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I'm feeling all alone here :(. Lol

I thinking about taking some 2x3 1/8" tubing and slicing off the back then weld it back together into this shape. But I'm debating on the dimensions.

Comments anyone?

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And going with this look for the most part.

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I'm feeling all alone here :(. Lol

I thinking about taking some 2x3 1/8" tubing and slicing off the back then weld it back together into this shape. But I'm debating on the dimensions.

Comments anyone?

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And going with this look for the most part.

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an 1/8" thick tube will resist shopping carts and shrubs brushing against the side from doing harm, but the first time he puts the weight of that jeep against it it will fold up like a beer can.
 

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an 1/8" thick tube will resist shopping carts and shrubs brushing against the side from doing harm, but the first time he puts the weight of that jeep against it it will fold up like a beer can.

You really think? The average car frame from back in the 80s (and earlier) was thinner than 1/8.
 
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an 1/8" thick tube will resist shopping carts and shrubs brushing against the side from doing harm, but the first time he puts the weight of that jeep against it it will fold up like a beer can.



I think I'll be ok Robert. They'll be a little something else going on that adds structure. Just have a little faith bud, ain't my first time around the block. I'm just having designer block for the look. But I'm going down this path now for sure. The owner digs it.


So I matched the angle of the rear fender and like the look for the rear. I could keep that for the front or maybe radius it to match the rear of the front fender, not sure yet on that one. I think I'll do the entire piece and mount it before I make that decision.

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I typically prefer round tube, but that shape is interesting. Looks like a lot of work to form (compared to pulling a piece of tube off the rack). Look forward to what you come up with.

I like the look (and function) of the step flowing from the front fender back. The steps on my jeep get muddy and then you drag your clothes/leg across them. If you can minimize the mud getting kicked up on them, so much the better.
 

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See.... we knew you would come up with something creative if we pushed your buttons...lol !

A little internal bracing and that would be quite stout.


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I typically prefer round tube, but that shape is interesting. Looks like a lot of work to form (compared to pulling a piece of tube off the rack). Look forward to what you come up with.

I like the look (and function) of the step flowing from the front fender back. The steps on my jeep get muddy and then you drag your clothes/leg across them. If you can minimize the mud getting kicked up on them, so much the better.

What is this mud stuff you speak of? Oh that's that stuff that's left over after it rains huh? :p

I'll admit it might have flowed better had I used tubing but I'm really trying to burn up the material I've got in stock. I've given my self 6 months to get this place ready to move and well....

See.... we knew you would come up with something creative if we pushed your buttons...lol !

A little internal bracing and that would be quite stout.


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Ya you guys did :mad: :thumbup:

I got a plan that'll keep it together. And if it does come apart like a party favor they'll certainly be a story behind it.

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You really think? The average car frame from back in the 80s (and earlier) was thinner than 1/8.


not sure what you are referring to. I was posting about the design change to be legit rock/rub bars after I read

Btw, after talking to the owner yesterday he now wants a legit rocker guard, so that narrowed down the options significantly.


I assumed the owner was looking for something more durable and functional.

I am sure the OP has a handle on this and will build pure artistry. :thumbup:
 

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not sure what you are referring to. I was posting about the design change to be legit rock/rub bars after I read




I assumed the owner was looking for something more durable and functional.

I am sure the OP has a handle on this and will build pure artistry. :thumbup:

I got ya... from your remarks I was under the impression that you were saying the 1/8 steel wouldn't even support the weight of the vehicle, not that it wouldn't be capable of contending with slamming into rocks, etc.

Carry on... :beer:
 

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What is this mud stuff you speak of? Oh that's that stuff that's left over after it rains huh? :p

You got me. I didn't look at your location before I replied. I love San Diego, do a lot of work there. Too expensive to live there for me though. We have plenty of mud here, especially this year. It has been stupid wet this summer. It's raining out there right now matter of fact.
 

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Any of those look a lot better than the aftermarket one you first had chopped up.
Personally I like option D from your list simply because the radius look will compliment your well done fenders.
 
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First off thanks for following along guys.

Bad, this owner luuuvs the desert. It's actually a bit funny his favorite wheeling local is about a hours drive from where we're planning to move too. I can't wait to get out of here and get back into the off road scene. I sold my last K5 about 20 yrs ago and other then day trips with the quads haven't done it in a long time. But mudding just isn't anything that happens in this neck of the woods. Also the next time you're out this way, let me know. Lunch will be on me.

Boost, ya would have flowed better.

