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[Lassen Forge]

What about the tech who moonlights at the local community college taking classes to improve his or her skillset? Wouldn't they be eligible for the SO student tool program?

Hell, if I were starting out, I would really think long and hard about something like this...

 

[ngk22r]

The welding industry is now losing some to this. They have been quite reasonably priced for basic models for a long time and the risk, the quality and reliability vs price made them a bargain. When a risky machine was 60% the price of good it made sense to stay with the best, now a machine can be had in the 20% range and the quality has picked up.


This is why the Milwaukee drill, DeWalt have thrived. They wouldnt be as popular if the price was 10x or 20 times the price of a cheaper drill that is somewhat sketchy and really too light for professional use. They are 2x the cost. Big difference.

That is your perception...

Why do people buy a big HD truck they don’t even use for HD use but then ***** about the price of other stuff??

 

[Shane6377]

That's a typical opinion of someone who hasn't had enough exposer to the different brands of tools that are out there; they are all different. If you had bought a Snap-on wrench instead of a Blue-Point, you would have been well on your way to discovering the difference.

.. this is the typical response of someone justifying a tool truck mortgage. [emoji6]


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[Shane6377]

Wow, what a response! Since you choose to be so blunt (and frankly, rude) I'll return the favor. People like you are the reason threads like this turn into a dumpster fire. Absolutely uncalled-for.

He didn't give any sort of breakdown or analysis of Snap-on tools as a whole, or an individual tool for that matter, just wanted share what he recently experienced on the truck. Who ever said you need to have some sort of "Professional Mechanic Hall Pass" to share your experiences?

After all, responding like you did undermines the whole purpose of the forum as it discourages people from sharing their opinions.

Calm down and let the guy share what seems to be his first Snap-on truck experience.

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Very well put. 100% agree.


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[Hiball]

I understand your point. But sorry, I’m not willing to pay a Snap-On markup to cover interest-free loans for people wanting tools they can’t afford. And it’s not a realistic expectation that others will gladly pay that markup.

I’m sympathetic with a young mechanic who’s just starting out and needs quality tools. But there are less expensive alternatives—the Truck Tool Equivalents thread is a perfect example of that. A young mechanic can also buy used quality tools on eBay like the rest of us.

Wait a minute... Didn’t you start this thread after you spent $30 for a single wrench? So confused...

I’m not sure why you are sympathetic to New mechanics, this is probably one the best times in history for one to acquire quality tools via a multitude of avenues.

 

[Partsguy57]

Okay, since you want to cherry pick the end of a comment and not reply to the actual "substance" I'll bite. Exactly what truth are you suggesting I can't handle?

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Exactly what did I post that was not true that triggered you? I have no issue with anything said here about me or anything else.. it's all fun and good. Now if you want you can offend me and I will get all up tight like you if you want me to.. cheers

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[JulianMorrow]

If you had bought a Snap-on wrench instead of a Blue-Point, you would have been well on your way to discovering the difference.

As I stated earlier, I do own a couple of Snap-On combination wrenches that I bought used from eBay. They're fine wrenches. Few here are questioning the quality of Snap-On, just their cost--which is directly related to value.

 

[Partsguy57]

I want the opinion of the guy with experience.

Don't discount someone's opinion because of their vocation. I live in a rural community where plenty of DIY'ers make vocational mechanics look like amateur hacks.

Kind of the 'don't judge a book by its cover' idea.


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Of course their opinion is valid and I take it based on their experience as I would for anything else... limited experience, limited seeing the whole pic... this applies to anything in life.. For example whose opinion taken as a group on marriage for example. Ten couples that are newlyweds vs 10 couples with decades under their belt. Who do you think has a better perspective? This applies to most anything in life..... expect for some DIY self tool guys..... cheers

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[sberry]

That is your perception...

No, its pretty much the reality. The heavy duty truck costs SOME more, it probably lasts quite a bit longer. If a ranger was 25$ and the 350 250K then it wouldn't sell as well. When its double or so then they sell some.

