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What tools would you consider Irwin Tools to be a category leader?

Tap/die sets and bolt extractors (Irwin Hanson)?
Drill bits (Speedbor, Unibit)?
Chalk lines?
Irwin Marples?

What about Lenox Tools? Obviously saw blades … what about their hand tools?

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Let me phrase it differently ... if you were SBD, what would you do with these brands? Which lines would you invest in and develop, and which lines would you eliminate?
 
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Irwin Marples is not a patch on how good Marples used to be, I don't think Irwin is the best at anything, they do a lot of stuff that is ok for reasonable cost but thats about it.
 

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Lenox seems to make very high quality hole saws and reciprocating saw blades. I've been very happy with them in my (non-professional) use so far
 

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Irwin ruins everything they get their grubby hands on. I try very hard to not buy anything Irwin branded. Hopefully SBD can turn around their reputation.

Newell Rubbermaid absolutely trashed their tool brands, ethics wise. Vise-Grip used to be a good brand, now they are GARBAGE. I can't stand it when these corporate conglomerates buy a company, shut down the factory, cheapen the product, extract as much profit as possible, then dump it a few years later.

Newell Rubbermaid didn't have as many years owning Lenox to ruin them, so they still made some decent stuff. I think they make a decent industrial saw blade and their pipe cutters are pretty nice. I'm not holding my breath that SBD will not totally screw the pooch on these brands, but we'll see.
 

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Hahaha... Irwin these days is garbage across the board. Vice Grips, Hanson Taps and dies, and Record vices to name a few used to be excellent. Anything Irwin touches turns to excrement. Stanley is equally bad at managing it's acquisitions. Mac these days is a joke, Husky and Blackhawk are now Made in China, Porter Cable seems to be having some sort of identity crisis, and the list goes on.
It already has too many brands on it's hands and it had to buy Craftsman. If I were Stanley, I'd cut down on the overlapping products and build a distinct brand identity around each brand.
 
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I'm with them guys. Anything Irwin is just a step above complete ****. Lennox does or maybe used too make excellent saw blades and hole saws. It's been a few years since I've bought any so I'm not sure about their quality now.
 

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If you were SBD, what would you do with these brands? Which lines would you invest in and develop, and which lines would you eliminate?

Its not as simple as keeping and eliminating brands, its a lot more complicated than that. For the most part, the damage has been done. Take Record vise for instance. They used to be an English made, super high quality, industrial bench vise. Now, they're a crappy Chinese casting that I would be ashamed to own, much less put in my shop and expect to last 50 years. They could be almost free and I still wouldn't take them. Irwin took the Record name and ground it into the dirt. You want to bring Record back? Open a foundry in England. Employ skilled tradesman at good wages and charge an appropriate price for your product that reflects the manufacturing. If you did that all tomorrow, it would take YEARS to recover the reputation of Record from all the shoddy, bad vises on the market today.

Don't be part of the race to the bottom. Good customers aren't afraid to spend money, especially with something that is a quality, durable good.

Lots of brands that Irwin has re-branded over the years were small companies that focused their energy on making a quality product, above all else. They were small town companies, keeping people employed in their hometowns. I have ZERO respect for a company that rides solely on reputation of the name (which they didn't make, they bought), without backing it up with a quality product with good manufacturing ethics.

If you purchase a brand that has a good reputation, grow it. Feed it, add capital and investment. Don't shell it out for cash and then dump it.

I realize its a global economy, and there are a lot of benefits to trade. But it just rubs US buyers wrong when you take beloved brands like Vise-Grip and shut the factory down, cheapen the product, and then import them from China. I'd pay twice as much for good quality, US made vise grips.

So, if you work at SBD, which I assume you do, here's my advice. I'm not a fiscal wizard, nor am I an uber successful corporate CEO. I own a small business, and I directly work with manufacturing in the US. So take that for what its worth.

Quality above all else. ALL ELSE. People will put up with a lot as long as **** works. I won't use Irwin Unibits. They ****. But Lenox Vari-bits are the best money can buy. Same corporate umbrella, incredibly different products. Irwin didn't buy Record because they made a ****** product. But In the name of greed, Record became ******. The unfortunate thing is quality and cost go hand in hand. The good stuff costs more. That's ok. That's what your product tiers are for.

You need product tiers. Tools for home gamers, tools for contractors, and tools for industry. SBD has a lot of this already. There can be some overlap, but not everyone can afford to or wants to pay $600 for a bench vise. Don't cheap out on the tools the contractors and industry uses because you want to sell Record vises to home shop guys. Keep Record industrial quality, and make NEW vises under the Irwin or another name that are cheap.

COO matters to a lot of US consumers. I work in American manufacturing. I will pay more to support US manufacturing, because I am part of the US economy. When US manufacturing is strong, I get more customers, and therefore more money to spend in the US economy, and the cycle continues. Shuttering factories and killing jobs for a few more bucks profit is just ****** ethics. Greed. And we as consumers see that, and it reflects poorly on you as a manufacturer.


So. In summary.
1.Make quality tools.
2. Respect brands you've purchased, because they have history. Don't cheapen them for a quick buck.
3. Use good manufacturing and business ethics.
 
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1.Irwin makes good taps and die sets,extractors ,bother the spiral type and the bolt out type that can be turned with a wrench or ratchet. Some of tool trucks rebrand these items.

2. The pliers/cutters that Irwin rebrands from NWS are good quality,I just broke the tips on my diagonal cutters ,but they were like a hot knife through butter on anything prior to breaking the tips,but I am still using them.

3. Lennox makes good hacksaw frames,blades,hole saws,tubing cutters,10 in 1 screwdrivers are quality,utility knife blades, they make a copy of the turbo torch that works well.
Lennox seems positioned toward the HVAC/plumbing trade and I think that is where they excel.
 