Well today sure went to **** in a handbag. Everything was flowing nicely and I was well on my way to getting the main beams done when disaster struck. :eek:

My air compressor motor gave me a big middle finger. My feeling were so hurt I was almost in tears........and being a Friday afternoon with my whole weekend cleared for Fab work just added to that misery. But as luck would have it grainger came to the rescue. I actually felt kinda good leaving there since they were oh so kind as to lighten my wallet by at least ten pounds, I think I had a little bounce in my step walking out but it was hard to tell since I was still bent over :headscrat

Well anyhow at least the pieces are cut thanks to my trusty plasma. And I got one piece flare, well mostly. I also got the compressor fired back off by 6 and the wife made her famous lasagna. Hopefully tomorrow will be a bit more productive.


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Lookin’ good bud. Sorry to hear you had compressor issues.


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Thanks Mike and as you can tell I was thrilled to death. I can't really complain considering my speed air has seen close to 20yrs of use. And I probably just have myself to blame on this one. It'd been a while since I'd serviced the contacts on the magstarter. Being the compressor is 100ft from the shop I rarely ever hear it run. Just a few days ago when I turned it on she fired off and I could hear she wasn't 100%. And I knew it was time to do a full service. Normally I'll perform a voltage drop test across the contacts but with her dead and after testing the motor out I pulled the starter apart. Sure as **** they were excessively burned and pitted but there was just enough material left to dress them. Time to order some replacements.


Now back to the task at hand. Yesterday I used heat and a BFG for flaring out the tube. After expending more effort (and hearing loss) then I thought it was worth figured today I'd build a jig for the press and let it get the workout instead of me. Considering this would all be just pressure and not a beating i machined the pieces out of scrap aluminum.

One chunk needed to be cut down so I tossed it into good ole Lorena just down and dirty like since I figured I'd square it up in the mill. Well as always miss Bobbet didn't let me down. After I deburred the edges and was looking at it, it looked too perfect so I had to check.

Tell me something, is my love for that machine unhealthily??? :headscrat

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If you can't see the measurements it's dead on top to bottom one one side and only wandered 7 thou on the other which I would have to assume was the adjustable guide side. Not bad on a chunk that's 2" x 7".
 
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Last pics for the night just for Robert. ;)

I got all the pieces formed and started in on the bulk heads that will be welded inside the tubing. Between the end caps, where the step grafts in and the rods for the frame mounts there won't be a cavity longer then 6" without structure to hopefully resist the almighty crush. I just need to dial in my template better for the plasma. Also the 1/16" seam is intentional, I got really lucky dimensionally it all turned out dead on so far. All I needed to do was cut up some 1/4" x 2" wide flat bar and not cut some crazy measurement.
 

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Looking good. Looks like a crazy amount of labor for some rock rails. I am starting to see that is your MO.

Yaaa weeelll ya. I have a tendency to go a bit overboard sometimes. But I do get a kick out of doing something different. Last years one weekend project turned into six months when my buddy asked me to install his valve covers. I took one look and said "hey I got some one off fuel rails and if you'll get your guy to carve them up, I'll make all the wiring go bye-bye.

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That was a rabbit hole I won't soon forget. But at its unavailing it got shot by a couple magazines. And the owner is most deserving IMO of the extra effort. Poor guy used to be a Los angles DA but after 15 years of the long downward spiral from MS is not too far from being completely incapacitated. The car is his last hurrah.

Wow! That rail will be really strong with the gussets.

I think it will be. Or I hope it will be..


Ok I'll be honest, I'm praying it will be - k?
 

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I kinda liked the original concept with the old Denali step bars, but would have gone to 2.5" OD x 1/8" wall DOM tube and instead of a 90 deg bend on each end gone to a 45 or 60 deg bend. Then cover the whole top surface with 3/16" tread plate to make the step.

Having said that, your current concept looks pretty good as well. Nice work.
 
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I kinda liked the original concept with the old Denali step bars, but would have gone to 2.5" OD x 1/8" wall DOM tube and instead of a 90 deg bend on each end gone to a 45 or 60 deg bend. Then cover the whole top surface with 3/16" tread plate to make the step.

Having said that, your current concept looks pretty good as well. Nice work.


I was ok with it too but I'll agree it didn't match the project. And like I mentioned I just didn't want to buy any material. But I've decided to finish those since it might take me an hour or two to do so and then put'm up for sale. Figure that's better then just round filing them.