Actually I am a Snapon fan,,, you can read my take on it any way you want but I think as a company they are doing exactly what they should. I wish I would have bought stock. They are on the top rung and should do what it takes to stay that way. Sears followed the opposite patch to the bottom. The quality of the tool didn't change much but they wanted to race HF and Walmart to the bottom of the market when they should have been striving to catch SK and come in a little under their pricing.
Even HF got rid of the **** ratchet, found a better supplier and up the game.

 

[JulianMorrow]

Wait a minute... Didn’t you start this thread after you spent $30 for a single wrench? So confused...

It sounds like you're equating someone (like me) spending 30 bucks on a wrench with someone who gets thousands of dollars in debt buying truck tools they can't afford.

 

[Partsguy57]

That is your perception...



Why do people buy a big HD truck they don’t even use for HD use but then ***** about the price of other stuff??

Lol huge amount of that in the parts business... guy standing their with the 70,000 dollar pickup and complaining about the price of his fuel filter...

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[sberry]

this is probably one the best times in history for one to acquire quality tools via a multitude of avenues.

I will agree but its not from the top tier.

 

[Partsguy57]

As I stated earlier, I do own a couple of Snap-On combination wrenches that I bought used from eBay. They're fine wrenches. Few here are questioning the quality of Snap-On, just their cost--which is directly related to value.

Which is directly related to ones use of them...ie DIY vs making a living..

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[ngk22r]

.. this is the typical response of someone justifying a tool truck mortgage. [emoji6]


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There are people who are able to pay cash for the tools and do not take what you call a “mortgage” to buy the tools.

I’m not rich, but I am smart with my money and can / do pay cash for the tools I need. Mind you I have been in the industry for quite some time now and have bought the tools here and there...

 

[sberry]

Lol huge amount of that in the parts business... guy standing their with the 70,000 dollar pickup and complaining about the price of his fuel filter...

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Get no argument from me about that. ******* about the price of fuel too.

 

[Hiball]

It sounds like you're equating someone (like me) spending 30 bucks on a wrench with someone who gets thousands of dollars in debt buying truck tools they can't afford.

Did you just attempt to equate that everyone who buys “tool truck tools” is aquiring debt via tools that they can’t afford?

Think about it...

Maybe... just Maybe the reason these threads go to Hell is because people don’t like being accused of mortgaging there future simply because of a tool brand, probably for the same reason, members who enjoy HF tools don’t like being accused of Using less than standard tools or being cheap.

 

[ngk22r]

No, its pretty much the reality. The heavy duty truck costs SOME more, it probably lasts quite a bit longer. If a ranger was 25$ and the 350 250K then it wouldn't sell as well. When its double or so then they sell some.

Actually I am a Snapon fan,,, you can read my take on it any way you want but I think as a company they are doing exactly what they should. I wish I would have bought stock. They are on the top rung and should do what it takes to stay that way. Sears followed the opposite patch to the bottom. The quality of the tool didn't change much but they wanted to race HF and Walmart to the bottom of the market when they should have been striving to catch SK and come in a little under their pricing.
Even HF got rid of the **** ratchet, found a better supplier and up the game.

I think you are mis understanding my sig line vs what I was saying about perception:

There are people out there who find Milwaukee Fuel too expensive and thus settle with a power tool they got at HF or Walmart so in this case Milwaukee is looked at how people here look at Snap On.

Mind you I use Milwaukee Fuel at work for cordless and most of my hand tools are Snap On. I have bought a few thing from HF that ended up being cut and modified when I needed something in a pinch.

Are there tool snobs put there? Yes, but I am not one of them. I do see the value of Snap On tools and have a majority of my (hand) tools from them in a Snap On box.

Electronic testors are Fluke and a Power Probe IV, misc stuff from the companies that specializes in that particular area.

I even bought a set of JIS screwdrivers from Vessel because of the JIS screws I come across.

The point is no matter the brand someone will say I overpaid on one or more of the “brands” I have because their cheaper DMM or (insert tool) works just fine...

 

[Jaysreal]

Exactly what did I post that was not true that triggered you? I have no issue with anything said here about me or anything else.. it's all fun and good. Now if you want you can offend me and I will get all up tight like you if you want me to.. cheers

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Him: hey, I was on the Snap-on truck today, I bought a blue point wrench. The stuff looked good but way overpriced for me.

You: You're not a pro mechanic, so why should anyone give a damn about what you have to say.

