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As I read the first paragraph, I was afraid to keep reading as I thought it might get bad. Sounds like you are making lemonade with your lemons. Best of luck in your search.

Find the right spot in Ohio, you can live cheap but not be too far from a bigger city.
 
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Ron, I read your thread when you first posted it and was amazed at what you bought, I could be quite happy there.

I know I said that I didn't want to move to FL but I just came back from a week long recon trip to north FL and was impressed with what I found. Clay county has some good potential and I have made contact with a realtor and they will start sending me listings. I have another recon trip planned to NC so I'll see how that turns out.
 

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I have another recon trip planned to NC so I'll see how that turns out.


Lots of land in NC for a good price in small towns. I bought 3 acres with a mobile home for $40k. Eventually a house will be built here, but for now it is what we need.
 

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Holy **** there are some great bargains outside of Californistan where I live. I live in Silicon Valley where most homes go for close to $1Million dollars. Everything is expensive. Too crowded here with horrible traffic. Too much of everything
 
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I got the flu for Christmas and have spent the last 3 days reading some of your epic threads and amazing stories. I figured I should probably update this one a little.

I'm still on the search for a new job elsewhere and have two interviews in the coming weeks. One is a better paying job still here in NJ and the other is a much better paying job in Jax,FL. I'll just have to wait and see what happens on the job and relocation front.

In the mean time, I have been working on projects in the shop and thought I might post some of the things that got completed in the last few months.

I had been working on a golf cart for a little over a year and it finally rolled out of the shop recently. It was a 1996 Yamaha G-16 that I acquired many years ago with no engine and it had been sitting behind my shop in the weeds. As I was cleaning the shop one day, I realized that I had a brand new 3 cylinder Yanmar diesel engine sitting under one of the benches. How I came to have the engine sitting under the bench is a whole story in itself, but there it was sitting there taking up space. So I decided to see if I could put the two of them together.

I brought the golf cart in the shop and put the engine on the floor next to it and basically looked at them for a few days. The tape measure said I could do it but it was going to take a little bit of work and time and time and time. I had to make a lot of parts, do a lot of cutting and welding, and do a lot of design and redesign, but in the end it all came together.

A 4" lift, a new 3-link rear suspension, custom fuel tank, front radiator and grille, and a whole **** load of other little parts that needed to be made.
The only parts I had to buy were a new clutch, belt, seat cover, and sunbrella fabric for the top. I spent less than $800 and a little over 16 months of an hour here, and hour there.

The finished product is what I call the "Yanmarha" It's 23 HP of obnoxiously loud diesel and it's a blast to drive.
 

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its so weird to me that kids don't want to learn and eventually take over a very profitable business. I work for a big oil company in ct that makes probably north of 50 million a year in profits and 6 kids want nothing to do with it. it boggles my mind
 

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I feel your pain. I just recently moved from NJ due to the cost of living. We weren't even homeowners while there, but were both paying astronomical prices for business rentals and a ridiculous rate for a home rental. I know you were apprehensive of FL at first, but let me say that we relocated to north FL 6 months ago and have been absolutely LOVING it. I'm guessing you are in Cape May. I'm originally from LBI but had transplanted to Ewing (ew).

I wish I would have know about freight companies that leave a box for you to fill and then pick it up later. We used a moving company for our printing shop and it ended up costing $30k! Granted, it was more than two 44' trailers worth of equipment and blank merchandise but still.

I don't have nearly the amount of equipment that you do so I have nothing good to offer as far as advise. I managed to shoehorn everything (minus my Bridgeport) in a 16' Penske box truck. Couldn't take turns or ramps without rubbing but I made it!
 

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Make sure you look into home insurance rates if you move anywhere near the coast. I live on the gulf coast and insurance rates are about double what the are inland. Shouldn't add up to much compared to your exorbitant property taxes but still something to keep in mind.
 
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Race,
My kids had their own ideas of what they wanted to do with their lives and I'm happy to say that they are both becoming very successful at what they have chosen to do.

Mike,
We visited your area early last year and were very much impressed with north FL. Jax has the things my wife needs and there is plenty of space not far from the city for me to be the hermit that I am, so it has great potential.

Sharp,
I think we will be looking inland enough that the insurance rates will not be to much of a factor with the decrease in property taxes.

