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goldie lox

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Looking to get a framing nail gun for personal use at home, I like Milwaukee tools and wondered about their nail gun, probably could get a hf one but rather get a better one, anyone use a Milwaukee one how’s it compare to paslode bostich senco
 
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I've got the Milwaukee framer. It's pretty nice. I had a Porter Cable before it, which was also pretty nice, and an HF before that. The HF ran through about 5000 nails before it started getting finicky, and needed a LOT of oil to work reliably by then, but otherwise served me well.

If you're in the business, you'll appreciate a better tool's better longevity. But even the cheap ones still shot nails.
 

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I bought a paslode f350s used on ebay for 115. Used it to frame a basement, build a shed, etc...I use it all the time and works great. Nails readily available at any big box store.
 

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I bought a paslode f350s used on ebay for 115. Used it to frame a basement, build a shed, etc...I use it all the time and works great. Nails readily available at any big box store.

Same gun I have. All the same reasons I bought it. Works well, easy to get nails for.
 

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Bought an hf to build my shed.worked great

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I’ve got an old clipped head Bostitch that I’ve had for 15+ years now. Used for all kinds of projects around the house, but nails are getting hard to find locally. Most have moved to different angles and full head nails now.
 

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For typical home use, wear out a HF before you spend a bunch on a "real" tool.
 

8mpg

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The Hitachi is what almost every framer around here uses. Its $169 at Lowes. We have friends that are framers and their entire crew uses Hitachi as well.
 

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I bought a Banks last year. Harbor Freight has three lines, Banks is the middle one. Nails for it are available just about anywhere, and after approximately 20,000 nails I've had exactly two jams. I don't consider that too bad for a nailer that costs $120 before a 25% discount (so $90).
 

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Even though my 15g is currently at the Georgia service center, the Hitachi nailers have been nothing short of fantastic. I own an 18g as well and was only able to borrow the framer, but man are they consistent and no BS.
 
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I have a Dewalt - works great, adjustable depth, has a switch for bump fire vs single fire, built in clip for rafters. Only thing it doesnt have that would be nice (and hell maybe it does.. ) is a dry fire lockout.. so when you are out of nails it wont shoot.

Hitachi is the undisputed king though.. the NR83's are champs.
 

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My Milwaukee has all that and a dry fire lockout. That’s a great feature.

I don’t remember if my PC had it, but that is so old that its features won’t align with anything today. I know that my HF didn’t have that, and it really annoyed me.
 

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Less than a day for a production framing crew.

I could see a crew going through more than a case in a day, but that's not all run through one gun. Also, those same guys might be going through (or rebuilding) a nailer every few months.
 

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I could see a crew going through more than a case in a day, but that's not all run through one gun. Also, those same guys might be going through (or rebuilding) a nailer every few months.

Wasnt quite that bad when I was framing. Trigger seals about once a month. That's a $15 part that can be changed in 5 minutes using a nail for a punch.

Full rebuild about once a year. Guns usually got dropped and destroyed before they were due the second rebuild.

We ran Paslode 350s some of the other brands it was literally work on them daily. The Bostitch guns were the worst.

Now I'm doing maintenance and remodels framing gun usage has went way down. All I carry anymore is a cordless Paslode.

If you want to know if a tool is any good give it to a production framing crew. If it's not broke within a week it's a good tool!

In all reality nail guns are pretty simple once you understand how they work. You can do a full rebuild in about an hour on the tailgate if need be
 
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Paslode F350s here. I resisted the temptation to buy a cheap framer, and the Paslode has been flawless.

I’m not a carpenter, by have essentially demo’d a house to replace the floor joists and interior (and much of the exter) wall studs, added trusses to a flat roof garage, built several sheds4 decks, framed a basement, enclosed a lean to, and who knows what else.

All in a day’s work for a real carpenter, but quality tools ad to the experience.
 

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i tried the HF version, but i must have gotten a lemon, as it worked fine for ~50 nails, then wouldn't load (even after oiling). ended up getting the $150 hitachi a few years back & it's been a champ. before i got the hitachi, i borrowed a buddy's bostich & that worked find too. bostich was wire collated vs paper collated for my hitachi.
 

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I have a Dewalt - works great, adjustable depth, has a switch for bump fire vs single fire, built in clip for rafters. Only thing it doesnt have that would be nice (and hell maybe it does.. ) is a dry fire lockout.. so when you are out of nails it wont shoot.
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My Banks (HF) has all that except the clip for rafters. But it does have a dry fire lockout,
 

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Hello

The best framing nailer is the one that will allow you to accomplish your tasks in a safe, speedy, and easy manner, that will last you a long time, and that doesn’t break your budget. which i prefer is using Hitachi's NR90AC3 Full-Head Framing Nailer which is with the high-powered and long-lasting . It is simple yet strong, possesses superior power and performance, and is ruggedly comfortable. This works great.:thumbup::)
 

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For a pro what is that ? A couple of weeks ?



Easily a day sometimes. Or a couple days.
One of the last houses we did had 13 or so beams. Shortest being 14’. Lots of nails went into that. My hitachi was great.


Hitachi all the way. Light and powerful.
 
