MissileBear
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Maybe a 976B like VA posted earlier? The older models were 157 lbs, which is about where you'd expect a 6" non-pipe jaw vise to be.
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Maybe a 976B like VA posted earlier? The older models were 157 lbs, which is about where you'd expect a 6" non-pipe jaw vise to be.
Recently found this Wilton in the trash bin. It's my first name brand vise. Sprayed a bit of lube on the moving parts and seems to work fine other than the bent handle. Admittedly I know nothing about vises, what do I have here?
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honza.vosalik
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That's an awesome stand!
jaguar01
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I haven’t greased it up to move yet, but another one we had at the shop I got it from worked good. It raises the vise up to about 4’
Mr. Wonderful
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Ya that stand is great! Please put up more pictures when you can.
It looks like the base has been modified the mounting ears are gone. Or is it something that was adapted on?Recently found this Wilton in the trash bin. It's my first name brand vise. Sprayed a bit of lube on the moving parts and seems to work fine other than the bent handle. Admittedly I know nothing about vises, what do I have here?
Its just one of their chinese imports. But hey if you can straight out the handle and make use of it, a free vise never hurt anyone!
MissileBear
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Re-assembled the blacksmith vise tonight. It took a few weeks of rotation in the electrolysis bin due to the size and the amount of rust built up on it, some work with a wirewheel on the bad parts, and a bit of love with the die grinder to clean up a few areas. It's surprisingly in good shape for sitting outside for the past 30 years.
I'm shocked at how asymmetrical the jaws are - I suppose the blacksmith that made it only needed to forge it functional. I'm also amused that it's stamped 75....it's a bit shy of that, although I suppose nobody back then would have weighed a vise after buying it
Gave it a good rubdown with Linseed oil....I love how it gives a black look to the metal after it dries.
I'm shocked at how asymmetrical the jaws are - I suppose the blacksmith that made it only needed to forge it functional. I'm also amused that it's stamped 75....it's a bit shy of that, although I suppose nobody back then would have weighed a vise after buying it
Gave it a good rubdown with Linseed oil....I love how it gives a black look to the metal after it dries.
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MayerMR
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Am I the only one that can't see the photo(s)?
Re-assembled the blacksmith vise tonight. It took a few weeks of rotation in the electrolysis bin due to the size and the amount of rust built up on it, some work with a wirewheel on the bad parts, and a bit of love with the die grinder to clean up a few areas. It's surprisingly in good shape for sitting outside for the past 30 years.
I'm shocked at how asymmetrical the jaws are - I suppose the blacksmith that made it only needed to forge it functional. I'm also amused that it's stamped 75....it's a bit shy of that, although I suppose nobody back then would have weighed a vise after buying it
Gave it a good rubdown with Linseed oil....I love how it gives a black look to the metal after it dries.
That looks great MissleBear, nice job!
Did you post before pics in this thread that I missed?
jaguar01
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Re-assembled the blacksmith vise tonight. It took a few weeks of rotation in the electrolysis bin due to the size and the amount of rust built up on it, some work with a wirewheel on the bad parts, and a bit of love with the die grinder to clean up a few areas. It's surprisingly in good shape for sitting outside for the past 30 years.
I'm shocked at how asymmetrical the jaws are - I suppose the blacksmith that made it only needed to forge it functional. I'm also amused that it's stamped 75....it's a bit shy of that, although I suppose nobody back then would have weighed a vise after buying it
Gave it a good rubdown with Linseed oil....I love how it gives a black look to the metal after it dries.
Looks great. Is that a vise you’ll be setting up for yourself?
MissileBear
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I posted a few pics when I got it a month ago-
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7459731&postcount=66381
Yup - this one is going back into service. The only kind of vise made for beating! I just have to figure out where/how I'm going to mount it.
Clarification on the weight - I was thinking about it, and it didn't make sense that it was ~76 pounds when I got it, and weighed it earlier tonight at 71 pounds. I just calibrated the scale and weighed it again - 74.88 pounds. So, between the rust, the paint, and all the accumulated junk in the box, it's a pound lighter than it was.
Oh bummer, I thought I found a good one. But its still better than nothing I suppose. Thanks for the info either way
MayerMR
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Yep you started with a rough one! Nice job again!
va.grouseman
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I see MissilBear's pics, but I can't see Danallen's vise.
MayerMR
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Well, I'm the guy that took the chance on this little Trojan 702 that was on eBay recently. Made an offer that I didn't think he'd accept...welp, he did. I gotta stop doing that...
Anyway, under all this paint I think there might just be a nice vise in there. The guy sure didn't miss any part of the vise when painting it. It has got a lot of backlash from the loosely pressed on main screw collar - I'll have to fix that with a spring when I get'er back together.