To make my eventual move a little bit more heavy, here's a shop project from last month.
I had someone give me a piece of 3/4" steel plate that was almost 6'x6'.
I decided to cut it up to make benches to replace the last of the wooden benches in my shop. I used an 8" Milwaukee circular saw to cut out 2 pieces of plate 72"x30" for the bench tops. I bought some 3"x4"x3/16" rectangular tube for legs and made two identical benches. They can be moved next to each other in the event that I need a big table for something. Each table weighs about 1200#s and I can easily move them around the shop with the pallet jack.

So while I continue to plan my exodus from NJ, I just added a little over a ton to the moving weight.
 

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Caddyman,

I used a Milwaukee 8" metal cutting circular saw. The saw has an enclosed compartment to catch all of the chips. It's very loud and full PPE is required. I cut the 3/4" plate at full depth of cut at a rate of about 5 IPM. I would not recommend trying to cut thick plate without a very rigid fence as if you stray off the cut line, the blade will be toast in nothing flat.

I will admit that after cutting 12 linear feet or 3/4" plate I did use up a brand new blade, but I wound up with two pieces of plate that were accurately cut and the cut edges needed no further grinding or de-burring.
 

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Adding more weight to my shop. I'm a sucker for drill presses, I have 3 and was just given a fourth. They are like Lays potato chips, you can't have just one.

The newest addition is a Walker Turner bench top, it's a 1951 vintage in somewhat poor condition with a very large arc of shame.

I knew that Walker Turner made nice machines but until I got this one given to me and read the name plate, I never knew that they were manufactured in Plainfield, NJ. I along with this drill press were born in the same town 8 years apart, so this drill press will get some special attention.

I gutted a tread mill about a year ago and the motor and controls have been sitting on the bench looking for something to do, so this drill press will be getting a DC motor and VS control.

It took me about an hour to get the drill press torn down to parade rest. I will blast all the castings and repaint them. It will get new spindle bearings, the arc of shame repaired, and a new DC motor and drive. This might take a little while to complete but I'm hoping it won't drag out for months like most of my projects do.
 

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My shop size is nothing compared to yours, but I am 85 (going on 40) and have to move by March 01,2018 and so far I haven't been able to find new quarters.
Best of luck to you.
 

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when i moved from san jose to oregon, i bought a 53' dry van on craigslist for $2000 & crated up much of my motorcycles, parts, tools, & machinery. i stuffed my scrap metal / raw materials / nuts, bolts, misc. hardware into every nook & cranny. took about a year while we sold our house & closed down a business & retired. then i hired a trucking company who charged $1600 to haul the trailer to their location for a couple months while i moved the rest of our stuff. then they delivered the trailer to our new house at no added cost. i built an addition to the existing shop & then unloaded the trailer.
when it was empty i sold it for $5,000 making the move actually profitable. the loated weight was 78,780 lbs. , just 1,200 lbs under the 80k limit.
 
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John, best of luck finding a new place to hang your hat.

Knucklehead, thats a good option and I may look into it as my financial picture has changed and may now allow such a purchase.

My wife and I are heading back to FL for the first week of January on our first official house hunting trip. I just recently learned that a cousin that I haven't spoke to in quite a few years is now living in St.Augustine so we will be paying him a visit and get his view of the area.
 
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Well here is the latest update on my escape from NJ.
Laura and I did go back down to St. Augustine the first week of January and we looked all over.

I am really excited to say that we just inked a deal for 10 acres of undeveloped land in Clay county. Now the fun begins.

I have 42 months to go until I retire (again). Over that time I plan to build a house, shop, barn/art studio so that all I have to do is go south when I call it quits with the day job.

We're thinking about a 2100 sq/ft house, a minimum of 2400 sq/ft shop, and a 4 stall barn with an 800 sq/ft studio space attached.

Now I just have to research what type of construction I want for the shop space, I'm sure there a ton of different things that need to be considered between NE Florida and Mid Atlantic when it comes to construction. So if any of you FL guys want to jump in and suggest things to consider, I'm all ears.
 

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Dry rot, bugs that eat everything, screen doors, screened porch, wind...

Did I say bugs that eat anything...like your house!

Careful research on building materials and design will be a big help. Water even travels up into eaves when real windy...so even simple things get complicated! All my buddies that built homes have laminated glass that is designed to stop things like flying 2x4s from entering the house...even the framing needs to deal with the wind loads and impacts...

I lived there for awhile when I was young and stupid...living thru a few hurricanes was interesting...

Sounds like you got a great plan...:rocker:
 
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Tarmy,

I've lived through more than my fair share of hurricanes both on land and at sea, and in that respect NE Florida is like anywhere else I've lived as far as hurricanes go.

My biggest thing right now is figuring out the most effective way to cut a path along our property line through the palmettos. I need to cut a 5' wide path through a little over a half mile of thick palmettos.

