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Leeboy20

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I was at the local plumbing and heating store and they have a sale on these new heaters $499 . It says they heat up to 1000 sq feet and use as much energy as a coffee pot....Sounds to good to be true. I was thinking of getting 2 of them. OR am i wasting my $1000 for 2 heaters. Here is their website if anyone can shed some light. www.comfortfurnace.ca It gets pretty cold here for a few winter months. My shop is 28x30 fully insulated. 10 foot ceilings.
 
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In my opinion. Save your money !
I bought one for last winter, a very nice one, cherry cabinet, remote control. I thought I try it and see. My house is only 5 yrs old. The room I placed it in, is approximately 600 SF with 8 ft. ceilings, it consists of my kitchen, living room & dining room. Although it did provide some heat to the house, for most of the winter, Dec-March, it never shut off. If the thermostat was set on 65, it would run 24/7. It added approx $125- $150 a month to my electricity bill and my furnace still had to run, although sometimes not as often or as long.
All in all, I feel that I spent darn close to the same amount of $$ for a combination of propane & electric as I would have spent on propane alone. I don't really feel as though I saved but a couple hundred dollars (Maybe) and I still laid out $400 on the heater. I wasn't overly impressed with it's performance. That's my $.02
This year it still sits in the original box it came in. I am not even going to waste my time with it. I am just running the furnace and the gas fireplace.
 
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Mark-in-NH

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The one that is pictured in your link is the very model I bought only mine was in a cherry cabinet.
I think in the long run your money will be better spent on a modine or a hotdog or something similar.
I know some guys here that have picked up used Miller hot air furnace's out of old mobile homes and they have worked out great in a garage or shop application.
 

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Find a cheaper 5000 btu electric heater and you will be happy. I meant nothing negative about the amish. Just that one of the popular models is touting amish craftmanship.
 

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Well, just because electric is efficient, doesn't make it cost effective.
Wether it will keep it warm depends on a couple of things. Are you heating it all the time, or setting back? Do you ever open the door. Setting back and opening the door both mean that you need some extra umph to get things back up to temp. Two of these heaters just won't have the umph to do it. The only way to get cost effective umph is to go with gas imo.
 

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For 1k you can get a kerosene Infra red heater that will use little fuel and make lots of heat.

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Well......Propane or Kerosene....is my only option for now....( Since i eliminated electric). I was thinking, a Lennox/Modine/Mr.Heater overhead heater, or this Kerosene one sounds interesting. I think the infrared is a better option ( i could be wrong) Any links to the Kersosene one? Is Kerosene cheaper to run than propane? Keep the ideas comming...Need to start rebuilding the stock car sooon!!!!!!! Lee
 

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You can buy a hell of alot of propane for $1000.
Nearly 20 years ago my only workspace was a 26x20 2 stall garage with ZERO insulation.
I heated it 2-4hrs every day with a propane powered 40,000btu heater, sometimes in sub-zero temps. It got it warm enough to work comfortably in there without real havy clothes. I used 2 or 3 20lb propane grill tanks all winter.

Get yourself a modine and a couple 100lb propane tanks and you'll be set to go.
 

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Just like Hank Hill says "I recomend PROPANE!" and it not as messy only stinks when you have a leak, and thats a good thing! My vote is for propane beings it is too late to go radiant heating in floor! Hanging forced air outside air for combustion so you won't have to worry about fuel spills igniting.
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These are the high end, but if you have a large shop its the way to go. Watch the video for some serious education.

http://www.val6heater.com/moviefullscreen.htm

http://www.val6heater.com/


I got a cheaper home owner version for $175 that is kind of a poor knock off, and it still rocks. The VAL6 can heat you and your work area as well through wind and rain as it does indoors since it does not blow any air at all.
 
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Leeboy- With exposed concrete none of the infrared portable heaters will work. It acts as a heat sink and will draw the infrared to the concrete and not heat anything else. I am a dealer in Saskatchewan, when I started selling these last year it was my intention to heat the house and garage. My rep said they will not work in a garage, however I did not believe him. I tried 2, even raising them off the floor 3 feet, no go. Our house is 1060 square feet and we use the heaters as a primary heat source ( no working furnace ).

Mark- Before you give up I would like to suggest 2 things. If you had the heater along an outside wall this could be the cause, try placing it along an inside wall. If you have tried that, take it to your dealer and tell them what is going on, I have had to calibrate 2 units out of 230 sold last heating season. The concern was the same, heater runs all the time. After calibration no issues.

Anyway, hope this was of some help
Stewart
 
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I could hardly get through that Val6 video. That guy has to be the slowest talker on earth.

There test shows the best part of that style of heater but doesn't test to show how it would heat a sealed room. The others would heat a sealed room better I bet.

We use infared heaters at work and they will boil the paint right off a body panel but be ice cold if you stand right beside. They only heat objects.
 

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But...your tools and you are all "Objects", thats the point. Weedwaka, what type of heater do you have thats IR and you cant feel if you are near it? Sealed room or not, it does not matter, it is not heating the air. Post it up because we really need to know so nobody buys one on accident.

O well, just get some sorta hot air blower, Im sure it will heat the slab better? WTF?
 

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As stated, infra red heat will only heat objects in the room, not the air. The heated objects ultimately give up their heat to the air in the room so it will eventually feel comfortable out there if you have the time to wait. IR heaters are ideally suited to outdoor work sites where trying to heat the area is a lost cause but being in proximity of them will warm you up fast. If you use the space for work and relaxing, you need a comfortable heat source. For a building that's already constructed, you will find a hot water unit heater or a gas fired unit heater to be good fits. There are also several sealed combustion wall furnaces that don't take up much space as well. I used a small propane radiant IR heater for years and although It got me by in a pinch, I wouldn't consider it a first pick for a garage.
 

