The VISES of Garage Journal

[va.grouseman]

This info at bottom of the page was posted by B100 on the ("American Scale 4 1/2 vise") thread.---Post 19.

Autopts sold me a #25, and this weight sounds about right, but I've never actually weighed mine.---It's a beast.


They also made a #25 Red Seal.---Mine is just a plain #25.


B100 has a good American Scale History in post 13 of the same thread.



I was writing down the numbers for awhile when I'd see one on e-bay or Craigslist. There were several others that I recall seeing, but never wrote down.

No2: open screw, anvil horn, round knob, opens about 2 3/4 inches, swivel base
No3: open screw, anvil horn, round knob
No4: 4" jaw, open screw, anvil horn, round knob, swivel base

N010: 3 3/4" jaw, 5" opening, 31lbs, fixed base, round knob
No15: covered screw, round knob, might have a swivel base
No30: small vise, small anvil, horn, cylinder knob, open screw
No40: small vise w/pipe jaws, anvil, horn , open screw
No45: similar to No4
No50: open screw, swivel base, anvil/horn, 5” jaw, 40lbs
No50C (or 500): same as No50
No55: no info

No20: weird anvil vise wi/drilling hole through dyn jaw 43lbs
No5: 4" jaw, opens 5", same style as no20 34.2lbs

No?: 8” jaw with 14” opening fixed base (looks kinda like mine above without the swivel parts)

No53N: American Scale/Red Seal, fixed base (need size info)
No54: American Scale/Red Seal, 4.5" jaw, 9 3/4" opening, 9" height, fixed base
No56: American Scale/Red Seal, 6" jaw, 12" opening, fixed base
No61C: American Scale/Red Seal, 3" jaw, 35lbs, swivel base
No62C: American Scale/Red Seal, 3 1/2" jaw, 6 1/2" opening, swivel base
No64: American Scale/Red Seal, 4" jaw, 8" opening, swivel base, 11" height, , handle length 13 1/2", 79 lbs
No64: American Scale/Red Seal, 4.5" jaw, 10.25" high, 3.5" from top of jaw to screw cover, 13" length of screw cover from jaw face to end, swivel base, 75 lbs
No66: American Scale/Red Star, 6” jaw, 14” opening
No?: American Scale/Red Seal, 4” jaw,
No75H: American Scale/Red Seal, 4.5" swivel jaw, 7" opening, 3.5" depth, swivel base, 60 lbs
Red Seal 110 66: American Scale/Red Seal, 6" jaw, 24" length, 13 1/2" height, swivel base (looks like vise in post 13, but no swivel jaw)

No79: Swivel base, swivel jaw, 190lbs, 6” jaw, 11” opening (pic in post 13)
No78: same as No79, 5" jaw, opens 11", 11 5/8 H, 26" length, 120lbs
No?: fixed base, 8 1/4 jaw, 36" length, see pics here
No88(?): AM Scale / Red Seal, 8 3/8" jaw, 350lbs, 34" overall length, 16" high, handle 25 1/2" [ebay listing said it had Coaly & Co.,KC Mo on one side, but the pic shows AM SCALE CO]

No22: 3 1/2" jaw, pipe jaws, 17" length, 10" height
No23A: see above, 4.5" jaw, pipe jaws, swivel base
No25: 6" jaw, pipe jaws, 26" length, 15 1/2" height, 200 lbs. ~ swivel base.

 

[gman007]

Chris and VA
Oddly enough the vise spread sheet lists the
American Scale 25 as 75 1/2lb with 5 1/2" jaws, but just looking at Chris's photo, this is rather puzzling and sounds off!

In fact from the spread sheet here is the supposed list of all of the combo American scales including #25

 

[4Nines]

Do not forget that your 800N does not have a base. C3 has a base which I am GUESSING alone might weigh who knows may be 15-25lb.

PS
There could also be a weight variation over the years and depending on the age of C3 there might be different weights.

Good point on the base.

I could only find info on a Prentiss 185 so I assume the 186 on the list above was a typo?

 

[Splinterd1]

Any of you ever ship a vise cross country before?
I'm currently selling my Morgan #40, and I don't want to go overboard on the packaging, but at the same time don't want something that will break apart in transit.
What do you suggest? Maybe some plywood on the outside, reinforced at the corners? Maybe a crosspiece tightened in the jaws and screwed to the side?
-Splinterd1

 

[gman007]

Good point on the base.

I could only find info on a Prentiss 185 so I assume the 186 on the list above was a typo?

