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My son may buy a house which has some asbestos on the furnace ductwork, The house is old, built in 1905, it seems to have been well taking care of but i'am trying to talk him out of buying it because of the asbestos issue. Anyone out there that has dealt with this ? Is it a big issue or am i over reacting? I've told him he should hire someone who knows more about this stuff but he just doesnt seem to concerned about it :confused:
 
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Have him hire a licensed asbestos guy to come over and give an estimate on what it would cost to make it go away.

See if the house seller will pay some of it in the negotiations.
 

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It’s a concern, yes, but by no means a walk-away issue.

In my area a homeowner can do whatever they want with asbestos and dispose of it as normal trash. I don’t recommend that. My 1937-era hot water heat had asbestos insulation over all the pipes in the basement (and probably still in the walls). I had a local abatement contractor remove all the accessible ACM (asbestos containing material) and run air tests certifying the job at the end, and it wasn’t an unreasonable cost at all.

Although it doesn’t sound reassuring, if the material isn’t disturbed it’s quite low risk. One can leave it untouched. It’s doing things that get it airborne that’s the problem.
 
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most people have asbestos in their house & aren't aware of it. to get rid of i t would not be economical . if you're worried about it, they will have to get a house built after the mid 90's at the earliest to be asbestos free
 

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In most cases it's fine if left alone. If you have to remove it that's a different matter. Depending on where he lives he may be able to remove it, bag it up and dispose of it safely, other areas require the work to be done by a licensed asbestos abatement contractor.
 

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I believe what you're dealing with is friable asbestos. Basically asbestos has been used in insulation as you've described will break apart and float in the air where it becomes dangerous if inhaled. I used to deal with this before I retired. As has been suggested earlier I would have a professional who is certified take a look and give you a price on abatement. I would suggest your son places a contingency clause in his purchase offer on the house to cover the cost of removal.
 

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In most cases it's fine if left alone. If you have to remove it that's a different matter. Depending on where he lives he may be able to remove it, bag it up and dispose of it safely, other areas require the work to be done by a licensed asbestos abatement contractor.

In our area, there is a "loop hole" that says the owner can do the work without license or permit.

On that type of asbestos, I would NOT !
 

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On that type of asbestos, I would NOT !

If anything, based on what I found in my house I'd say the asbestos wrap on furnace ducts would be the safest kind to remove. It was in sheets that can be unwrapped from the duct easily with minimal damage. On the other hand, the stuff they used on steam pipes or on the furnaces themselves was applied in sort of a paste form and allowed to harden, that stuff is just about impossible to remove without it breaking into chunks.
 

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Asbestos was and is in every old house -- some states went bonkers with restrictions ... there was a huge industry that grew up around removal and had a vested interest in making people scared and legislatures writing rules to limit those able to perform the work.

The money made in the early years 80's was not to be believed ...
 

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What about all the lead paint? There are all kinds of issues with old houses. Every old house has them. If you are worried about asbestos. Why not tape it and seal it. Encapsulate it and leave do what it was designed to do, insulate the ducts. If it is disclosed on the real estate forms follow the rules as you may be ask what happened to it when you want to sell. Personally I would remove it and make it disappear but that is me. I removed siding with it and disposed of it per rules. I put it in a special garbage bag and took to landfill. They registered it and buried it next to all the other trash. Check out your options but do not be afraid of the house without fully exploring the options.
 

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The stuff should be thoroughly soaked through with water/dish detergent solution before touching it. Once soaked, it can't become airborne. Get it in plastic bags while wet and seal the bags tight. Of course you want to wear a good respirator and full body coverall which also gets sealed in bags.
 

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At least 3 ways to go about this.

1) Make it into a big deal, get the owner to take it out, test, and certify clean before he buys it.

2) Get a licensed abatement contractor to give a bid to clean it up. Ask that this amount be deducted from the purchase price. Then:
a) pay the guy to clean it up, certify it.
b) take it out yourself, pocket the money.
c) encapsulate it in place with lacquer, plastic, tape, etc. and leave it.

3) Do nothing, and just live with it.

I'd personally do 2b. Or, if I didn't want to do that, I'd do 1, 2a, 2c in that order. I wouldn't do 3, the problem isn't going away and regulations and cost won't get less with time. It needs dealt with somehow NOW.

If you do the removal yourself, take reasonable precautions, spray it with lacquer or clear coat before removing, wet it during removal, use a HEPA vacuum to do cleanup after wet mopping and letting it dry.

Asbestos is a big deal for those that have extensive exposure to inhaling friable material, but the less you're exposed, and the older you are, the less risk there is because the incubation time before it affects you is about 20+ years. I'm likely in the last 20 years of my life, so I'm not particularly concerned with it at this time. I still take reasonable precautions, and do a thorough and complete cleanup when I'm done. The biggest thing is don't let it get airborne. Encapsulate the surface by pre-soaking it with a fixative, and then wet the material as you remove it to suppress dusting. Then, wet cleanup the residues thoroughly so it doesn't dry out and become airborne. Finally, use a good vacuum to thoroughly clean all surfaces that were exposed to your cleanup efforts, with a vacuum that has an effective HEPA filter.