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Electric heater efficeincy. 100% is always 100%. Even the amish figured that out.

Exactly. I don't know how many times I have explained this to people - when you use electric you always get 100% efficiency. It might not be cost effective or cost efficient, but energy wise it is always 100% efficient.

Every year we see a new fangled heater advertised on television, radio, and print ads, and every year it is just another scam. They are nothing more than resistance heaters in new packaging, and whether it says Edenpure, or comes from the "Amish" and looks like a fireplace...it is just just another electric heater.

People would be just as well off to buy a milkhouse heater for $30 down at their local Tractor Supply store. They do the same thing for a lot less money.

All of that being said, there is a reason these heaters only cost as much to run as a coffee pot - because they aren't nearly enough to heat a space. 1500W isn't a lot of power, but then again I never knew anyone to leave a 1500W coffee pot on 24 hours a day. :)
 

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My wife seems to think the coffee pot or iron or curling iron need to run all day to keep them working well. i think I just need to shut off the main breaker when we leave the house just in case.
 

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All of that being said, there is a reason these heaters only cost as much to run as a coffee pot - because they aren't nearly enough to heat a space. 1500W isn't a lot of power, but then again I never knew anyone to leave a 1500W coffee pot on 24 hours a day. :)


Exactly, and the primary reason they are 1500W is that is about as much as you can reasonably and safely pull out of a standard 15 or 20A household outlet. Much more than that and you will be blowing breakers if there's anything else on that circuit. Rarely will you see any household appliance that draws more than 1500W.

That said, 1500W is approx. 5000 BTUs no matter how you figure it, that's it, that's all you're gonna get, I don't care what color the pretty lights are, or what the case is made out of, that's all you're gonna get, period.

And no matter where you place the heater, how it's controls are calibrated, what it's pointed at, or what it's actually heating, if your room's heat loss is 10,000BTUs you are NOT going to heat that room solely on a 1500W heater, no way, no how, even if it's running 24-7, and trying is going to cost alot of money.
 

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Were in luck here in Iceland, we use hot water straight from the earth to heat our houses.
I have now idea how much I pay monthly to heat up my house and garage, maybe ca.$20-30
 

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Yes I absolutely agree to this statement "Exactly. I don't know how many times I have explained this to people - when you use electric you always get 100% efficiency. It might not be cost effective or cost efficient, but energy wise it is always 100% efficient."


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Do a search for "EdenPure Scam" and see what is said about the Amish made infared or quarts heaters.

'nuff said.
 

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Disclosure: I work with a company that sells infrared heaters similar to Edenpure. However, the following statements are based on my own personal experience.

I am aware that this thread is aging, but I would like to contribute my opinion for reference, if that's okay.

That said, 1500W is approx. 5000 BTUs no matter how you figure it, that's it, that's all you're gonna get, I don't care what color the pretty lights are, or what the case is made out of, that's all you're gonna get, period.

It's like a law of science in itself: In any discussion about infrared heaters, someone will bring up the fact that 1500W = ~5000 BTUs = 1500W. This perfectly true - and it should follow that an enclosed cabinet infrared heater of the Edenpure variety (which traps almost 100% of the lightwaves and so doesn't even have the advantages of radiant heat) is no better than a $30 milkhouse heater in a fancy cabinet. That's the theory. The trouble is, real world experience would seem to suggest otherwise.

I have used - and still do use - an enclosed-cabinet infrared heater, so I am speaking from personal experience, not what I read in some marketing material.

The advantage is not in the generation of those BTU's - it's in how the BTU's are distributed. I don't blame anyone for being skeptical, but an infrared heater can toast a room in 10 minutes that a milkhouse heater of the same wattage would barely warm in half an hour. It can make a shockingly large area "feel" warm to occupants far from the heater, where a "normal" space heater of the same wattage would not get much further than roasting the carpet immediately in front of its grille.

I don't blame anybody for being skeptical - I was skeptical myself until I actually tried it (and I remain skeptical about certain dubious marketing practices connected with certain infrared heater brands :headscrat). Once I experienced it for myself, however, I quickly found that the heat-distribution thing, easily explicable or not, is very real.

That said, the following statement is right on:

If your room's heat loss is 10,000BTUs you are NOT going to heat that room solely on a 1500W heater, no way, no how, even if it's running 24-7, and trying is going to cost alot of money.

An enclosed-cabinet infrared heater is generally not a good primary heat source, particularly for a drafty area like a garage. It can help save you energy through the use of zone heating - taking the heater from room to room and keeping the rest of the house cold - or by warming perenniel cold spots that have been keeping your thermostat set too high. It's not right for everybody, but there are many situations where it can be just what you needed.
 

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Do a search for "EdenPure Scam" and see what is said about the Amish made infared or quarts heaters.

'nuff said.

A point of record here: Edenpure (which is not a brand we sell) has had the fortune, or misfortune, of becoming the de facto term used to refer to infrared heaters in general. Consequently, it often gets equated/conflated with certain unrelated (to my knowledge) heaters that are marketed with terms like "Amish." AFAIK, Edenpure doesn't market theirs that way.

If you visit my sig site you may notice that we refer to Mennonite craftsmen. Believe it or not, these are actually Mennonites whom we know personally and who do make infrared heaters start to finish from scratch, sheet metal work and all.

Please don't conflate us with those "Amish" ads in major newspapers either! :)
 
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