If we go by what is listed in the vise spread sheet, 186 exists and is not a typo

Prentiss USA 186 240 lb 7"

while there is no link for a photo in the spreadsheet, generally the listings in the spread sheet are fairly accurate.

 

[Splinterd1]

I'm may be looking around for a nice swivel base vise (4" jaws).
Although I may put it off until after I move in 6 months, unless I find a really good deal.

 

[KMScott]

If we go by what is listed in the vise spread sheet, 186 exists and is not a typo

Prentiss USA 186 240 lb 7"

while there is no link for a photo in the spreadsheet, generally the listings in the spread sheet are fairly accurate.

The listings without a photo's are generally taken from catalog pages. Any errors let me know I'll fix them. I'll look at VA's list later tonight.

 

[Splinterd1]

I just posted my Morgan #40 (Chicago), for sale e-bay.

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...29466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg&toolid=11111

-Splinterd1

 

[4Nines]

The listings without a photo's are generally taken from catalog pages. Any errors let me know I'll fix them. I'll look at VA's list later tonight.

Here's a catalog for the 185.

https://archive.org/details/PrentissVises1914

 

[Fierljeppen]

Very nice list gman!

I don't have a catalog page or the weight but I can assure you guys this 6" jaw American Scale no. 25 I saw would fit in that list somewhere. It's missing it's pipe jaws and swivel base but should be north of 200lbs.

Anybody have a catalog scan on it?

I also added a Morgan scan that makes the list.

It seems like va.grouseman has a vise for every vise conversation that comes up on any thread.

 

[4Nines]

I really need help finding a vise to fit my New Britain Portable Vise stand. If anyone would be gracious enough to check their collections I would be more than appreciative! I've been looking for about a year now with no luck and I've probably measured hundreds of vises :/

Here's template of the base. What makes it odd is that all the mounting holes are exactly 8.75'' on center apart from each other. I'm almost certain it is a swivel base because of the round appearance between the mounting holes.

 

[gman007]

I also added a Morgan scan that makes the list.

It seems like va.grouseman has a vise for every vise conversation that comes up on any thread.

And similarly you seem to have the authoritive catalogue for every vise known to man which is greatly appreciated by all here

Ps
You would’nt happen to have a catalog for Wilton C3 by any chance?

 

[KMScott]

Here's a catalog for the 185.

https://archive.org/details/PrentissVises1914

Thanks 4Nines. Filled in a few blanks with your Catalog.

 

[chrisnazzy]

I also added a Morgan scan that makes the list.

It seems like va.grouseman has a vise for every vise conversation that comes up on any thread.

And when it comes to catalog scans that don't come up on a Google or GJ search, you are our man!

I've never seen anything on American Scale vises and I've looked on a half dozen occasions over the last year. Thank you for posting this!

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[MayerMR]

Hi folks, I'm new to GJ and I keep returning to this thread to look at your vises and read up on the great info and history, it's really helpful and much appreciated. I've recently started a small collection and I've been fortunate to find some locally in pretty good shape for decent prices. I've been helped a lot by a fellow member (MayerMR) who has the patience of a saint, has been willing to share what he knows, and has a great passion for vises.... not to mention he's a terrific enabler (in a good way, right?) for a new collector like me.

I'd like to share a recent find which was kind of an afterthought as I was picking up a couple other vises, I noticed this little vise blending in to the other rusty rubble on this guy's front porch and he was glad to let it go. It's similar to the Miller's Falls example from a few pages ago, but I can find no markings as to the maker anywhere on it. Neat little vise.

Possibly one of these?

akasrick

Rick,

I was looking at your posted image, and the Miller Falls post from a few pages back (which I've quoted below), and I thought the vise looked more like a Miller Falls vise, but maybe from a different era than the post by rusty65. Do you, or anyone reading this really, have any other catalogs from Miller Falls or even any other thoughts on what this mystery oval slide vise could be?

Your oval slide vise is a millers falls brand. The vise should be stamped on the moving jaw on the top part of the jaw.

 

[MayerMR]

I really need help finding a vise to fit my New Britain Portable Vise stand. If anyone would be gracious enough to check their collections I would be more than appreciative! I've been looking for about a year now with no luck and I've probably measured hundreds of vises :/

Here's template of the base. What makes it odd is that all the mounting holes are exactly 8.75'' on center apart from each other. I'm almost certain it is a swivel base because of the round appearance between the mounting holes.

4Nines,

I can't help you with the vise that fits that stand like a glove, but have you considered making an adapter plate to just fit a more standard vise?