I think I'm going to re-paint it blue after I get all this paint off just out of spite...
Anyway, under all this paint I think there might just be a nice vise in there. The guy sure didn't miss any part of the vise when painting it. It has got a lot of backlash from the loosely pressed on main screw collar - I'll have to fix that with a spring when I get'er back together.
I think I'm going to re-paint it blue after I get all this paint off just out of spite...
chrisnazzy
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Cant wait to see it all stripped. Hopefully no surprises under all that paint.Well, I'm the guy that took the chance on this little Trojan 702 that was on eBay recently. Made an offer that I didn't think he'd accept...welp, he did. I gotta stop doing that...
Anyway, under all this paint I think there might just be a nice vise in there. The guy sure didn't miss any part of the vise when painting it. It has got a lot of backlash from the loosely pressed on main screw collar - I'll have to fix that with a spring when I get'er back together.
I think I'm going to re-paint it blue after I get all this paint off just out of spite...
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MayerMR
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I looked over it as best I could in the auction photos and didn't see anything other than some pitting in the handle. After getting it and going over it in person, there is nothing visually I can determine to be wrong with it through the paint - evidence of filler or past repairs, etc. That said, you're right, fingers crossed that once I get the gallon of paint off it won't be be full of surprises. I've got it soaking in a rubbermaid of degreaser right now. Whatever the PO used to grease it up is tough stuff. Hopefully it'll loosen the paint up too.
honza.vosalik
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va.grouseman
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How about this Parker Union fastback.---Pretty sleek design.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Parker-794A-Swivel-Vise-4-Vintage/323506412194
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Parker-794A-Swivel-Vise-4-Vintage/323506412194
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va.grouseman
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And here's another one of those Standard Vises.---Probably made by Morgan.---A little high, but he will entertain offers.---In pretty good shape, would look good in BLO.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-VI...1Tdb3N2C:sc:UPSGround!24171!US!-1:rk:206:pf:0
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-VI...1Tdb3N2C:sc:UPSGround!24171!US!-1:rk:206:pf:0
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gman007
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I am afraid, by the time someone has sought and found and made it to this thread, it is too late. It is like the black hole event horizon, once you cross the vise event horizon, there is no force in the universe that can pull you back out. Sorry to be the bearer of the this news
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MayerMR
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I am afraid, by time someone has sought and found and made it to this thread, it is too late. It is like the black hole event horizon, once your cross the vise event horizon, there is no force in the universe that can pull you backout. Sorry to be the bearer of the this news
Yeah dude, you're donzo. Just go ahead and start setting up the alerts on your CL and other shopping apps for "Vise", etc. No use in fighting it.
gman007
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VA
It is definitively different looking and pretty streamlined.
Personally I have seen a lot more Parker Union B series (eg 974 B) than A series. And even though B series look a bit different than older Parker versions (eg 974) the general shape and design is similar (albeit possibly lower quality). This 974A definitely looks different. But then again other A series Parker look like the traditional design for example 974 1/2 A below.
So this 974A is very interesting (and is not listed in the vise spread sheet either) and perplexing (at least to me).
PS
it is too bad that one of the ears is broken
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va.grouseman
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Gman, and Mayer, yaw are killing Gothook.---Give him a chance to adjust to the new normal, slowly, and subtlety.---So stealthy, he never sees it coming.---Then be the harbinger of the incurable.
MissileBear
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First time I've seen one like that. It really looks like they just removed metal and changed the design to accommodate the reduction of material. The base is different too...unless the B series is the same way, it's completely different than the drum brake style mechanism I've seen in the other A series Parkers (and older). Also no collar, which was still used on the A series.
Curious if these were limited production and simply didn't hold up well? Maybe a precursor design for the B series?
Mr. Wonderful
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I am afraid, by the time someone has sought and found and made it to this thread, it is too late. It is like the black hole event horizon, once you cross the vise event horizon, there is no force in the universe that can pull you back out. Sorry to be the bearer of the this news
Take the blue pill, wake up in your bed, have just one import vise, and tell yourself whatever you want, the story ends.
Take the red pill and stay in wonderland, join GJ and see how far the vise rabbit hole goes......
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boostbaron
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Forgive my lack of knowledge, I just picked up a similar vise to this. Its a Wilton 450. It worked fine when i got it, i let it sit in the garage for 2 months while I put up insulation and rebuilt my work bench. The vise now feels stuck? You can the handle maybe half of a revolution and then you encounter resistance. I already took out the spindle handle and it looks just fine, but the front jaw seems to be stuck in the same spot. Do you guys have any tricks to freeing it up? I was thinking about heating it up, but im scared to damage anything. Thanks in advance!
gman007
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Boost
When you say "I already took out the spindle handle " do you mean you were able to remove the main screw, right?