Moving on I got all the internal structure pieces cut and matched. Then moved on the doing all the webbing within the top piece. The bottom will be plug welded to those supports. Where you see the supports 2" apart is where the frame support bars with pocket into. That way any stress on them is carried thru the whole piece and not just the cover.

So here it is all welded up and will remain clamped until it cools. I figure by the time I get all the plug weld holes drilled the top should be good the go. And to answer the question if it's asked. I decided to add the parallel bar to hopefully eliminate the twist I picked up when I removed the angled portion. It wasn't bad and I was still able to clamp them together nice and flat. But I didn't want to fight it either. Not to mention it'll make it a rock...haha
 

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First off I'd like to once again thank our resident jeep Fab guru Mike for letting me run something past him. :beer:

Sometimes I wonder if I'm meant to get projects done. Friday's compressor issue lost me over a half day. Yesterday the wife had me full up for a few hours and today I was finally rocking along nicely. Figured I'd get both tops strengthened up and get the innerds primed with weld thru.

But as luck would have it our daughter came by with the grand bubbies. And as much as I like to be in the shop, I'd much rather play with them.

So here's one side all primed and ready to weld together tomorrow.

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Those look great Cam. It was great talking to you earlier. As much as I love my shop time, I think playing with the grandkids would take priority over shop time too. [emoji106]
 
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Those look great Cam. It was great talking to you earlier. As much as I love my shop time, I think playing with the grandkids would take priority over shop time too. [emoji106]

If I had my choice I'd be a full time bubby sitter.

So not much today but I did get the shells welded together for one side. I'm glad I did as I found some errors with how much fill weld I did on the leading edge. It's not bad and very fixable but it'd be nice not to have too weld it twice. Also I burned (and I do mean burned) in a 3/8" rod into the edge to add some stability to the joint. I knew when I radiused it, there wouldn't be much metal left.

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Nice work. Those should be stout.

Thanks Robert and I think we'll be ok for these.

But now on to the frame mounts. After my last post I double checked how flat this piece was. I've been insanely **** about clamping and cooling cycles but have battled a slight bow because I did something I told myself not to do from minute one. That being not using the shell half with the seem weld. Well obviously I should have posted a giant not right in front of my face, cause not only did I do it once, I did it twice. :(

As dumb luck would have it my "top/bottom" is nice and flat but I picked up an outwards bow at the apex where I cut out the step. Knowing this could be an issue in either direction had only completed welding half the backside seem. It wasn't bad, if I pushed down on end the other picked up almost 1/4". So I set some blocking at the ends, found the apex and then clamped it down so I now had an 1/8" of bow going the opposite direction. Finishing off the seem weld pulled it back pretty damn straight, least good enough for the girls I date.....errr dated.

At that point it was time to cut the frame stachion mounts. Once again I got really fortunate as it was just enough of a snug fit it only took a mild beating with a single jack to set the bars in so I didn't need to clamp or tack weld for mock up. I don't want to weld these on until much later in the game.

My next little battle was confirming how much angle i have at the front of the frame. So I cut these piece long so I could run them wild under the frame then square it up to the body and mark my angles.

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After getting those marked I pulled it down, knocked out the tubing and cut them to the mark. I pray the other side is identical since I cut both sides. One of the reasons for not welding them to the rail is once I get the frame mounting plates done and bolted on at the location and elevation I want to be able to move the rail in or out to get it aligned with the body dead on. Luckily this side hit my marks fine, but who knows what'll happen on the other side.

So with these beaten back into the rail and some 3" blocking added to my half assed supports stuck some magnets to the frame to hold the bottom in place since I could not get a clamp over the top of the frame. That worked out pretty slick.

You can't see it in the picture but there's a one inch space between the top of the rail and the bottom of the body. Once the frame mounting plates are built these will go up another 1/2". I could go more but I want to leave a gap just in case he does take a hit someday.

And btw, I wanna know who the guy is who constantly jacks up my table with all the cramp. Whatta pain in the a$$ :headscrat

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And btw, I wanna know who the guy is who constantly jacks up my table with all the cramp. Whatta pain in the a$$ :headscrat

You find him, you let me know. I got a bone to pick with that a-hole. :lol_hitti

The steps are looking good, match in well with the flares.
 

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You find him, you let me know. I got a bone to pick with that a-hole. :lol_hitti


Hey look at that..... I can finally join the “me too” movement as at the end of of every weekend I am cleaning up after that dude... some weekends I just throw in the towel and push it off till later!

Also, ditto on the steps... those are are looking great!