I worked extensively with friable asbestos, unprotected, for about 3 years in my late teens and early 20's, before it was generally known it was a hazard. 40 years later, I haven't developed any disease yet. That's fortunate, a lot of the people in my industry did.

This is really good advice and pretty much what I do when I encounter it. It's not as bad as its made out to be and was extremely prevalent in pretty much every form of insulation and friction material(clutch, brake pads) before the mid 80's. Once you understand why and how it can be dangerous its not that difficult to deal with once you understand how it becomes dangerous.
 

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6 years ago I paid about $1200 to have asbestos removed from tbe piping in my basement. Im in Queens NY. I could have done it cheaper my self. But for the risk, i consider it $ well spent. Peace of mind.
 

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6 years ago I paid about $1200 to have asbestos removed from tbe piping in my basement. Im in Queens NY. I could have done it cheaper my self. But for the risk, i consider it $ well spent. Peace of mind.
I tend to agree with you, maybe I could do it myself without a problem, but why take the chance? We know asbestos can pose medical problems, so I wouldn't feel good about exposing my loved ones to a possible danger.
 

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Are you sure it's asbestos? Most likely, yes, but perhaps confirmation is worth a few bucks.

A friend of mine runs one of the better asbestos labs in the country, and she confirmed that the stuff on my old hot water heat pipes was indeed ACM, but the stuff inside the radiator cavities in the wall was simple cellulose (thankfully).

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I've read that you can paint it with latex paint as a way to encapsulate the material. This isn't removal but it does make it stable and prevent particles from getting airborne.
 

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I've read that you can paint it with latex paint as a way to encapsulate the material. This isn't removal but it does make it stable and prevent particles from getting airborne.

This is true. Some of my colleagues decades ago at the research institute where I started my career made a series of asbestos training/awareness videos for the EPA and this was one of the things they taught.
 

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First I would find out what the local regulations are. If they are pretty lax it may not be too bad to work on it yourself w/ one of the suggestions above. If they are stringent it could get expensive. We once considered buying a house as a rental in Md. It had the old asbestos siding. The regs there are so stringent I decided it wasn't worth the effort.
 
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At least 3 ways to go about this.

1) Make it into a big deal, get the owner to take it out, test, and certify clean before he buys it.

2) Get a licensed abatement contractor to give a bid to clean it up. Ask that this amount be deducted from the purchase price. Then:
a) pay the guy to clean it up, certify it.
b) take it out yourself, pocket the money.
c) encapsulate it in place with lacquer, plastic, tape, etc. and leave it.

3) Do nothing, and just live with it.

I'd personally do 2b. Or, if I didn't want to do that, I'd do 1, 2a, 2c in that order. I wouldn't do 3, the problem isn't going away and regulations and cost won't get less with time. It needs dealt with somehow NOW.

If you do the removal yourself, take reasonable precautions, spray it with lacquer or clear coat before removing, wet it during removal, use a HEPA vacuum to do cleanup after wet mopping and letting it dry.

Asbestos is a big deal for those that have extensive exposure to inhaling friable material, but the less you're exposed, and the older you are, the less risk there is because the incubation time before it affects you is about 20+ years. I'm likely in the last 20 years of my life, so I'm not particularly concerned with it at this time. I still take reasonable precautions, and do a thorough and complete cleanup when I'm done. The biggest thing is don't let it get airborne. Encapsulate the surface by pre-soaking it with a fixative, and then wet the material as you remove it to suppress dusting. Then, wet cleanup the residues thoroughly so it doesn't dry out and become airborne. Finally, use a good vacuum to thoroughly clean all surfaces that were exposed to your cleanup efforts, with a vacuum that has an effective HEPA filter.

I worked extensively with friable asbestos, unprotected, for about 3 years in my late teens and early 20's, before it was generally known it was a hazard. 40 years later, I haven't developed any disease yet. That's fortunate, a lot of the people in my industry did.

2b is horrible advice. You obviously have above average knowledge and experience with ACMs. The person buying the house most likely does not.

Get an inspection, have the seller deduct the PROPER removal and tests from the purchase price of the house. ACMs other than non friable floor tiles is going t end up being very expense. At some point it will need to be removed, whether it's for new HVAC ductwork or even just to get some service work done. It might as well not come out of the buyer's pocket.

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"if you're worried about it, they will have to get a house built after the mid 90's at the earliest to be asbestos free "

A bit earlier....
"https://www.thisoldhouse.com/more/what-you-need-to-know-about-asbestos"

Before you purchase the house the asbestos should be removed or have an estimate of removal cost and deduct from the house price. I was an asbestos manager, I removed asbestos from my heating system by totally saturating the stuff, mixing with cement, producing cement blocks as containment; couple of fans in the basement windows to produce negative air pressure. Then washing the ceiling, walls, and cement floor with detergent and high pressure . If owner insists it is not asbestos, have it tested before signing. Almost forgot, if he figures he will live with it, imagine how much it will cost him when he goes to sell the house.
Ps If he has kids, they like to play with the stuff.
 