Should I rent a machine, or hire a contractor? If anyone has experience with removing palmettos please jump in here.
 
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Congrats on the new property Mac. I wish you the very best in the build and move. I'm happy for you that you can build your forever home.
 
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Well it's been 6 months since my last post on this thread and a lot has happened. I got a new job in Florida a few miles from our property and I start work on November 1st. I'm hauling our RV down tomorrow and getting it set up in a campground long term. I will be living in the RV for almost a year until our house is built. Construction on the house should begin right around Thanksgiving. As soon as our builders pull the permits for the house, I can pull the permits for the new shop.

I will be building the new shop while the house is being built and I plan on finishing about 6 months before the house. Red iron 40x60 should go up pretty quick.
 
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Leaving at 10pm tonight. Plan to get to the property a little after 1pm tomorrow to mark the property lines. I have a contractor coming to cut a right of way along the property lines so that we can better mark out where the house and shop are going.

The rest of the week will be meeting with the builder and getting the RV set up so I can go to work in November.

Heading back to NJ early Friday morning via North Carolina to stop a Kaufman trailers and pick up a new trailer so that I can haul my skid steer and a bunch of other stuff back down on my next trip south.

Here's a pic of my truck ready to roll.
 

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Congrats on the new job, house, shop, and move. Big things are happening for you, I wish you the best.
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So.......I made it back to NJ last night and holy ****, what a trip it was.
I departed last Sunday night around 10:30 pm in the middle of a torrential rain storm. I have never driven a 30' bumper pull camper before and all I can say is it ***** when all your used to is pulling 5er's. It rained all the way to the Georgia state line. We made it to our destination around 5pm, I had a cold beverage and that was the end of the day for me.

Next day we were up early and of to the new homestead, (for lack of a better name right now we are referring to it as "The Farm"), and started looking for the flags that the surveyors were supposed to have put up for the land clearing contractor. The farm is all planted pines with a very heavy (very ******* heavy) ground cover of saw palmettos. We very quickly realized that the surveyor had not put stakes every 200' as indicated on our survey. A quick call to the surveyor revealed that the 200' markers were irons that had been put in the ground years ago and had no flags on them.

The next day we met the surveyors at 7:00am and started marking the 200' irons. After we got the first 2 irons located and marked, the surveyor said he quit because the palmettos were too thick and I needed to get a contractor out here to cut a path along the property line for the surveyor to work from.

So here is where things go south in a hurry. The land clearing contractor won't cut the property line unless it's marked, and the surveyor won't make the line unless it's cut. We were at a stand off.

I had brought a transit, chain saws, machetes , and a gas powered hedge trimmer with me. We set the transit up on a corner pin and I started cutting a sight line to the first 200' iron. About 10' into cutting a sight line into the next iron, I realized that I was having a heat stroke (it was about 95*). I managed to make my way back to Laura who was manning the transit and told her I was done. When I said I quit, she knew things were serious. She got me cooled down after about 45 minutes and we discussed our options.

I had previously talked to a guy that had quoted me $6K to cut our two property lines, I thought his quote was way too high never called him back. At this point I was desperate so I called him. It was 2:00pm and he said he could be there in an hour. He shows up at 3:30 with a Cat tracked skid steer and a forestry milling head. I explained the situation and he said that if I was willing to guide him, he would cut the path for the surveyor. So it was game on. He took off on the first 200' that we had marked and was done in about 15 minutes. I rode behind him on an ATV with my GPS app on my phone. The property line is about 1/4 mile long and when we come out of the woods on the back side, we were within 10' of the pin.

We then back tracked and did the north side property line. All said an done we had both paths cut in 4-1/2 hours. I paid him $1,000 and everyone was happy.

The following day we had a good meeting with our builders and signed off on the floor plan design. We made mark ups to the first electrical plan and should be ready to pull permits before Christmas.

We go back in 3 weeks to mark out for the loggers to clear for the house and thin the rest of the plantation.

We left Florida early yesterday morning in route to Lexington, NC to pick up a new Kaufman equipment trailer. After picking up the trailer and driving way too long, I had to stop 20 miles from home and take a 1/2 hour nap. I rolled in our driveway at 2:15 this morning. I was a 20 year old kid 40 years ago and I can't go like I used to.

I head back down in 3 weeks with a full load and have to start work at my new job on the 1st of November. I'll be signing a contract with the metal building manufacturer for my new shop in the next week or two and things will get interesting.

Here are a few pictures from the last few days.
 

