picts of your in-floor heat set ups.

[nate379]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

Don't know if you care, but looking at that pic, the location of your breaker panel to the heat stuff is a code violation.

"No gas, electric, water, fastened in place furniture such as counter tops fastened to wall or any other foreign products not related to that panel is allowed in that 30"wide dedicated wall space with 36" clear approach both being from ceiling to floor. There are two exceptions. If existing then the 36" clear approach may be reduced to 30" making the area 30" x 30" for existing structures as an exception. There is a rule that allows less than 6 1/2' of ceiling height when the residential panel is 200 amps or less."

 

[nate379]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

Are you missing the expansion tank, or is it just not in that picture?

its alive! got it hooked up and running last night slab was 24deg. 8 hrs later the slab is 56 f .I will post up some more picts as soon as i can.

 

[Ezzie]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

Finally got my system up and running about a month ago. It's a 110,000 btu/hr. natural gas fired boiler with an integrated 15 gal. indirect hot water tank. The floor side consists of 3 zones heating 2000 sq. ft. Total of 3250 ft. of 1/2" PEX and it took 40 gals. of 50/50 mix propylene glycol and water mix. Watts manifolds with floor slab stats to a Taco controller. The boiler has an internal circulator pump (Grundfos) so the slabs are controlled with zone valves only.

 

[custom1]

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the boiler that I used is a little bigger that recomended but I do live in MN. and if you look close I am trying to plan for the future I am going to add another loop when I add a infloor lift and I will coil some tubes around the lift to just heat the center of the other bay that is 26x30 hopefully that works or the boiler just runs less??? maybe??

Ok. It all makes sense now. Thanks for the explanation. I should have picked up on the capped off manifold.

I forgot to take a pic last night. Oh well, maybe tonight.

 

[E.rodz]

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Are you missing the expansion tank, or is it just not in that picture?

yes the expansion tank is off in the pict. removed for a presure test.there is a finished pict in the thread.as far as for the code violation I did talk to the inspector about the issue.I can resolve this by reversing the pannel and putting it on the other side of the wall wich will be an easy fix because the pannel is almost empty.good catch i was trying to take the pict so this did not show but I guess I missed.

 

[nate379]

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Sorry I had a brainfart there... been up for too long and somehow didn't connect the 2 pics together. It's pretty clear the tank is there in the 2nd pic Derr Derr Derr!

The min clearance on the breaker panel isn't the end of the world, but I just mentioned it in case you didn't know. Good deal that you looked into it though.




Curious for all you all... are you guys going to insulate the copper pipes?? I am planning on doing mine in the near future. The garage loop almost never comes on because of the heat I loose off the pipes. It keeps it at ~70* and I have it set to 50*!

 

[nate379]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

Nice setup! If you did all that work yourself, I can imagine it took some research!

Are the white boxes on the wall digital temp gauges??

Finally got my system up and running about a month ago. It's a 110,000 btu/hr. natural gas fired boiler with an integrated 15 gal. indirect hot water tank. The floor side consists of 3 zones heating 2000 sq. ft. Total of 3250 ft. of 1/2" PEX and it took 40 gals. of 50/50 mix propylene glycol and water mix. Watts manifolds with floor slab stats to a Taco controller. The boiler has an internal circulator pump (Grundfos) so the slabs are controlled with zone valves only.

 

[Ezzie]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

Nice setup! If you did all that work yourself, I can imagine it took some research!

Are the white boxes on the wall digital temp gauges??

Nate,

Yes, I did all the work myself on this. You are right in that I did a ton of research on this - it was my first attempt at doing something like this and I really learned a lot. The little white boxes on the wall are the digital thermostats, one for each zone. I found out after the fact that this was one small errors I made. They should actually be in the room that the zone is heating since they ideally are intended to sense both air temp as well as slab temp. There is nothing really wrong with this since it works fine - just likely to be a bit of overshoot during transitions in spring and fall.

 

[Ron Lombardo]

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Ok here is my set up ... in the pic its not complete...but presently it is up and running.