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Capitalizing on the good will and good names of previously high quality tool makers (e.g. Vise-Grip, Record, etc.) in order to sell **** tools to the unsuspecting.

Wow that was my first thought too as I just returned from Lowes minutes ago.

Like LX said, not complete **** but a look at those Irwin Record vises leaves one wonder what exactly about it is Irwin, and what is Record other than the color maybe.
 

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I'm with dr_clyde in assuming you work for SBD, and I don't really have any real advice on Irwin or Lenox (think Irwin is too far ruined to save, think Keith Fenner hawking Lenox is an interesting step).

I do have a request: Please, please don't use the Craftsman acquistion as a reason to kill off the Blackhawk brand. I think you're putting C-man in the right outlets, but also put some backing in Blackhawk and get it into parts stores, NAPA, Welding Stores, etc where it can take a big chunk out of Gearwrench!!!!
 
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Lennox is okay to great tools focused on the plumbing, HVAC, and tin bending trades.

Irwin used to be satisfactory taps and dies, and okay construction tools. Now I can't think of the last time I bought an Irwin tool intentionally.
 

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My set of Lennox step bits have been some of the best I have used...

not sure if they still are tho?
 

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What became of the original Vice Grip factory? Was it repurposed? Sold?

I'd pay damn good money for US made Vice grips to be available again

Edit- appears it was purchased by Malco to manufacture products
 
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Irwin to me is a real brand not a zombie brand. Most industrial places have a full wall selection of Irwin and Lennox. I can walk in to the 10 closet brick and mortar stores and they will all have some Irwin and to a lesser extent Lennox .

Lennox has some good stuff and some lesser quality. Irwin is more consistent and what i depend on if the job needs to get done. New Vise-Grips, silver and deming drills, Record vises, auger bits, screwdriver bits. utility knifes, reciprocating blades and other tools

For example: some wide piece of equipment knocks over a fence post and gate. Need a auger bit. Go to the store and they have Irwin and DeWalt bits. I rather have the Irwin made in Brazil bit than the DeWalt made in China.

if you want a non swivel 6" vise, what choice have you got for new. Record is similar price to other import English style brands. If a 6" Irwin is junk, what new American style import non swivel 70 lb vise would you use?

I have a different feeling toward factory closures than some people. There has been so many up here close that you cant loose sleep over it or not buy from that company. Snap-on has closed 2 factory's, Makita a power tool plant, SBD closed Beach tool box plant in Canada. Main reason cheaper labor and less employee benefits in the US. The raw materials are actually cheaper in Canada
 

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1.Irwin makes good taps and die sets,extractors ,bother the spiral type and the bolt out type that can be turned with a wrench or ratchet. Some of tool trucks rebrand these items.

2. The pliers/cutters that Irwin rebrands from NWS are good quality,I just broke the tips on my diagonal cutters ,but they were like a hot knife through butter on anything prior to breaking the tips,but I am still using them.

3. Lennox makes good hacksaw frames,blades,hole saws,tubing cutters,10 in 1 screwdrivers are quality,utility knife blades, they make a copy of the turbo torch that works well.
Lennox seems positioned toward the HVAC/plumbing trade and I think that is where they excel.

Irwin taps and dies are extremely brittle. If you go on youtube and watch German tool review's video on those NWS rebrands, he claims that Irwin even messed up the rebrand.
 

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Phone: 402-223-7400

Those used to be the best tin snips in the world. Irwin bought the company and killed it.
 

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2008 Stanley Works (Proto) closes the Beach tool box factory in Ontario, Canada because it want to get out of the consumer box bushiness and concentrate on higher earning items

2017 Stanley Black and Decker (DeWalt) buys the Waterloo tool box factory in Missouri, USA and wants to compete in the retail tool box market

Big companys will do what they want, but both Lennox and Irwin have a lot of tools that are unique and should not be eliminated. Different countrys have different views and I assume Irwin is a world wide brand. Like Tekton or HF is important to most Americans, they are zombie brands or meaningless to most people in Canada or England
 
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What tools would you consider Irwin Tools to be a category leader?

Tap/die sets and bolt extractors (Irwin Hanson)?
Drill bits (Speedbor, Unibit)?
Chalk lines?
Irwin Marples?

What about Lenox Tools? Obviously saw blades … what about their hand tools?

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Let me phrase it differently ... if you were SBD, what would you do with these brands? Which lines would you invest in and develop, and which lines would you eliminate?


Marketing analysis, I mean the even got a guy on GJ, so they must be doing something right!
 

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Capitalizing on the good will and good names of previously high quality tool makers (e.g. Vise-Grip, Record, etc.) in order to sell **** tools to the unsuspecting.



Only 4 posts in and this guy nails it...
 

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From my experience for a general use tap and die set, Irwin stuff is still a good option. Their extractors still work fine. Unibits still work fine. Other than the finish, honestly fine the newer vise grips work the same as the old ones do. Don't own really anything else of theirs. For holesaws, sawzall blades and hacksaw blades, Lennox seems pretty good to me. While I could grumble about things, seems enough people have already that I don't know if I'd say anything new.
 

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Let me phrase it differently ... if you were SBD, what would you do with these brands? Which lines would you invest in and develop, and which lines would you eliminate?

I'd say the only areas where Irwin's reputation isn't completely shot would be taps/dies/extractors and the hand woodworking products. The Vise-Grip brand might be salvageable if they stop diluting it and stick to QUALITY locking pliers. But if the quality isn't there, don't bother with any of it.

For Lennox I'd just focus on saws/blades/cutting tools.

SBD has enough brands that they can focus them on what they're know for without missing market segments.
 
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