1 Ton Chain Hoist Mounting Options

[jonathan75]

There is a large beam in my garage under the drywall. (Please see attached pictures from construction years ago and drawings.) Is it safe to mount the hoist directly to the beam? And if so what method do I use to attach to it without compromising the structural integrity of the house?

And what about mounting a I beam for a Trolley for greater flexibility? Can I mount a I beam under the existing beam?

Uses will be to:

Lift the front end of a motorcycle without more **** on the floor taking up space.

Unload something from a pickup.

Possible engine removal but I do have a foldable shop crane for that. Just sometimes the shop crane legs get in the way.

Google Photos for more pictures:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/eH3gP2C2Ry5dusUE8

 

[jonathan75]

More Pictures

 

[tinysparky]

will this be spanning multiple beams or running parallel to one?

 

[jonathan75]

Running parallel to the main beam or single attachment point for immediate needs.

will this be spanning multiple beams or running parallel to one?

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[larry_g]

Seeing that note on the dwg about not supporting a ceramic tile floor I would not risk any hanging point load on it.

lg
no neat sig line

 

[jonathan75]

I didn't notice that. Seems strong enough to hold more then tiles. Strange...

Seeing that note on the dwg about not supporting a ceramic tile floor I would not risk any hanging point load on it.

lg
no neat sig line

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[readhead]

I was a bit suprised to see how much deflection was accounted for in that built up beam. I would not add any more load to it.

 

[jonathan75]

Where do you see the deflection information?

I was a bit suprised to see how much deflection was accounted for in that built up beam. I would not add any more load to it.

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[jonathan75]

I see it now. Says was built without camber.

Where do you see the deflection information?

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[tarmy]

My garage was designed for the load...dynamic at that. Not only was the load on the beam accounted for...so was the live load above...

Get an engineer to review your idea...not good to have things in the air that can crash down...or cause the structure to fail and drop on you...

 

[climb.on]

What is above that beam and the floor trusses that are connected to it? The ceramic tile note "may" be more about the deflection characteristics and less about what the beam will actually carry. If the spaces above and below that beam can tolerate the defection, then it might be worth exploring a little bit more. If your kitchen or some other living space is above it I definitely wouldn't mess with it.

 

[jonathan75]

Very nice setup. That is what I would like!

My garage was designed for the load...dynamic at that. Not only was the load on the beam accounted for...so was the live load above...

Get an engineer to review your idea...not good to have things in the air that can crash down...or cause the structure to fail and drop on you...

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[jonathan75]

It is the edge of two bedrooms above it.

What is above that beam and the floor trusses that are connected to it? The ceramic tile note "may" be more about the deflection characteristics and less about what the beam will actually carry. If the spaces above and below that beam can tolerate the defection, then it might be worth exploring a little bit more. If your kitchen or some other living space is above it I definitely wouldn't mess with it.

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[kbs2244]

Go ahead and do it.
Most motorcycle front ends can be lifted by hand.
Not much load there.

And if you have anything heavy to unload you have that healthy engine lift.

 

[jonathan75]

I still am not sure of the best way to attach to the beam.

Go ahead and do it.
Most motorcycle front ends can be lifted by hand.
Not much load there.

And if you have anything heavy to unload you have that healthy engine lift.

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[PoorOwner]

I still am not sure of the best way to attach to the beam.

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Cut a little hole on the drywall and loop a section of chain around it.

 

[jonathan75]

It goes all the way to the subfloor. No gap to loop anything.

Cut a little hole on the drywall and loop a section of chain around it.

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[PoorOwner]

You probably already thought of using lag bolt / structural screw right?

I still don't like the idea very much, because the hoist looks beefy and looks like it could be mis-used and cause a problem, even though I know you are probably the only user of it. 1/4 ton electric hoist, sure..

 

[matt_i]

You have defined the load but not the span. Its not out of the question to place an I-beam under the wood beam and allow both to be independent (use columns at each end). Use the wood superstructure to provide lateral support only at the ends. But whether its 25', 40' or ? is important.

 

[jonathan75]

It is a small two car garage. Little less then 20 feet.

You have defined the load but not the span. Its not out of the question to place an I-beam under the wood beam and allow both to be independent (use columns at each end). Use the wood superstructure to provide lateral support only at the ends. But whether its 25', 40' or ? is important.

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[jonathan75]

Yeah was hoping they made some attachment that distributed the load better.

You probably already thought of using lag bolt / structural screw right?

I still don't like the idea very much, because the hoist looks beefy and looks like it could be mis-used and cause a problem, even though I know you are probably the only user of it. 1/4 ton electric hoist, sure..

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[HoosierBuddy]

Whatever you do, it should be capable of supporting 1 ton PLUS, not just whatever load you plan on putting on it today. If not, you're just creating a mousetrap for someone else down the line.

When faced with the same issue, I sourced a used I-beam and supported it on both ends beneath my trusses. That allowed me to use a wheeled hoist mount that allows the hoist to be positioned anywhere along the I beam.

Phil

 

[jonathan75]

I agree, I want it to support 1 ton.

Whatever you do, it should be capable of supporting 1 ton PLUS, not just whatever load you plan on putting on it today. If not, you're just creating a mousetrap for someone else down the line.

When faced with the same issue, I sourced a used I-beam and supported it on both ends beneath my trusses. That allowed me to use a wheeled hoist mount that allows the hoist to be positioned anywhere along the I beam.

Phil

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[jonathan75]

There is five 2×4's sandwiched together in the ends. Do you think it is possible to build a support attaching to those pictured in previous post and avoid the lights and garage track support? Also in the future I need to raise the track for a car lift.

Whatever you do, it should be capable of supporting 1 ton PLUS, not just whatever load you plan on putting on it today. If not, you're just creating a mousetrap for someone else down the line.

When faced with the same issue, I sourced a used I-beam and supported it on both ends beneath my trusses. That allowed me to use a wheeled hoist mount that allows the hoist to be positioned anywhere along the I beam.

Phil

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[6PKRTSE]

I have a 8" I beam that runs the span of my garage with an electric hoist on a trolley. It has pulled hundred of engines over the years. Hard to see but it is up there. All of my buddies either drive over or trailer over their project & we pull them at my house just for the ease of the hoist. I still have my old picker in the corner that gets used once in awhile.

 

[jonathan75]

How is it supported?

I have a 8" I beam that runs the span of my garage with an electric hoist on a trolley. It has pulled hundred of engines over the years. Hard to see but it is up there. All of my buddies either drive over or trailer over their project & we pull them at my house just for the ease of the hoist. I still have my old picker in the corner that gets used once in awhile.

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[CraigStu]

If all you want to do is pull an engine that is easy. Two big guys could stand next to each other in the room above it right? So 500# is no big deal. But, if you want it safe to lift a ton, I'd have an engineer look at it. 2000# at one point is serious.

 

[jonathan75]

Where do you find affordable engineers for small projects? Seems most I hear of handle large multi million dollar construction.

If all you want to do is pull an engine that is easy. Two big guys could stand next to each other in the room above it right? So 500# is no big deal. But, if you want it safe to lift a ton, I'd have an engineer look at it. 2000# at one point is serious.

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[1redTA]

Go to a smaller engineering firm and talk to anyone with a PE license

 

[matt_i]

A W8 x 18 would work - std residential construction beam.

But, dealing with the design of supports, lateral bracing, connections, how to rig a ~400 lb beam into place overhead are all not trivial.