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Jbullfrog

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Get a framer that shoots full headed nails. Clipped head nails have been phasing out because the don't meet code in most places. In the last 20 years I've been working with wood, Hitachi was the most popular framing nailer. Most lumber yards carry nails for them. Used ones work great and parts are readily available, but seldom needed. Hitachi framers are a bit heavier to carry, but the weight keeps them in place and helps drive the nails in. Remember, you need 90psi at the gun, and if the compressor kicks on, wait until it kick out to start shooting again, or you will have nails that aren't fully sunk.
 

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Get a framer that shoots full headed nails. Clipped head nails have been phasing out because the don't meet code in most places. In the last 20 years I've been working with wood, Hitachi was the most popular framing nailer. Most lumber yards carry nails for them. Used ones work great and parts are readily available, but seldom needed. Hitachi framers are a bit heavier to carry, but the weight keeps them in place and helps drive the nails in. Remember, you need 90psi at the gun, and if the compressor kicks on, wait until it kick out to start shooting again, or you will have nails that aren't fully sunk.



Hitachi framing nailers are not heavy. They are one of the lightest from my experience.

If your having issues nailing when compressor is running either your tank is way to small, hose is plugged/too small or your gun needs oil. About the only compressors that might not keep up are pancakes.

I’m not aware of any code stating clipped head nails aren’t aloud. I’m curious to see the code I’ve seen someone else mention this.
 

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My area requires full round head nails. In So Cal, not only full round head nails are required, but a true code compliant nails is a 16D common nail, which is uncommon for most framing nail guns to shoot.

For example, the vaunted (and excellent) and certainly the gold standard of nail guns in California in general is the NR83a, which shoots a maximum length and diameter nail that is equivalent to only 16 shorts, or sinkers, meaning 3 1/4" long by .131" diameter. However, a true 16D common nail is actually 3 1/2" long by .162" diameter. Very very few nail guns on the market are made to shoot a true 16D common size of nail, yet that is the LA code nail since the Northridge earthquake 30 years ago.

The Hitachi NR90AE can shoot a 3 1/2" nail, but only up to .148" diameter. Essentially, a 12D diameter nail, that is the length of a 16 penny nail. Not to be confused with the NR90AE, is the NR90AC3 (mentioned earlier upthread yesterday by new GJ member "JohnTY"), now discontinued, and it's replacement, now called the NR90AC5. The NR90AC5 is one of the very few framing nail guns capable of shooting a 3 1/2" by .162" true 16D common LA CC Code nail. This nail gun is $349.00.

The less expensive NR90AE, mentioned upthread by GJ member "8 mpg", at around $169, is an entirely different gun altogether, and not in the same league as the NR90AC3 and iterative NR90AC5, which have wholly different cylinders and driver heads than the far more popular NR90AE. The reason that the NR90AE is more popular (and thus has 500 times more reviews) is simply due to the fact that it is cheaper, and unless the buyer completely understands the differences between the lengths and Thickness Diameters of the nails that the code may require for either seismic or hurricane resistance (depending on local), buyers can't see the point in spending more for what on paper appears to be the same thing, offered by the same trusted brand, Hitachi.

So why is the NR83a still more popular among professional framers? Because the air cylinder and head design of the NR83a is yet different still, offering a very fast and extremely durable and reliable refresh rate for rapid firing of nails. In most jurisdictions, the code permits framing a stud to plate joint with 3 x 3.25" x .131" nails in lieu of 2 x 3.50" x .162" nails. So unless an inspector in a local jurisdiction specifically requires the latter nail, shooting three of the former nail per joint will match the calculated structural requirement.

Another favorable point about the NR83A gun, and it's subsequent iterations, including the current NR83A5, the previous NR83A3, and the prior NR83A2... is the top loading steel magazine. Far quicker to load and unload than the back loading aluminum magazines that Hitachi uses in all of the NR90AE and NR90AC guns. The NR83A5 is also twice the price of the NR90AE, and about $20 to $30 less than the NR90AC5.

This is one of those cases where one gets what they pay for.

It is also one of those cases where one may not need to get all that is available... so there is a valid argument for getting a lower cost nail gun for DIY or non professional use.

One thing that hasn't been discussed much in this thread is ammo. The angle of the ammo is often associated with the method of collation. 21 degree strip nails are plastic collated. 33 degree strip nails are paper collated. Coil nails are wire collated. Each has it's advantages and disadvantages.

Plastic collated nails are spaced further apart from each other, which means more reloads, as there are fewer nails per strip. When using plastic collated nails for siding, the "chad", or plastic bits, can get trapped under the head of the nail, leaving unsightly tails for the painting crew to have to putty knife off, if they care enough to. (They don't). The plastic bits can also fly in the face, but that is certainly better than bits of wire flying in the face, and regardless, eye protection should be used at all times.

The advantage of 21 degree plastic collated nails likely outweigh the disadvantages mentioned in the paragraph above, for two simple, but major reasons. First, unlike paper collated nails, which can easily get saturated from condensation or rain or snow, and thus break apart before they are ever able to be loaded into a gun, the plastic collated nails can withstand the flood that Noah sailed his ark through and never fall apart at the seams. Second, plastic collated nails are full round head.

There are some paper collated nails that are also full round head, but there are also clipped head paper collated nails, so extra care must be taken to determine what's in the box. I don't bother with paper collated nails for the first reason alone... I want the strips to stay together... but the second reason is equally important. I know that if I'm ordering a 21 degree box of strip nails, they will be full round head period.
 
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