 

[Fierljeppen]

And similarly you seem to have the authoritive catalogue for every vise known to man which is greatly appreciated by all here.

You would’nt happen to have a catalog for Wilton C3 by any chance?

When I first started searching for vise catalog scans about -6- yrs. ago, I thought after -1- week of searching that I found everything that was available. Turns out that I just wasn't an effective Google searcher. Because of this hobby, I've become much more proficient with regard to any Google search, which has been a really good thing for me.

Trust me when I say that there are thousands of vise catalog scans out there for everyone, in just the Public Domain of Google.

I've got enough catalog scans for now. va.grouseman's made me hungry to go hunting for some selective American iron again!

 

[rusty65]

Rick,



I was looking at your posted image, and the Miller Falls post from a few pages back (which I've quoted below), and I thought the vise looked more like a Miller Falls vise, but maybe from a different era than the post by rusty65. Do you, or anyone reading this really, have any other catalogs from Miller Falls or even any other thoughts on what this mystery oval slide vise could be?

Here is a picture from a miller falls catalog from circa 1920.


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[gman007]

When I first started searching for vise catalog scans about -6- yrs. ago, I thought after -1- week of searching that I found everything that was available. Turns out that I just wasn't an effective Google searcher. Because of this hobby, I've become much more proficient with regard to any Google search, which has been a really good thing for me.

Trust me when I say that there are thousands of vise catalog scans out there for everyone, in just the Public Domain of Google.

I've got enough catalog scans for now. va.grouseman's made me hungry to go hunting for some selective American iron again!

Fierleppen
Thanks much

 

[MayerMR]

Here is a picture from a miller falls catalog from circa 1920.

Thanks rusty, doesn't seem to be any of those either as woolfat's vise as a meatball rather than a cylinder and two protruding tabs on either side for mounting to the table. The mystery continues...

 

[akasrick]

Rick,

I was looking at your posted image, and the Miller Falls post from a few pages back (which I've quoted below), and I thought the vise looked more like a Miller Falls vise, but maybe from a different era than the post by rusty65. Do you, or anyone reading this really, have any other catalogs from Miller Falls or even any other thoughts on what this mystery oval slide vise could be?

MayerMR
I don't have any scans of Miller Falls vises. What I posted is Stearns information, taken from a page with non relevant advs. Will post if you want.
Maybe the OP will post the vise weight and maybe a pic of the rear of the vise. Looks as if the oval slide was made by more than one company. No other thoughts here.
akasrick

 

[4Nines]

4Nines,

I can't help you with the vise that fits that stand like a glove, but have you considered making an adapter plate to just fit a more standard vise?

I considered it, but this stand deserves the original vise no matter how long it takes me to find it. Not many of these stands are left so I want to do it justice and find its mate.

 

[MayerMR]

MayerMR
I don't have any scans of Miller Falls vises. What I posted is Stearns information, taken from a page with non relevant advs. Will post if you want.
Maybe the OP will post the vise weight and maybe a pic of the rear of the vise. Looks as if the oval slide was made by more than one company. No other thoughts here.
akasrick

Woolfat sent me some other photo angles, but I don't have a perfect rear angle shot. Here are some additional images though:

And I know this is Woolfat's vise, but darnit, this thing has me vexed and for some reason I'm on a rampage to figure out what it is...

I considered it, but this stand deserves the original vise no matter how long it takes me to find it. Not many of these stands are left so I want to do it justice and find its mate.

Got a photo of the vise stand?

 

[chrisnazzy]

I really need help finding a vise to fit my New Britain Portable Vise stand. If anyone would be gracious enough to check their collections I would be more than appreciative! I've been looking for about a year now with no luck and I've probably measured hundreds of vises :/

Here's template of the base. What makes it odd is that all the mounting holes are exactly 8.75'' on center apart from each other. I'm almost certain it is a swivel base because of the round appearance between the mounting holes.

The vise you are looking for is certainly a big un but I'm sure you know that already. The biggest spread on a 3 bolt swivel base I have is a Prentiss 21 which is right at 7".

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[va.grouseman]

Chris and VA
Oddly enough the vise spread sheet lists the
American Scale 25 as 75 1/2lb with 5 1/2" jaws, but just looking at Chris's photo, this is rather puzzling and sounds off!

