good hay to replace it with (which would have been ok with me had he told me) and then couldn't replace it so he lied to me. For the last time. I'll sell out before I let him have another chance at cheating me. Same with his helper.

Andy (definitely HANDY): while I always enjoy your creative GET R DONE attitude and stuff you make i bet if you lived a bit closer i'd let you borrow this LITTLE CALIPER I have hanging on my garage wall.

sorry to hear about the hay fiasco and in life there always seem to be people and things that challenge us so sounds like you maybe just need to find a NEW GUY.

good luck with that and ENJOY YOUR SUNDAY (REST DAY MAYBE?)

Pretty nice calipers! Is that a 24" set? Do you use them much? I'll use these to avoid clamping two framing squares together then use a ruler to measure the difference. That works pretty well and sometimes where a caliper won't.

Yeah, no hay fiasco, just theft. For instance, you have no right to spend someone's earnest money even if you plan to replace it, and when you can't replace it, you've stolen it.

So I want to weld some conduit to some to mimic headers. Do you think your trick work for what I want to do?

Concentrated lye eats aluminum, zinc, and more slowly, cadmium. Conduit should be zinc coated so lye will eat it pretty fast and does not attack the steel. It takes about an hour to clean a loaded file. Rinse well after use.

Thanks for the visits, guys!

 

[Toothaker]

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Rust is hard on taps and I don't have a 5/8" tap so I made saw cuts in a bolt to get by.

It works pretty well, just giving a place for the junk to go.
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Ok, Andy, I am SO stealing that idea. There's been more than once where I wanted a disposable thread chaser. That is cool.

 

[tym]

Ok, Andy, I am SO stealing that idea. There's been more than once where I wanted a disposable thread chaser. That is cool.

My dad taught me that trick and it works a treat! Helped with many a rusty threaded hole in the '69 Tarp Camaro.

 

[Toothaker]

My dad taught me that trick and it works a treat! Helped with many a rusty threaded hole in the '69 Tarp Camaro.

I learn so much around here. Of course, from Andy here in his thread, but also from a lot of others, all over GJ. I try to give credit to the one that showed something that I learned from. But of course, not every idea is original. I'm just grateful someone passed it along.

 

[mfg0772]

Andy - I was cleaning up my shop this weekend and was going though an old tool box I had bought a few years back. I had never gone through it all the way and lo and behold, I find an aluminum hammer.

Carr Lane Mfg St. Louis MO Aluminum Hammer No. 2

I found their website and it looks like they even have CAD files available for download. https://www.carrlane.com/en-us/product/clamps-accessories/hammers-hand-tools/no-mar-aluminum-hammers/cl-2-nmh/qty/1

Thought you would find this interesting although still not as impressive as the original Andyluminum Hammers.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Ok, Andy, I am SO stealing that idea. There's been more than once where I wanted a disposable thread chaser. That is cool.

Glad I can at least be a bad example! Don't forget the lots of lubricant part.

My dad taught me that trick and it works a treat! Helped with many a rusty threaded hole in the '69 Tarp Camaro.

While nobody showed me that, it's a pretty obvious thing to do. I used to grind the grooves with a cutoff wheel but that left a lot of flashing to be cleaned up. The port-a-band clone doesn't take much cleanup. It also helps if you can angle the cut to give some relief under the tips of the threads.

I learn so much around here. Of course, from Andy here in his thread, but also from a lot of others, all over GJ. I try to give credit to the one that showed something that I learned from. But of course, not every idea is original. I'm just grateful someone passed it along.

GJ is a great resource. So much of saving time and doing a better job is just common sense, but seeing how others used their common sense to tackle a problem foster more thinking on everyone's part. What I like most is seeing a tip and then being able to adapt it to a different task altogether. I learn a lot here.

Andy - I was cleaning up my shop this weekend and was going though an old tool box I had bought a few years back. I had never gone through it all the way and lo and behold, I find an aluminum hammer.

Carr Lane Mfg St. Louis MO Aluminum Hammer No. 2

I found their website and it looks like they even have CAD files available for download. https://www.carrlane.com/en-us/product/clamps-accessories/hammers-hand-tools/no-mar-aluminum-hammers/cl-2-nmh/qty/1

Thought you would find this interesting although still not as impressive as the original Andyluminum Hammers.

Well that's just super cool! I hope you get some use out of it. That would be nice for bumping shafts on farm equipment. Lot's of long shafts with bearings on each end and getting the new bearings lined up to seat with a heavy shaft (with lots of stuff on it) can require a hammer.

Between doctor's visits and cattle I didn't even get into the shop yesterday. Took my old sacks to refill to Stockman's Mill in Pawnee, OK. An excellent locally owned mill who will custom grind what you want, but I do well with their standard mixtures. I brought home a ton of 20% for the calves I've weaned and ordered two tons of 39% in used sacks. If you take care of sacks when you handle them and open them they will give you $0.35 each when they refill them for you. That's $14 per ton which helps pay for fuel. Sometimes I get 7 trips out of a paper feed sack.

 

[Grizz1963]

Funny how those pennies make us happier than the dollars.

I love the feeling of simple savings.

 

[jblnut]

Funny how those pennies make us happier than the dollars.

I love the feeling of simple savings.

I always figure things down to pennies and will make many types of decisions based on what pennies add up to. However, when I am at an auction it seems that mentality goes out the window and I put my number on a big stick so I can wave it the highest of anyone there

My Grandpa always said "If you don't watch your pennies your dollars will blow away" .....