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You find him, you let me know. I got a bone to pick with that a-hole. :lol_hitti

The steps are looking good, match in well with the flares.

Hey look at that..... I can finally join the “me too” movement as at the end of of every weekend I am cleaning up after that dude... some weekends I just throw in the towel and push it off till later!

Also, ditto on the steps... those are are looking great!


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Let's roll :rocketwho


I'm liking those nerf bars Cam. Cant just go out and buy that profile, nice work.

Those look really nice. Well done.


Thanks guys :beer:

Ya know those times where you need to be careful what you wished for?

Basically with the exception of that actual step I've got it all figured out and all the pieces cut. Another words I should be able to wipe out the other side right quick. When I walked out of the disaster zone last night I thought to myself - self, by tomorrow afternoon this part will be done.

As soon as I walked in the back door the wife says "your daughter called". And you guys know how it is when it's "yours" and not "ours" :headscrat

The grand kids will be here at 9 and the 5mo old is sick. :headshake
 
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Cam, those are turning out awesome bud. Lovin' the style/appearance.


Thanks Mike!

I should say your input has been invaluable to me on this project. Being I don't have any local jeep buddies to run stuff past it's been an honor to get some real world input from "the man" ;).

And with my lips placed firmly on your behind hate to ask this but need too. The owner hit me up about axles. So we had a long talk about gearing, spline count, lockers you name it. I told him before we go any further to let me inspect the difs and confirm the gearing. Sure as **** he's got 3:07's but he's also got other issues with the rear. Yesterday I pulled the covers and sure as the stars sparkle in the nights sky found these neat little pieces of hardened metal.

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Sooo I was wondering if I could hit you up once again for a down and dirty list of whose components you'd use and more importantly a good place to source it from. I doubt we're going to do this right now but that also depends on what I find was the source of those bits.

Thanks again brother. :beer:
 

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Thanks Mike!

I should say your input has been invaluable to me on this project. Being I don't have any local jeep buddies to run stuff past it's been an honor to get some real world input from "the man" ;).

And with my lips placed firmly on your behind hate to ask this but need too. The owner hit me up about axles. So we had a long talk about gearing, spline count, lockers you name it. I told him before we go any further to let me inspect the difs and confirm the gearing. Sure as **** he's got 3:07's but he's also got other issues with the rear. Yesterday I pulled the covers and sure as the stars sparkle in the nights sky found these neat little pieces of hardened metal.

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Sooo I was wondering if I could hit you up once again for a down and dirty list of whose components you'd use and more importantly a good place to source it from. I doubt we're going to do this right now but that also depends on what I find was the source of those bits.

Thanks again brother. :beer:

Damn, that doesn't look good Cam.

As for components, what exactly does he want to run? Does he want selectable lockers or limited slips? What size tires is he running? How aggressive does he drive? Any power adders?

Here is my down and dirty. I see that it is in fact a TJ (1997-2006) so I'm assuming he has the 4.0 I6 engine, which is a very good engine. I'm also assuming he is running the automatic transmission so I will give recommendations on those assumptions.

For axle shafts I have had very good results with Ten Factory's axle shafts in both the TJ's as well as the JK's. I have also used some Superior and Alloy USA but I seem to be able to buy the Ten Factory brand more readily and slightly better deals. Also when out of town I seem to "pop" in to local shops and inquire as to what they stock and run. Call me crazy but when I vacation I like to check out the local shops/parts houses as a barometer as to the local Jeep culture. My wife just rolls her eyes when I say "hey, I'm going to go pop into this shop real quick."

Next up for carriers. If he wheels aggressively and truly wants a selectable locker that he has control over and wants to engage when he wants and in total control I have two favorites, the ARB and the Eaton ELocker. I've really been leaning to the ELocker on most of the last builds as they are strong, durable and running electrical is easier and less costly than air plus some of my clients don't care for having to run the compressor. Personally either one is a great option and the compressor runs minimally when using for the lockers, not like airing up a tire.