Instead of engaging in a conversation, you decided to be arrogant.

Fwiw, I don't engage in ad hominem attacks, It's clear you do tho. Logical fallacies have no place in disagreements, so there exists no need to "offend" you.

But I will however respond to yours, I'm "Up tight" because I'm passionate about respect on a forum? Why?

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[Partsguy57]

Get no argument from me about that. ******* about the price of fuel too.

I know... and then you see the same clown at the pizza joint with his family with 4 pitchers of beer, 4 giant pizzas that he bought for three times the price of his fuel filter... and will be done and gone through the "system" at best in a day.

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[JulianMorrow]

Sometimes the truck brand may have a better warranty then the OEM of the tool. How important this is is up to the buyer to decide... for instance, they have a lifetime warranty, from the OEM, a two year warranty.

You make a valid point above regarding lifetime warranty, but is it worth the wildly inflated markup. As the "Truck Tool Equivalents" thread shows, the markup can be triple the price of the OEM.

YouTube mechanic Eric the Car Guy (a Honda mechanic for 10 years before opening his own shop) points out that if you break a tool, the Snap-On truck or the Mac truck doesn't magically appear in your parking lot that day. You may have to wait a week or more for that truck to return. Meanwhile, you have to finish the repair in a timely fashion. I'd rather buy the OEM tool and spend the money saved on a backup tool, which you'll have in your toolbox when the time comes.

 

[Partsguy57]

Lol here is what I said"Funny on how you feel is based on no experience. Snap on is geared to the professional which you are not. How can one have a honest opinion on something that one does not do professionally? When one gives their opinion on what you do professionally ( but they don't do) does it carry much weight? " now read what you said I said..... lol and now about that truth thing...where was I untrue? Cheers
( should I get up tight like you now?)
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[Partsguy57]

Him: hey, I was on the Snap-on truck today, I bought a blue point wrench. The stuff looked good but way overpriced for me.

You: You're not a pro mechanic, so why should anyone give a damn about what you have to say.

Instead of engaging in a conversation, you decided to be arrogant.

Fwiw, I don't engage in ad hominem attacks, It's clear you do tho. Logical fallacies have no place in disagreements, so there exists no need to "offend" you.

But I will however respond to yours, I'm "Up tight" because I'm passionate about respect on a forum? Why?

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I should have added ,on the uptight part some feel better after throwing something..( not me ) if that's you feel free to throw your h.f ratchet out the door in the street.... probably still be there in the morning to retrieve, snap on... bet it will be gone.. cheers

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[Partsguy57]

Correct. You can read my other post but I have experience using tools in situations that the average mechanic has never had. Some of my tools were handed down from my Grandfather who used them his entire professional career as an industrial mechanic and are still serving me well. Do you have tools that have been in service since the 1930's to compare to?

My point is, you can't assume that every DIY'er has no experience just like you can't assume every vocational mechanic is a tool expert.


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In my box.. this count?

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[plinker]

You make a valid point above regarding lifetime warranty, but is it worth the wildly inflated markup. As the Truck Tools Equivalents thread shows, the markup can be triple the price of the OEM.

YouTube mechanic Eric the Car Guy (a Honda mechanic for 10 years before opening his own shop) points out that if you break a tool, the Snap-On truck or the Mac truck doesn't magically appear in your parking lot that day. You may have to wait a week or more for that truck to return. Meanwhile, you have to finish the repair in a timely fashion. I'd rather buy the OEM tool and spend the money saved on a backup tool.

Is it worth the mark up? depends. If I expect the tool to break, yes. Otherwise no. If yes, I would buy said tool from the best source where I could get it replaced quickly. For a number of things The local Napa could have it same or next day instead of next week or the time it'd take to mail it in and get it back.

Now that said if my Matco guy has it, he will get it to me even if it's late in the day. Not every tool guy is like that. So far I have not needed to take him up on that offer as I've been able to borrow or get by with something to get the job done.

Also, some tools just arent likely to need replacement, Lang has a brake caliper press, #279. Rebranded by others. I'd buy the Lang as I dont expect to have issues, so no point in paying the mark up.

In today's world being an informed buyer is very important, not just when buying tools either. I also dont want to spend more then necessary unless I see the potential need.