Also you have stated that "You can the handle maybe half of a revolution and then you encounter resistance", does the dynamic jaw move at all during that half of a revolution?
Also you are sure that the slide was not warped and bent before you left the vise alone and it is just the rust that has seized the dynamic jaw? If so is there a lot of surface rust on the cylindrical slide (two month sounds like too short of a period of time to cause the amount of rust that would fuse the slide to the body)? Have you tried applying penetrating oil (say Kroil)?
Can you also post some photos?
boostbaron
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I was able to remove the main screw by removing the front retainer plate and 3? screws. The vise worked great when i got it. Nice and smooth operation with no hangups. There was a day in my garage when it was very humid and everything got coated in dew. The vise showed some signs of rust but it wiped off with a rag and wd40.
gman007
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So does the dynamic jaw move during the half the turn?, if so rust might not be the issue. But if it does not both rust and bent slide can cause the same type of problem.
Assuming that the slide is not bent. You can start by setting the vise on its back vertically and applying kroil penetrating oil to the slide (which should slowly seep in the very fine gap between the slide the vise body cylinder). You might have to apply the oil for some days.
Some of the member here who know what they are doing would not hesitate to use heat and cold but if you do not know what you are doing you can damage the vise, so personally I would use that as a last resort.
In principle you could also use electrolysis or Evapo-Rust to deal with rust.
The are also mechanical approaches based on hydraulic or even simple jack screw type devises. In fact recently one of the members Notlob posted (on the vise repair threrad) a YouTube video that you might consider
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7520944&postcount=6647
Personally I would start with GOOD penetrating oil such as Kroil (and in my experience wd40 does not work well) like I described above.
Ststephen7
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New Addition!
52.5lb Craftsman 506 51940
4.5" jaws, opens t 7.5"
I don't know that I want to do anything to it, other than wipe it clean and clean/grease the screw.
I should sell it, and I really want to keep it. It's a beauty!
52.5lb Craftsman 506 51940
4.5" jaws, opens t 7.5"
I don't know that I want to do anything to it, other than wipe it clean and clean/grease the screw.
I should sell it, and I really want to keep it. It's a beauty!
boostbaron
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The dynamic jaw does move a little each way, but it is very hard both in and out. I will get some kroil and give that a shot.
va.grouseman
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Boost, sounds like you had a cool night and then the temp heated up pretty fast when the sun came up and the vise sweated real bad.---It's actually worse than sitting in the rain because every part on it, outside and inside sweats, and if it wasn't sufficiently greased inside, it's got a good coating of flash rust that really bogs things down.---If that is the problem then as Gman said, the Kroil or most any kind of thin oil should free it up. but not WD40.---WD will evaporate like water and leave you worse than the before.
MissileBear
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Nice snag - that is the first gen of Craftsman vises made by Columbian (hence the 506 designation). The swivel base was optional. Looks pretty clean!
gman007
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Once you get the slide out, clean it well and then apply generous amount of grease (several members here including myself like the Mobil 1 Synthetic Grease) to the slide, screw and other points of contact. As VA stated a well lubricated vise is a lot less likely to get seized up by rust etc.
Best of luck
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va.grouseman
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St, that is a really nice Craftsman and if you sell it, I feel like you are going to have sellers remorse.---All it needs is a swivel base, (JMO), which I thing could be located.---The jaws look and match perfectly on that thing.---Decisions, decisions.
drivesitfar
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Durs: HOLLAND'S in general are great vises. that old one you have there looks like it has a bolt that would go through the bench to have a plate and a huge wing nut under the bench to swivel or keep it in place. make sure it has those parts or I suppose you can find or make some. also yours is missing it's pipe jaws which are usually MIA cause I bet a lot of owners took them out cause they were so big. then when the next buyer/owner picked up the vise the pipe jaws were left on the bench or in a drawer.
welcome to GJ!!
welcome to GJ!!
gman007
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Durs
This is indeed a very nice old Hollands.
Here is a catalog page which should give you a visual reference regarding the pipe jaws and the swivel plate that Drives commented on. While the drawing does not show the big wing nut (that Drives described), it is mentioned in the description in the last paragraph.
Note that the weight (which includes the lower swivel plate, bolt/nut. and which your vise is missing) is 88 lb.
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While the vise in photos 2 and 3 is a different model Hollands, they show a swivel mechanism similar to the one that the 127 had.
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