If he wants a limited slip and just wants to drive his Jeep without having to operate a switch or think about when to turn his locker on or off and wheels in a manner that doesn't have a tire in the air much then I am a very big advocate of the Eaton/Detroit TrueTrac. This particular limited slip is freaking awesome with helical cut gearing rather than clutches to limit slipping. No additives are needed and no clutches to get grabby or pop when they slip or release. Especially nice in a lighter short wheelbase vehicle like a Jeep. I've personally run the TrueTrac in both of my ZJ's, my son ran it in front and rear of both his ZJ and his LJ and will be running it in the rear of his WJ. They work well in most all off-road applications as long as he isn't the kind of driver that consistently has a wheel in the air. Even then with a little driver finesse one can slightly apply braking to present enough resistance that the RPM differential will allow the helical cut gears to engage and assist with moving the vehicle. I even like them on snow packed roads as they allow enough traction yet still not locked and allow one wheel to grip the road while the other drives. In my opinion the TrueTrac is about the perfect setup for no off-roading to even moderate off-roading driving styles. Acts and feels like an open differential on pavement yet provides extra traction off-road when the need is there.

I am not a fan of the Detroit Locker, or any automatic locker for that matter in a short wheelbase, fairly light vehicle. They have their place but I'm not a particular fan, they are finicky on slick roads and make driving off-camber on a side hill very touchy. On a light and short wheelbase like a Jeep they can cause jerking and severe popping and banging when the clutches finally slip and release. To the point the driver thinks something broke and can be annoying to drive. If you are desert racing and need that they have their place but for a driver/weekend wheeler and one that will see quite a bit of highway driving I suggest steering clear. I've had them in longer wheelbase, heavier full-sized trucks and they are fair as the weight tames them substantially but even then I feel there are better options.

Lastly gearing. On a I6 Jeep TJ running 33" tires I would suggest going with 4.88 gears, 35's I suggest 5.13's if he's heavy and wants a little snappier feel, otherwise if he does a lot of highway driving and not super heavy the 4.88 gears work well with a 35" tire as well as most measure closer to 34 inches anyways. I prefer to stay with the 4.88's if possible because the pinion gets quite small when stepping to the 5.13 gears. As far as brands there are only a few company's that pretty much manufacturer most of the gear sets these days. I've run Motive, Superior, Alloy USA and Yukon and really haven't had any issues with any of them as they are probably all made by the same company overseas. However, I have found Yukon to be easy to deal with, have a wide selection and are readily available from multiple sources.

Whatever option, just ask the owner to be honest in his needs and go from there. I've found the few times someone has been unhappy with a setup was because they were not honest with the shop and especially themselves on what they wanted and needed out of their vehicle. They want it built to be the baddest off-road Jeep with the most ground clearance and traction imaginable for the 2 times a year it goes off road then they hate driving it on the pavement to work.:headscrat I see it more often than you realize.

Again Cam, these are only my opinion and will more than likely be debated. Hope this helps some bud.
 
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Mike I can't thank you enough for that detailed response. I actually feel guilty as I should have laid out a few facts to begin with. It's is a six'r but with a manny. I also would only suggest to him a LSD for all the reasons you listed. When I built my kids truck I went with eaton, 4:56's and Yukon gears as he runs a 37" tire, that worked out well but behind a 700r . But I think if we go down this path I'll suggest the 4:88 you recommend and yes he wants to run a 35.

And once again thank you, your input is greatly appreciated.
 

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Mike I can't thank you enough for that detailed response. I actually feel guilty as I should have laid out a few facts to begin with. It's is a six'r but with a manny. I also would only suggest to him a LSD for all the reasons you listed. When I built my kids truck I went with eaton, 4:56's and Yukon gears as he runs a 37" tire, that worked out well but behind a 700r . But I think if we go down this path I'll suggest the 4:88 you recommend and yes he wants to run a 35.

And once again thank you, your input is greatly appreciated.

You are very welcome my friend. Glad to help.
 
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And what kind of Campa would I be if I didn't show off my bubby helping me out today.

"I fix papa"

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Oh boy! 3/4" sockets are way more fun then lego's

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That'll teach my daughter sending him over in a brand new shirt, muhahahaha. Man was she PISSED! :p



"You need dis one papa"

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Last but not least, the happiest kid ever! My wife is the second oldest of ten and has and will always be the momma to all our nieces and nephews. We are up to 38 of them now ranging from a couple weeks to 31. Why I shared that little tid bit of info, because I have never ever seen a happier baby in all the mix. This kid is always smiling and never fussy, not even when he's sick. Our daughter has turned out to be an absolutely wonderful mother.

This ^v^ is what you have to look forward too Mike.

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That is awesome Cam. I’m not gonna lie, I’m kinda lookin’ forward to the whole grandpa gig. My wife won’t admit it but truth be told I think she is looking forward to being “ya ya Z”.

I’m glad you’ve had some shop time with the little one Cam, that’s quite a few of grandkids ya gave there. [emoji106]


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