Ron

 

[Rich]

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I just got the system up & running yesterday. I went out this morning and was greeting by a 61 degree garage!!!

 

[G M]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

Mine

 

[wmonroe]

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Mine

How many Kw is that unit? What size area are you heating with it?
Thanks

 

[G M]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

9kw 1000sqft

 

[wmonroe]

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Thanks. Do you have any problems with it keeping up? What is the average outdoor temperature during the winter? If you don't mind me asking what does it cost per month to run?

 

[G M]

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No problems at all keeping up. Some additional info, I have 13 foot ceilings in half the garage, 3 OH doors and 9 windows.

I will know in a couple days how much it cost me last month. Over the past 30 days it has been about 5*F average and getting as low as -20*F and lower.

Actually there is a calculator on their website for heating costs.

http://www.conceptmfginc.com/

 

[wmonroe]

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Thanks for the info, that very helpful.

 

[E.rodz]

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GM wow thats a monster boiler for a 9 kw rating! i thought in a earlier post you were heating it with a 7 kw boiler? if you ar heating 1000 sq. ft what are the run lenghts of your zones? not very many tubes coming from the slab.it looks like you have three zones in a 1000 ft is it sectioned off? why three zones with only one loop per zone? why three zones? just trying to get an understanding for a future system.

 

[regguy1]

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Here's mine

Nice neat wokmanship

 

[G M]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

GM wow thats a monster boiler for a 9 kw rating! i thought in a earlier post you were heating it with a 7 kw boiler? if you ar heating 1000 sq. ft what are the run lenghts of your zones? not very many tubes coming from the slab.it looks like you have three zones in a 1000 ft is it sectioned off? why three zones with only one loop per zone? why three zones? just trying to get an understanding for a future system.

They don't make a 7 kw according to the website. I am fairly certain it is 9, I would have to go outside to check. I have 3 zones because I have the garage divided into three rooms. One room to park a daily driver in, it gets heated to 4c, the middle workshop area I heat to 10c and the third room I park summer only vehicles so I dont even heat it at all. The boiler isnt that big, but I dont really have anything to compare it to.

 

[5wndwcpe]

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Nice neat wokmanship

Thanks. It work great, but with propane @ $3.44 a gal. it's a little saltier than I had imagined.

 

[custom1]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

Well here are a few pics of mine. It's not much to look at yet. This has been a slow process. But at least I have the floor well insulated, the tubing in and manifold hooked up. I also ran a couple of different 220 lines over because I haven't decided yet on which boiler(one takes a single 60 amp and one takes 2- 40 amp breakers). I can use the extra line, if there is one, for a welder outlet or whatever as it was only an 18' run so not too much in wire. It may be a while till I get a boiler etc. but I am leaning toward a Seisco or Hydro Shark III.

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As you can see in the next pic I covered the 4' block wall with smooth door cut-outs (They also insulate the edge of the slab) and I will cap them off with a shelf made out of 1x6. I will probable paint the shelf black and incorporate it into some stripes. Then I will steal E.rods diamond plate idea to protect the pex from the shelf to the floor.

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Currently waiting on the drywall finisher to sand then I can get painting and put the shelf up etc.

 

[nate379]

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Any reason you have it so high off the floor?

 

[custom1]

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Any reason you have it so high off the floor?

Just easier. The bottom 4' is block and covered by 1 3/4" insulation and is harder to mount to. Plus it is half way along the right side wall and I wanted it high enough to not get run into with anything. Plus all the controls, gauges and such will be at eye level. Also I can still put work benches or tool boxes under it, so I didn't lose any floor space.

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[E.rodz]

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Just easier. The bottom 4' is block and covered by 1 3/4" insulation and is harder to mount to. Plus it is half way along the right side wall and I wanted it high enough to not get run into with anything. Plus all the controls, gauges and such will be at eye level. Also I can still put work benches or tool boxes under it, so I didn't lose any floor space.

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nice job looks like you will have a nice clean system when your done,so far super happy with mine it has been below zero for weeks and the system does not run very often at all.but the first months bill has not arived yet.cant wait for that!keep up the great work.