 

[xtremek]

I remember going to the mill with my dad and getting our corn ground into feed for the pigs. Used 100lb. burlap bags, over and over and over and....... I think he still has some stashed around the barn. Eventually he added in some plastic ones. I was always amazed how fast those guys could tie off a bag. Great memories. Thanks for the trip into my past

 

[Farmall450]

I always figure things down to pennies and will make many types of decisions based on what pennies add up to. However, when I am at an auction it seems that mentality goes out the window and I put my number on a big stick so I can wave it the highest of anyone there

My Grandpa always said "If you don't watch your pennies your dollars will blow away" .....

That's a worthy quote.

Andy, I didn't know Parks & Rec(reation) was set in OK!
(Pawnee, get it??)

 

[oldironfarmer]

Funny how those pennies make us happier than the dollars.

I love the feeling of simple savings.

Me too. I sometimes have trouble with the math, am I saving 35 cents every time, or 17.5 cents the second time? I claim 35 cents every time I don't buy a new bag.

I always figure things down to pennies and will make many types of decisions based on what pennies add up to. However, when I am at an auction it seems that mentality goes out the window and I put my number on a big stick so I can wave it the highest of anyone there

My Grandpa always said "If you don't watch your pennies your dollars will blow away" .....

Ben Franklin learned from your grandpa and said "mind the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves".

But you do have to modify your scale at the right time. Trying to buy a $5,000 piece of equipment for $1,500 and letting it go at $1,600 may not be the best decision.

I remember going to the mill with my dad and getting our corn ground into feed for the pigs. Used 100lb. burlap bags, over and over and over and....... I think he still has some stashed around the barn. Eventually he added in some plastic ones. I was always amazed how fast those guys could tie off a bag. Great memories. Thanks for the trip into my past

It's my life now. We have another feed mill in the country near Skeedee, OK (pop 48) that does custom grinding while you wait. Stockman's will but only to order in advance. Both of them are great places to do business. Don't know how long they'll be in business but I support them while they are.

Finally got in the shop, and looking at the flex plate I may have found the original problem. Looks like a bolt had been rattling around between the flex plate and the block.

After looking at the ring gear wear I bought a new one. $23.99, I'm a big spender.

Got the torque converter in and the transmission mounted.

I need to get the transmission mount to motor mount dimensions to set up new motor mounts. One step at a time.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: your engine ****** looks great. nice to see you making a ton of progress and also maybe found a few issues and improvements you can make to the purple car before you return it to you son. man you are HANDY!!

you are also a waste not want not kind of guy too which is a lot like me cause i'm always digging around in my old piles of stuff and finding stuff I can use instead of heading to buy a new one.

I truly wish I had all the free storage space you do, but then i'd probably just own more stuff i'd have to spend time thinking about.

take care and keep up the great work!!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Looking good Andy

 

[dchance]

Andy,
Had to look that one up. I had never heard of Skeedee. Glad to see progress being made and hope your visits turned out well.

Dwight

 

[Farmall450]

Can't go wrong for $24, you'll save that in bags this year!

 

[bolensboneyard]

Now you will have to repaint the hot rod Andy! Engine/trans. soooo pretty.

 

[jbmatth]

You have to love SBC parts prices, and the ease of working on them. The flexplate in my truck would have been a couple hundred dollars if I didn't have a spare laying around, same for the starter. The engine and trans look sharp Andy, I look forward to seeing your future progress on the purple-ish car.
JB

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy: your engine ****** looks great. nice to see you making a ton of progress and also maybe found a few issues and improvements you can make to the purple car before you return it to you son. man you are HANDY!!

you are also a waste not want not kind of guy too which is a lot like me cause i'm always digging around in my old piles of stuff and finding stuff I can use instead of heading to buy a new one.

I truly wish I had all the free storage space you do, but then i'd probably just own more stuff i'd have to spend time thinking about.

take care and keep up the great work!!

Thanks Drives! I had trouble using my stock before I retired, I just wanted to add to it. Now I'd rather use it.

I don't, however, have any free storage. I paid for each acre of ground I cover with junk.

Looking good Andy

Thank you, Steve. I was kind of surprised that this was an all new transmission, not even a GM case.

Andy,
Had to look that one up. I had never heard of Skeedee. Glad to see progress being made and hope your visits turned out well.

Dwight

Nice statue downtown of an Osage Indian chief and a gentleman who was an auctioneer selling oil leases for the Osage Nation. The Osage got rich on oil. You may have heard of Quay or Lela. We have a local dog named Lela, after Camp Lela, a church camp for children at Lela, Oklahoma. Pictures at 11:00.

Can't go wrong for $24, you'll save that in bags this year!

I've blown my bag windfall.

Now you will have to repaint the hot rod Andy! Engine/trans. soooo pretty.

Thanks, Bobby! But I think it's going to get some miles on it before it gets new paint. It has a really good 25 ft paint job.

You have to love SBC parts prices, and the ease of working on them. The flexplate in my truck would have been a couple hundred dollars if I didn't have a spare laying around, same for the starter. The engine and trans look sharp Andy, I look forward to seeing your future progress on the purple-ish car.
JB

Yes, and they're good engines. O'Reilly's had the flex plate in the store in Cleveland. That is availability. You had a flex plate because you're in the salvage business. Lots of salvage yard guys have done very well putting several vehicles together to make a few good ones. I love the concept and you're doing well, even if you can't yet admit you have that business line. I like the spillover too.

I'm looking for more progress too. It's around here somewhere. But I have a monthly retiree luncheon for old Williams Brothers Engineering Company employees today. I really enjoy seeing those old guys. It just about takes all day.

Thanks for the visits and comments guys. That car should have been together by now but I'm not rushing it.

 

[oldironfarmer]

That's a worthy quote.

Andy, I didn't know Parks & Rec(reation) was set in OK!
(Pawnee, get it??)

Sadly I don't get it. Never saw the show, but I fear there is a pun here somewhere. Don't you hate it when you overshoot your audience?