My small but growing DBE wrench collection

[misterbill]

FWIW, there is this https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Lakeside-Forge-M-H-T-Co-5-8-X-9-16-12-Point-Double-Box-End-Wrench-/163445745713 up on eBay right now that has the M.H.T. Co. markings and the Lakeside/Lakeview forge mark, too.

 

[Username already in use]

Your eBay seller thought it was Myers Hay Tools, which didn't make sense, because the name of the company who made all those farm implements was actually F.E. Myers.

Looks like Myers Hay Tools were technically the hay trollies. But they did advertise them as 'hay tools'. So, based on their manufacturing capability, it's conceivable that they would have been able to stamp out wrenches for the war effort.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Maybe I remembered it wrong. 3bay may recall better.

 

[3baygarage]

Here are the couple I picked up last year. I believe I saw another of the bent one online before, so I think it was factory. In the last pic, the bent one also has a faint MHT Co.marking on the reverse, as well as the sizes. No keystone either.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Do you remember what we concluded about Myer Hay Tools and Massie etc though? Btw, the discussion I remember, that Rags is talking about, wasnt on my watch (2018), but yours (2017).

 

[3baygarage]

Ok, found the posts. Totally forgot that Rags had a DOE with v notch ends, not a DBE. I don’t think any brand was figured out. I have no proof anyway.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I agreed with you, and still do. "Myers Hay Tools" is a slogan, not a company name, and the "M.H.T." has a "Co." following it.

 

[twertsy]

I agreed with you, and still do. "Myers Hay Tools" is a slogan, not a company name, and the "M.H.T." has a "Co." following it.

I swear we solved that......I'll tackle it in the morning....

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[3baygarage]

Nothing added up.

-Massey Manufacturing Co., Massey-Harris Limited
- F.E. Myers & BRO. (Nickname= Myers Hay Trolley- I doubt it)
-McKaig-Hatch, Inc. (made their own tools, why would Lakeside?)

 

[LesserSon]

This guy says Lakeside/Lakeview/Erie is the mfr, but doesn’t explain who MHTCo was.
http://www.wrenchingnews.com/wrench-logos/logos-page-1.html

 

[RagTopTA]

Heres a few of the DBE I have come home within the last few hauls.

Bonney Single offset
Blackhawk single offset
Blue Point dual offset
OTC no offset
Hexo
Barcalo with the raised lettering
Blackhawk
Bonney
Black and Decker, I like this one, anyone have any idea on its age or what it might have been for ?

 

[LesserSon]

Nothing added up.

-Massey Manufacturing Co., Massey-Harris Limited
- F.E. Myers & BRO. (Nickname= Myers Hay Trolley- I doubt it)
-McKaig-Hatch, Inc. (made their own tools, why would Lakeside?)

Looking into the Myers thing, I saw ONLY gear with wooden pulleys had “M.H.T.Co.” cast into “malleable iron” components, and did NOT see “Myers” on the same pieces. Until I do see an object or catalog illustration that links the two, I think there’s a case that the MHTCo-marked gear is mis-identified as Myers by the agricollectors/sellers and could very well be a separate, as yet unidentified, company. But the logo looks a LOT like what’s on the wrenches, so I think it’s quite possible the wrenches were made for the pulley co by L/L/E.
eBay wrench
Worthpoint pulley
eBay Pulley
etsy Pulley
I wonder what the “OK” seen on some of these might be - a clue? Oklahoma?

 

[RagTopTA]

Theres one here on ebay that has the same markings but the Lakeside forge makers mark... same thing? I cant recall if my wrench had the Lakeside forging logo or not...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-La...-12-Point-Double-Box-End-Wrench-/163445745713

 

[Jazz1]

Some great collections, everyone collects something
I have the set of metric offset DBE that came with my Lada. They are a very good quality DBE. I don't have many as I rarely ever need one other than for adjusting distributor. Only a few SAE DBE's as well. Last one I acquired was a Snap On 9/16 1/2 that was offered to me from a guys "take one" bucket. That ignition wrench came with the Lada tool kit as well

 

[Private Lugnutz]

But the logo looks a LOT like what’s on the wrenches, so I think it’s quite possible the wrenches were made for the pulley co by L/L/E.

There is a resemblance, but for one small exception, which is odd: the pulley logo does not have a forged-in period mark after the "T"; the wrenches do.

While it's not odd for toolmakers, especially those with private label forge works, to make tools for farm implement companies, F.E. Myers & Bro. did not make tractors and such, I am not sure what these DBE wrenches would've been used to turn on the equipment they did make, and lastly, the wrenches do not seem to be the same time period as the pulleys.

The Lakeside forge production, which is unquestionable, doesn't explain the initials not matching the company name. If you look through old farm directories and trade mags, or books on that subject, F.E. Myers & Bro. is always referred to by their actual name, or as you alluded to, just Myers. I have yet to see "Myers Hay Tool" in a period document, let alone accompanied, pun intended, by 'Company.'

Those remain my sticky points.

 

[RagTopTA]

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6874509&postcount=6314

heres my find, it is a DOE and noticed it has the pointed throats.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Just don't look like farm tools to me.

On the "OK", Myers was located in Ashland, Ohio. According to the history piece on Myers linked here, which is a very good read, by the way, "OK" was one of several brand names they used. Might could still be Oklahoma, or Okay. Either way, not sure if it helps. EDIT: On second thought, if this article is to be believed, it links "OK" to F.E. Myers & Bro., which links M.H.T. Co. to F.E. Myers & Bro., since "M.H.TCo." and "OK" are found on the same trolley.