In fact from the spread sheet here is the supposed list of all of the combo American scales including #25

Gman, Autopts sold me the #25 and a Starrett #326 and they are about the same in size but the Starrett is a little heavier.---But both have 6'' jaws.
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Also Gman, the spread sheet has both the Prentiss #185 and#186 as both weighing 240 lbs. and both having 7'' jaws.---What's the odds of that.---That's probably just an oversight.---I really didn't know they made a #186.---But if someone will produce an AD or a scan, seeing is believing.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

That weight on the American Scale 25 is accurate.The picture is next to a Prentiss 356 @ just a bit over 200 lbs. The 25 looks larger than the Prentiss at first glance. The Prentiss has a larger swivel base while the AS has a larger slide and taller jaw area.. I have another AS 25 that is nicer but I wasn't dragging it out from under the shelf for a picture.

 

[LesserSon]

I know this is Woolfat's vise, but darnit, this thing has me vexed

I remember seeing an Athol a couple years ago at a Philadelphia flea market; looked quite a lot like that, about that size, too. But it was clearly marked on the side.
There’s an ad on the web for a George Worthington, would be 10lb. And a Parker (very blurry).

 

[Evilunclegrimace]

here is a vise that I picked up at the estate sale in Erie Pa a few weeks ago.

 

[gman007]

Today I came across this rather interesting 8", 80 lb Palmgren bench vise which was quite surprising to me as while Palmgren drill press/machine/milling vises are well known, honestly I did not even know that they made bench vises as well.

The vise spread sheet has only entries for 4",5",6" Palmgren bench vises and these look like more like traditional vises with rectangular slide etc.

This 8" Palmgren bench vise looks different (specially the slide with its bullet type design). It is made of 60,000 psi ductile alloy so despite its relative light weight (80 lb for an 8") should be pretty sturdy.

Has anyone own or know much about about this vise?

Dr. Scott
You might want to add this one to the spreadsheet (unforgettably there is no stat for the opening)

 

[Tomthumb717]

The 6" Hollands 56H swivel base that I have weighs 200 lbs I believe.

 

[KMScott]

That weight on the American Scale 25 is accurate.The picture is next to a Prentiss 356 @ just a bit over 200 lbs. The 25 looks larger than the Prentiss at first glance. The Prentiss has a larger swivel base while the AS has a larger slide and taller jaw area.. I have another AS 25 that is nicer but I wasn't dragging it out from under the shelf for a picture.

I dragged out your A Scale 25 Get, I remember that one well.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Thanks Kevin, I lost a lot of pictures when my old tablet crashed. I know I should have stored them in the cloud wherever that is

 

[va.grouseman]

GET, you have far too many combos.---You really need to GETRIDAONE.---I can help.



Gman, I like that Palmgren.---An 8 incher in a compact.---Nice.

 

[MissileBear]

Gman, I like that Palmgren.---An 8 incher in a compact.---Nice.

I'm not a fan of anything made by Palmgren since the 70's. They've moved almost all of their production to China, even back in the 2000's. I bought a 3" Palmgren drill press vise about 10 years ago, and it was a poorly made as the Indian made Yost drill press vise I also returned.

Any idea when that Palmgren was made?

 

[meatsis]

Anyone ever seen a 7” swivel jaw Athol? Did they make s 8” version too? Too bad it’s missing the base.



Some lucky guy just got this for $100

 

[rossj]

Lucky guy checking in . 647 cast on the fixed jaw, 617 on the dynamic jaw. 10-inch diameter base. Swivel jaw which the seller didn't even know about!

 

[honza.vosalik]

Is there a Reed 206R brochure out there? Specifically for the R model?

What about Rock Island 597?

 

[davethorik]

If you get a chance, I'd bet I'm not the only one who would enjoy seeing some pics of the Hollands and Reed 4" swivel jaws together.

It's hard to conceptualize differences between the two, especially in size, because they are so similar in design.

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It doesn't look as noticeable in the pic. The Reed has the rounded feet, Hollands has the pointy feet.

However I did a thorough tape measuring of both, and besides both having 4" jaws, they both have a 3" tall slide. However in EVERY other dimension, the Hollands is larger.

Of note it opens a full 1" more (7" vs 6"), is 1/2" taller, and the mounting foot bolt circle is 1-1/8" larger. Demoman was kind enough to post a Hollands catalog scan listing the 44 at 60 lbs. I don't know the weight of the Reed.

 

[trijeff]

My Reed 404 weighs in at 57lbs, it is the old school kind with cast in jaws

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[davethorik]

My Reed 404 weighs in at 57lbs, it is the old school kind with cast in jaws

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Thanks jeff, same as this one. And the Hollands.