 

[manwithtools]

This reminds me of a Sonny and Cher song...



The beat goes on.....

And on and on ....

 

[Jaysreal]

I should have added ,on the uptight part some feel better after throwing something..( not me ) if that's you feel free to throw your h.f ratchet out the door in the street.... probably still be there in the morning to retrieve, snap on... bet it will be gone.. cheers

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OH! You think I'm an angry cheap tool supporter. LMAO that's funny, but just because we agree that quality tools are better than their cheap counterparts and are marketed towards a specific end user, that doesn't mean I agree with the way you responded to this gentleman, because you still don't understand that the point of contention here is RESPECT not facts or truthfulness.

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[Lassen Forge]

....and so it begins.
Another thread that will not end well.

4 hours in, and yes...





The beat goes on.



(Who said time travel wasn't possible?? )

 

[Shane6377]

I should have added ,on the uptight part some feel better after throwing something..( not me ) if that's you feel free to throw your h.f ratchet out the door in the street.... probably still be there in the morning to retrieve, snap on... bet it will be gone.. cheers

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This is totally rude. Do you have some personal grudge?

Mods, please close this down and ban this guy.


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[sberry]

There is no reason to close it and ban him, no one has to come to this thread.

 

[JulianMorrow]

Did you just attempt to equate that everyone who buys “tool truck tools” is aquiring debt via tools that they can’t afford?

Actually no, I never stated that. Snap-On's pricing strategy, that includes built-in overhead costs for debt financing was a point made by LtCHEG, see below:

You're missing part of the equation. You are also paying for a no interest loan in the price of tool truck tools...So baked into the cost of the tool is some overhead cost for running a loan operation.

Julian again: go back a page to read LtCheg's post in full, which I cut here for brevity (sorry Cheg). Please read this thread carefully before you shoot from the hip.

 

[Lt CHEG]

Part of the point of my earlier post was that part of the cost of tools for a lot of these purchasers includes interest free financing. My experience has been that if I offered to pay cash I often got a slight discount or even some free stuff thrown in when I was buying new from the snap on truck. I guess it has been my experience that not all of my purchases ended up subsidizing someone else's low-cost tools. Also borrowing money to buy certain tools may well be a very good investment for some mechanics. It seems to me like companies like snap on and Matco often have a lot of specialized tools that allow jobs to get done more quickly. For a mechanic working on flat rate it may well be a very good investment for them to borrow money for a tool which allows them to earn more money for the same amount of time .

At the end of the day people should buy what they like and what they feel they get the best value for. For some of us those pretty finishes and brand prestige carries a fair amount of value as well. For others the exclusivity that comes with a higher price also carries a fair amount of value. At the end of the day while tool truck companies may not be thriving the same way that they once did they are still surviving, in fact surviving better than some of their competitors. That leads me to believe that their products are not universally overpriced. If the market would not bear the cost of their tools, the companies would either have to lower their prices, otherwise change their business model, or go out of business .

 

[Formula]

People will use what they want...

I really don’t understand why people get so **** hurt if someone can afford to buy and us Snap On tools and then have to turn around and talk **** about them and the tools??

Does it make people really feel better about themselves??

Do people talk **** about Jay Leno and his car collection strictly because they cannot afford those classic cars?

These threads keep getting more and more retarded...

There are entry level techs who buy the cheapest tools they get their hands on and then dump money into a project car they feel at the time will be something great and then get tired of the car and take a loss on it. There are some who take advantage of discounts and buy tools from the truck brands and buy within their means to have a nice quality collection of tools that they use everyday they work with...

But a good portion of people here would stare down or spit at those who do buy from the tool trucks and do it responsibly just because their “feelz” are hurt because they use a lower cost brand. We get it, you have to make yourself feel good.... Can’t afford the higher end brand that is fine, but shut the **** up about it already. Don’t like it then go be poor somewhere else.

Yeah, I think a lot of snap on hate stems from jealousy. Either people can't afford them, or have no accessibility to them. Or they don't really need them. This same type of jealousy can apply to anything else in life like cars, houses, clothes, etc. But this is Garage Journal so we talk about tools.