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I did more than my fair share of research before I bought this trailer. I looked a Big Tex, PJ, and Kaufman.

I was quite impressed by Kaufman's history and how he started out in the business. I think they all build a quality product but by only selling direct with no dealers, Kaufman was the better value for me. If I had no been traveling close to the factory and had to make a 500 mile trip to get a trailer it might not have been the best deal. but since Kaufman was on my route, it turned out to be the best deal, plus they give a 3% discount for paying with cash.

It's a very nice trailer that tows great and is so simple to load and unload. I'm a happy camper with this trailer.
 

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I want a metal deck since I haul mostly cars and some don't have tires. With a metal deck I can stick a 4x4 under the suspension on both sides and slide it up. I need a winch on the tilt deck too. For now I am saving up my pennies and keeping an eye on for sale sites.
 
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Two weeks ago, I loaded up the new trailer with a few necessities and pointed the truck south.

I got the camper set up in a nice campground for the next few months. I spent the first week getting settled and educated buy my new homestead property.
So much has happened I hope I can remember it all.

I left on a Sunday afternoon and drove straight through and arrived on Monday, by the time I got the camper all set up in the campground I was beat and slept for about 10 hours.

I bought a 20' container and had it scheduled to be delivered at 2pm on Tuesday, I figured that would give me a little time to get the site for the container prepared. I bought an extreme duty brush cutter for my skid steer and it made very short work of clearing the spot for the container. The brush cutter is amazing and will go right through 6" diameter pine trees. The driver for the container delivery calls and says he will be late, I said no problem as I was cutting the front border of the property with the skid steer.

The container shows up at 5:30 and I show the driver where I want it. The site is sandy and he says it will be no problem to put the box where I want it. He backs in and puts the box in the perfect spot. With the truck now unloaded he goes to pull out and immediately sinks axle deep and is stuck. I try to pull him out with my D-max truck with no success. Skid steer gives no joy either. 2-1/2 hours of digging and putting timbers under the wheels and he's out.
 

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Got a good nights sleep after the container episode and got an early start Wednesday morning hoping to get the the site for the new house and shop marked and staked. The palmettos are extremely thick and we need to cut our way in to measure and stake the lot.

After a very short time trying to cut our way through the growth it becomes very obvious that a rubber tired skid steer is not going to be of any use on this property. Laura and I decide to invest in a set of over the tire tracks to make our Bobcat useful. I have a connection and go up to Jax and pick up new set of tracks. These things weigh about 500#s per side, Laura and I lay them out in the street and install them on the machine. The first side took us about 2 hours and kicked our ****. We got the other side installed in about 20 minutes. I them spent about 2 hours removing links and trying to get them on tight. So after I get them all installed we realize that they are rubbing on the back of the machine. I called the guy I got them from and he said that I would need shell spacers to eliminate the interference. I was exhausted and told him that i would just load the machine on the trailer and bring it up to him and he could do it and he agreed that it would be no problem.

The next morning we drive up to Jax and bring the machine into his shop. We take the tracks off and jack up the machine and find that all of my wheel bearings are completely shot. I have no shop here in Florida yet and very little in the way of tools, so we load the machine back on the trailer and drive to Bobcat of Jax. They look at my machine and tell me it's going to be about $4500 to fix as long as there is no damage in the chain case and it will be a month before they can get to it. It's going to cost us $1100 a week for a rental machine. Laura looks me straight in the eye and tells me I need to buy a new Bobcat and we go back to the campground. The next day we go back up to Jax to pick up our new T590 Bobcat compact track loader.
 

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Mac,

I don't know if you have moved yet, but I recently moved from San Antonio, Texas to Birmingham, Alabama due to a scenario very much like yours.

My brother found me a house in Alabama that was built by a former NASCAR mechanic. 1200 sq ft house, 4000 sq ft workshop and 4 car garage on 3 acres for less than I could build a metal building in Texas.

Climate down here is great, cost of living unbelievably cheap, and you are right in the heart of hot rod country. Down side is you will have to tell everyone you live in Alabama.

I've added just a few pics to give you an idea what $100K can buy down here.

Ron

100K well spent.
 

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As far as the move goes, this is how I plan to do it. There is a freight company that will drop of two 28' enclosed trailers here and they will give me 20 days to load them. They haul the trailers to my new location and I will have 20 days to unload them. If I went with a bigger truck I'm certain that it wouldn't all fit and it would be over weight. I might have to rent a forklift on the receiving end, but that's the plan for the move.

Whats the name of the company please
 
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