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Get an inspection, have the seller deduct the PROPER removal and tests from the purchase price of the house. ACMs other than non friable floor tiles is going t end up being very expense. At some point it will need to be removed, whether it's for new HVAC ductwork or even just to get some service work done. It might as well not come out of the buyer's pocket.

Tommy

This is the only correct answer.
 

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My grandfather told me that his brother went to visit the asbestos mines as a school field trip! Imagine that.
 

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I used to work in commercial asbestos removal and if it is undisturbed
I would do what others have said leave it alone or just paint it.

I would also get a quote from a licensed asbestos contractor just have a bid of negotiating power,
some stuff goes on record once discovered so that might give you more levarage but I am not sure if that is the case with asbestos

Not sure if I would bother doing it myself.

Regarding lead paint, it is fine as long as not disturbed, when you start sanding or renovation is when the trouble starts.
 

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I wouldn't worry about it if it is in good shape. Leave it alone and there won't be an issue.


Exactly. I don't know why everyone is insisting that it be removed. It has been there for 115 years with no issues. Leave it alone. Don't eat it or chop it up and get it airborne. It is perfectly legal to stay. Imagine how many homeowners have bought and sold houses with A in it. My last house had it on the ducts. I sold the house with no issues.

The house probably has lead paint, too.

Yes, it most certainly does. Again, don't go chewing on the wood moldings and you'll be fine.
 

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Leave it alone. Don't eat it or chop it up and get it airborne.



Actually I think you can eat all you want, just don’t get it airborne and breath the dust

Hahaha

It’s so funny because everybody freaks out over asbestos because all the lawyer commercials trying to get a cut of the settlement money




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Actually I think you can eat all you want, just don’t get it airborne and breath the dust

Hahaha

It’s so funny because everybody freaks out over asbestos because all the lawyer commercials trying to get a cut of the settlement money




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Yeah, I am sure guys like Steve McQueen were paid off by ambulance chasers.
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My son may buy a house which has some asbestos on the furnace ductwork, The house is old, built in 1905, it seems to have been well taking care of but i'am trying to talk him out of buying it because of the asbestos issue. Anyone out there that has dealt with this ? Is it a big issue or am i over reacting? I've told him he should hire someone who knows more about this stuff but he just doesnt seem to concerned about it :confused:

I'd make a big deal about it. It's not that it's necessarily dangerous, but as a buyer I wouldn't want to have to resell a house with asbestos someday.

Maybe the owner will have it removed. Maybe your son can split the cost with the owner.

I had a similar situation with mold when I sold my house. The mold in my house was not a big deal (a 12" x 12" patch under my roof), but I ended up paying a lot to get it taken care of. Once the word gets out about stuff like this, it can be hard to sell the house. There are people that will absolutely walk away from something like this.
 

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meh. years ago, i removed asbestos from my last home just using simple box store respirators. it's not the bogeyman people make it out to be. just use simple precautions (listed above) if you want to remove it yourself.

prior to the 70's, this stuff was in just about everything, including siding, shingles, tile, insulation, etc & people didn't take any precautions when messing with it, & they didn't drop like flies.

spending gobs of money to have guys in bunnysuits handle such a small amount of asbestos like radioactive material is a bit silly. imho, abate away!
 

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....it's not the bogeyman people make it out to be. ....

spending gobs of money to have guys in bunnysuits handle such a small amount of asbestos like radioactive material is a bit silly. imho, abate away!

Some people are forced into the gobs. I'm doing a bathroom reno in a condo. The strata required full bore bunnysuits and paperwork before they would give authorization letter for owner to get building permits. Could have been done meeting all local codes and national standards for cheaper without a couple strata leaders afraid of the bogeyman.
 

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Well I gutted half my house eight years ago and took the drywall to the dump.

Then I gutted the master bedroom a few years later and suddenly at the dump I was nearly arrested for having a truckload of asbestos containing material open to the atmospheric.

Eight years ago drywall couldn't kill me, suddenly it's going to kill me and everyone around me.

Now do I worry? I grew up in this house with my dad constantly busting up drywall and moving walls around.

Anyway, here a homeowner is allowed to remove it themselves, double bagged in 6 mil labeled bags it can go to the landfill.
 

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There is a whole lot of misinformation in this thread. But I would like to know from the OP if the asbestos is just duct tape or actual duct insulation.
 

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My son may buy a house which has some asbestos on the furnace ductwork, The house is old, built in 1905, it seems to have been well taking care of but i'am trying to talk him out of buying it because of the asbestos issue. Anyone out there that has dealt with this ? Is it a big issue or am i over reacting? I've told him he should hire someone who knows more about this stuff but he just doesnt seem to concerned about it :confused:

You're over-reacting. It's easily removed by the homeowner or encapsulated by same. If it's not in friable condition there is nothing to worry about. The EPA website has information.
 

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You're over-reacting. It's easily removed by the homeowner or encapsulated by same. If it's not in friable condition there is nothing to worry about. The EPA website has information.

Duct or pipe insulation is about the MOST friable type of ACM. There is almost no way to remove or disturb it without it getting airborne. Even soaking it isn't super effective unless it's absolutely completely saturated.

Tommy
 
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