 

[E.rodz]

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holy sh!t the first bill came with the electric bill was $350 more than last years for one month great to have heat in the floor but thats nuts this is for heating only 650 sq. ft. with dynomite insulation low ceiling height 3" of foam under the slab. I did leave the room at 61f and let it run for the month to see how much it was going to add to the bill was not quite expecting that my ******** energy bill was almost as much as my morgage payment.then when i dug into the bill a little further I noticed the increase coming up for next year and come on does every majior business get a raise and my wages go backward. the good news is it is working awsome.bad news is I can't aford to use it..set the therm down to 50f and we will se how that goes.

 

[BluOvalAddict]

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Work in progress. Air leak testing it right now and she's finally holding after a little extra persuasion with big wrenches on the union fittings. Hoping to fill and fire up this weekend.....if not sooner.

Would'a been nice doing this back in October....but then again it would'a been nice doing this 4 years ago when we moved in.

Floor tubing has been holding 50psi (air) since pouring the floor back in April 2004 so hopefully no surprises.

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[tdkkart]

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holy sh!t the first bill came with the electric bill was $350 more than last years for one month great to have heat in the floor but thats nuts this is for heating only 650 sq. ft. with dynomite insulation low ceiling height 3" of foam under the slab. I did leave the room at 61f and let it run for the month to see how much it was going to add to the bill was not quite expecting that my ******** energy bill was almost as much as my morgage payment.then when i dug into the bill a little further I noticed the increase coming up for next year and come on does every majior business get a raise and my wages go backward. the good news is it is working awsome.bad news is I can't aford to use it..set the therm down to 50f and we will se how that goes.

Hmmm, somethings wrong, I'm heating 1200sf with a 7KW Seisco to 50*, last month's bill was $151, this months looks like it will be just a few $$$ more.
Scary part is last year I was heating only 1/3 of the building for the same money.

 

[E.rodz]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

Hmmm, somethings wrong, I'm heating 1200sf with a 7KW Seisco to 50*, last month's bill was $151, this months looks like it will be just a few $$$ more.
Scary part is last year I was heating only 1/3 of the building for the same money.

I am going to hook up a hr. meter to the pump so I can see just how much the system is running..pretty sad when your energy bill almost exceeds your morgage payment.

 

[nate379]

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I heat a bit over 2000 sq ft in the house and garage and it runs me around $175/month in the winter. I thought that was pretty expensive, but I guess it's not bad at all compared to some of you guys! My summer bill is around $50/month (hot water & kitchen stove)

I keep the house around 68* and garage is usually 50-55*

I'm not sure what the average temp outside has been, though we have had some days of -25*

 

[rburke65]

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Before you can compare, we have to know what is your cost per kw/hr. And E.rodz,Did you buy those insulated doors or how did you get so many for under your floor....how much$$...you did 2 layers for the 3"?? In post 363, in the picture,is the door cut out for the window? and did you fill in that void? Is this what I am seeing? What was the "R" rating of the doors? Thanks.

 

[custom1]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

Before you can compare, we have to know what is your cost per kw/hr. And E.rodz,Did you buy those insulated doors or how did you get so many for under your floor....how much$$...you did 2 layers for the 3"?? In post
363, in the picture,is the door cut out for the window? and did you fill in that void? Is this what I am seeing? What was the "R" rating of the doors? Thanks.

The doors and cutouts came from two door manufactures near me. They were free except for the fuel and time to go get them. The full doors were drilled or cut wrong and yes where the window was cut out I used other cutouts to fill them back in. I put down two layers. Each layer is 1 5/8" thick. R is around 8 per inch.
Here is a link to another thread about them. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13114

 

[Ron Lombardo]

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Ok ere it is up and running ... 3 floors of radiant 625 sqft per floor divided in 2 loops ... x 3 zones = 1875 sqft ... 100.00 for gas in dec and jan.