I've been getting paid to work on cars for a living since 1989. I've been in both independent shops and dealers. Every shop I've been in for the past 30 years, 90% of those guys have tools and toolboxes from either snap on, mac or matco. My tools at work are a mix of brands, mostly from the tool trucks. I have no loyalty to any one brand, but I try to buy the best. Snap on in my opinion is one of the best. Anyone looking to make a career in this should also try to buy the best tools available. I would estimate my work tools are valued at close to $100k. Sure I owed a lot initially when I was a kid making payments every week. But it was a good investment and has been paid off for decades. I'll still buy stuff now and then, but usually just pay in full. If I ever have a truck balance now, it's usually no more than a couple hundred dollars.

I've got other good brands in my work toolbox like William's, sk, proto. I don't even remember where I bought them from. If and when they break, I have no idea where to get any of these tools warrantied or replaced. I don't need the hassle or have the time to be running around trying to get them warrantied. When my tool truck brands break, I give it to my dealer and he gives me a replacement. I've never had an issue in 30 years of getting anything warrantied from snap on, matco or mac.

I do a lot of side jobs at home and my toolboxs in my garage are from Menards and Home depot. Less than 10% of my home tools are tool truck brands. The tools are a mix of Craftsman, harbor freight, gearwrench, menards brand, ebay and Amazon purchased tools, etc. Total value of my home tools is fraction of what my work tools are worth. If they break, they're cheap and I'll just toss them out and buy another. Sure these tools work but I find more often than not that I'm cussing them out wishing I had a certain work tool instead. Many times I'll have to wait until I can bring a tool home from work. The cheap tools get by for side jobs but I wouldn't even think about using them on a daily basis at work. If I could afford to buy a matching set of tool truck brands for home I would, but it wouldn't make sense financially to do so.

If I didn't do this for a living and was just a weekend DIY'er, I doubt I would fill my toolbox up with tool truck brands unless I had the money to blow. Plus, it would be too difficult to get tool truck service or warranty at home for a DIY'er.

 

[plinker]

Actually no, I never stated that. Snap-On's pricing strategy, that includes built-in overhead costs for debt financing was a point made by LtCHEG, see below:



Julian again: go back a page to read LtCheg's post in full, which I cut here for brevity (sorry Cheg). Please read this thread carefully before you shoot from the hip.

Actually my understanding of the mark up has more to do with future warranty replacement of the tools then actually financing the tools. Snap-on tools sold to industrial users and such are less money as they warranty is less (if any) based on what I've read here.
The (retail) cost of the tool boxes leans more towards the finance part from my understanding.

Most claim not to pay retail for the boxes though. My box was used for considerably less then retail.

 

[Partsguy57]

OH! You think I'm an angry cheap tool supporter. LMAO that's funny, but just because we agree that quality tools are better than their cheap counterparts and are marketed towards a specific end user, that doesn't mean I agree with the way you responded to this gentleman, because you still don't understand that the point of contention here is RESPECT not facts or truthfulness.

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Hmmm seems you misquoted me( go back and reread what you said I said and what I said I made it easy for you in the past post) it's all good... seems to me that if you don't like to hear something you can just switch "channels" ? Or you going to play the offended like this past Christmas when some forced a old Christmas song off the radio? ( google if unsure of what I'm talking about) to me and I suspect most Its all fun,games and cheap entertainment and nobody is worse for wear... or are you feeling bad? Do you need to talk it out? I'm only joking!!!! Cheers.

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[Partsguy57]

This is totally rude. Do you have some personal grudge?

Mods, please close this down and ban this guy.


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Rude??? Alright maybe someone would pick up the h.f. ratchet... cheers

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[Shane6377]

In my box.. this count?

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Yes, that counts. Nice ratchet! Probably works just like mine.



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[Partsguy57]

Yeah, I think a lot of snap on hate stems from jealousy. Either people can't afford them, or have no accessibility to them. Or they don't really need them. This same type of jealousy can apply to anything else in life like cars, houses, clothes, etc. But this is Garage Journal so we talk about tools.