Ron

 

[Alien52]

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Hope this hasn't been brought up before but I've been looking into ways to cut down on my hot water cost and came across this. Seems like it would be a good fit for someone heating their garage with a hot water heater?

http://www.northrdt.com/Geyser/index.html

 

[muddinguy]

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Hi I'm new here but Garages/shops and anything related have always intrigued me.. Have any of you guys run your system with and outdoor wood boiler ?? My cousin built a few for himself and family and friends though they use them for other things.. For instance.. he Heats his house his hot water , garage, and pool with the single unit.. hes got an air intake valve electronically set up to open when the water gets below a certain temp which feeds more air to the fire making it hotter.. Im assuming he just added a heater core in the furnace and the boiler pumps water through that.. for the garage he's got some radiator set up with a fan and the pool is just plumbed through the side.. same with his hot water... ( im not sure how he keeps the pool water and hot water separate..) but it works and works good.. i don't see any reason why this could not also be adapted to an in floor system.. same type of tubing except its in Concrete.. would it heat the concrete too fast ?? i know he said cut his propane usage by TONS

 

[muddinguy]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

Hi I'm new here but Garages/shops and anything related have always intrigued me.. Have any of you guys run your system with and outdoor wood boiler ?? My cousin built a few for himself and family and friends though they use them for other things.. For instance.. he Heats his house his hot water , garage, and pool with the single unit.. hes got an air intake valve electronically set up to open when the water gets below a certain temp which feeds more air to the fire making it hotter.. Im assuming he just added a heater core in the furnace and the boiler pumps water through that.. for the garage he's got some radiator set up with a fan and the pool is just plumbed through the side.. same with his hot water... ( im not sure how he keeps the pool water and hot water separate..) but it works and works good.. i don't see any reason why this could not also be adapted to an in floor system.. same type of tubing except its in Concrete.. would it heat the concrete too fast ?? i know he said cut his propane usage by TONS

anyone have comments on this ?

 

[walrus]

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An outdoor wood boiler would work with Radiant, you need to talk with folks who sell wood boilers. I'm sure its done all the time. The problem I see is most wood boilers are huge and unless you have a huge heat load the boiler would be smothered most of the time. Personally unless I had a large storage tank I wouldn't have an outdoor boiler. I'd run the boiler full bore into a tank, heat the tank and then run the floor off the tank. That way no smoldering and only fire once a day or less

 

[bimmer1980]

Re: picts of your in floor heat set ups.

Well here are a few pics of mine. It's not much to look at yet. This has been a slow process. But at least I have the floor well insulated, the tubing in and manifold hooked up. I also ran a couple of different 220 lines over because I haven't decided yet on which boiler(one takes a single 60 amp and one takes 2- 40 amp breakers). I can use the extra line, if there is one, for a welder outlet or whatever as it was only an 18' run so not too much in wire. It may be a while till I get a boiler etc. but I am leaning toward a Seisco or Hydro Shark III.

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As you can see in the next pic I covered the 4' block wall with smooth door cut-outs (They also insulate the edge of the slab) and I will cap them off with a shelf made out of 1x6. I will probable paint the shelf black and incorporate it into some stripes. Then I will steal E.rods diamond plate idea to protect the pex from the shelf to the floor.

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Currently waiting on the drywall finisher to sand then I can get painting and put the shelf up etc.

Nice Install!! where did you purchase your manifolds and tubing? They look really similar to some materials on ebay that I'm looking at purchasing......

 

[tdkkart]

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Nice Install!! where did you purchase your manifolds and tubing? They look really similar to some materials on ebay that I'm looking at purchasing......

Those manifolds look identical to mine, came from here:
http://www.blueridgecompany.com/

 

[nate379]

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Not a bad price either. I have Rehau manifolds and they were close to 2x that cost.

http://na.rehau.com/construction/heating...plumbing/radiant.heating/pro-balance.manifolds.shtml

 

[Weedwaka]

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Are you missing the expansion tank, or is it just not in that picture?

Where are you guys getting the mounts for the tubing that allow you to space everything out from the wall like in this pic ? I cant seem to find a store that has these.