I've been getting paid to work on cars for a living since 1989. I've been in both independent shops and dealers. Every shop I've been in for the past 30 years, 90% of those guys have tools and toolboxes from either snap on, mac or matco. My tools at work are a mix of brands, mostly from the tool trucks. I have no loyalty to any one brand, but I try to buy the best. Snap on in my opinion is one of the best. Anyone looking to make a career in this should also try to buy the best tools available. I would estimate my work tools are valued at close to $100k. Sure I owed a lot initially when I was a kid making payments every week. But it was a good investment and has been paid off for decades. I'll still buy stuff now and then, but usually just pay in full. If I ever have a truck balance now, it's usually no more than a couple hundred dollars.



I've got other good brands in my work toolbox like William's, sk, proto. I don't even remember where I bought them from. If and when they break, I have no idea where to get any of these tools warrantied or replaced. I don't need the hassle or have the time to be running around trying to get them warrantied. When my tool truck brands break, I give it to my dealer and he gives me a replacement. I've never had an issue in 30 years of getting anything warrantied from snap on, matco or mac.



I do a lot of side jobs at home and my toolboxs in my garage are from Menards and Home depot. Less than 10% of my home tools are tool truck brands. The tools are a mix of Craftsman, harbor freight, gearwrench, menards brand, ebay and Amazon purchased tools, etc. Total value of my home tools is fraction of what my work tools are worth. If they break, they're cheap and I'll just toss them out and buy another. Sure these tools work but I find more often than not that I'm cussing them out wishing I had a certain work tool instead. Many times I'll have to wait until I can bring a tool home from work. The cheap tools get by for side jobs but I wouldn't even think about using them on a daily basis at work. If I could afford to buy a matching set of tool truck brands for home I would, but it wouldn't make sense financially to do so.



If I didn't do this for a living and was just a weekend DIY'er, I doubt I would fill my toolbox up with tool truck brands unless I had the money to blow. Plus, it would be too difficult to get tool truck service or warranty at home for a DIY'er.

This I think is now the best post of the day. Cheers

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[Formula]

You make a valid point above regarding lifetime warranty, but is it worth the wildly inflated markup. As the "Truck Tool Equivalents" thread shows, the markup can be triple the price of the OEM.

YouTube mechanic Eric the Car Guy (a Honda mechanic for 10 years before opening his own shop) points out that if you break a tool, the Snap-On truck or the Mac truck doesn't magically appear in your parking lot that day. You may have to wait a week or more for that truck to return. Meanwhile, you have to finish the repair in a timely fashion. I'd rather buy the OEM tool and spend the money saved on a backup tool, which you'll have in your toolbox when the time comes.

Any mechanic worth anything will have doubles or triples of common tools that break like sockets, ratchets or torx bits.

I've seen that Eric guy in the past. There's a reason he's making YouTube videos and not wrenching on cars for a living. I'll leave it at that.

I've also seen his toolbox tour video on YouTube which was embarrassing. I've never seen such a cluttered mess of such a minimal amount of tools. Look it up if you want but that shows me what type of mechanic he was. Sloppy and unorganized. Take those YouTube experts advice with a grain of salt.

 

[Hiball]

Actually no, I never stated that. Snap-On's pricing strategy, that includes built-in overhead costs for debt financing was a point made by LtCHEG, see below:



Julian again: go back a page to read LtCheg's post in full, which I cut here for brevity (sorry Cheg). Please read this thread carefully before you shoot from the hip.

I'm fully aware what costs are associated with tool trucks, LOL... Those big trucks need maintenance, fuel and oil and I expect the guy who took time out of his day to talk to you probably wants to turn a profit, so he can take care of his family.

Just so I'm not mistaken... Here is your quote.

It sounds like you're equating someone (like me) spending 30 bucks on a wrench with someone who gets thousands of dollars in debt buying truck tools they can't afford.

It's Ok for you to buy a SO on wrench because you only spent $30 on one wrench, but anyone who acquires "thousands of dollars" has to be acquiring debt. Do you believe it's not possible for them to cash flow the tools required for there job/hobby?

Regardless of what people say... There is NO correlation of what brand of tool a person uses and ones financial worthiness, Only each side trying to grab there own brands market share in a Internet forum.

 

[Partsguy57]

Yes, that counts. Nice ratchet! Probably works just like mine.



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Well maybe depends on which direction you have your switch turned.... and I have mine turned.. but I bet we could make them work the same. Cheers

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