According to the same article, business rapidly declined after WWII and the onslaught of electrification, when Myers finally dropped hay trolleys and got into water systems. They have nuts and bolts, of course, and makes more sense for the types of wrenches, but I still don't think they are F.E. Myers & Bro., which had even less reason to be known, even in error, as 'Myers Hay Tools Company', at that time.

 

[3baygarage]

And no Keystone mark Rags, at least on the front, but chances are it's the same mfr. by the look.

LS- thanks for pointing that out. Last time around I saw those actual MHT pulleys and they look awfully old to be related to these wrenches. Heck, it's held with cotter pins too. Not sure where that connection started, I think an ebay seller with the wrench that time.

 

[bonneyman]

Heres a few of the DBE I have come home within the last few hauls.

Bonney Single offset
Blackhawk single offset
Blue Point dual offset
OTC no offset
Hexo
Barcalo with the raised lettering
Blackhawk
Bonney
Black and Decker, I like this one, anyone have any idea on its age or what it might have been for ?

That B&D wrench strikes me as a wrench to remove/install blades on a circular saw.

 

[LesserSon]

Right. I looked at all 21 cat illustrations on that site, and every trolley that has OK on it also has Myers on it - mostly FEMyers&Bro. None have MHTCo on them.
I agree the wrenches are late compared to the wood pulleys, but if Myers persisted into the 1960s why couldn’t MHTCo, also?
My subtler point is, there’s not a single illustration of a Myers wood pulley anywhere. The wood pulleys in the photos are not hay trolleys, though they could be used in conjunction with them. But aside from the shared OK, there’s no evidence linking MHTCo and Myers.

 

[BlueBomber]

I picked up a dozen DBEs at a flea market today:

Armstrong 26-558 stubby angled, 1/2" x 7/16"
Bridgeport "X" chrome molybdenum angled stubby, 5/8" x 11/16"
Craftsman Long-C deep offset, 7/8" x 13/16"
Craftsman Long-C Vanadium deep offset stubby, 11/16" x 5/8"
Craftsman offset stubby, 1/2" x 9/16"
Cross Country deep offset, 11/16" x 5/8"



Dunlap flat ratchet press steel body, 3/8" x 7/16"
Indestro Chicago angled stubby, 25/32" x 3/4"
Forged Select Steel (Indestro) angled, 13/16" x 7/8"
Lectrolite MB-1618 offset stubby, 1/2" x 9/16"
Lectrolite MB-2022 offset stubby, 5/8" x 11/16"
Sparta CD-2024 offset, 5/8" x 3/4"



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[r_olson_06]

I picked up a dozen DBEs at a flea market today:

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Never seen cross country. Any info on that one?

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,

 

[BlueBomber]

Never seen cross country. Any info on that one?

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,

Cross Country appears to have been a Sears brand from the 1930's. Alloy Artifacts has an entry on them here, down near the bottom of the page. They conclude the tools were made by Duro and Indestro.

I only have one other example of this brand, so I was glad to find this one.

 

[Outlawmws]

BB - I'm looking at the Cross country, and the Long C Craftsman, and they look to be identical patterns. What is the makers "Letter" on the Long C?

 

[bonneyman]

I like those old Dunlap pressed steel ratcheting box ends.

 

[d42jeep]

I have these four in the Dunlap box.
-Don

 

[bonneyman]

I have these four in the Dunlap box.
-Don

I have four as well, just missing the 13/16 x 7/8. I pull them out for use in dirty/soggy areas (to save my GearWrenches).

 

[BlueBomber]

I only have these three, and they are not as cleaned up as y'alls'. I'm stalking Ebay for the missing ones.

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[BlueBomber]

BB - I'm looking at the Cross country, and the Long C Craftsman, and they look to be identical patterns. What is the makers "Letter" on the Long C?

Outlaw: looks like "C1" markings. Can you translate?

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[BlueBomber]

I had a few wrench purchases arrive today.

Blackhawk 15637 double groove angled, 15/16" x 1"
Blackhawk 15829 deep offset, 1-1/4" x 1-3/8"

The big Blackhawk has been a while to acquire. I included a picture with it's big brother. I now need the "little" 15818 to round out the big boy trio of Blackhawk DBEs.

I'm slowly filling out the Blackhawk portion of the ol' wrench rack.

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[r_olson_06]

I had a few wrench purchases arrive today.

Blackhawk 15637 double groove angled, 15/16" x 1"
Blackhawk 15829 deep offset, 1-1/4" x 1-3/8"

The big Blackhawk has been a while to acquire. I included a picture with it's big brother. I now need the "little" 15818 to round out the big boy trio of Blackhawk DBEs.

I'm slowly filling out the Blackhawk portion of the ol' wrench rack.

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Nice work. I have never seen a round beam Blackhawk yet. Are you over the 1k mark yet?

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,

 

[BlueBomber]

Nice work. I have never seen a round beam Blackhawk yet. Are you over the 1k mark yet?

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,

No, I think I'm around 600 or so. Still working on my Twertsy fraction...

 

[r_olson_06]

No, I think I'm around 600 or so. Still working on my Twertsy fraction...

I am a little poor at reading can you express this as an equation?
[emoji1]

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I am a little poor at reading can you express this as an equation?

n1n(1 + 1/n)<1

It's the Mean Value Theorem, and in twertsy's case, "mean" really does mean mean.

 

[twertsy]

I only have these three, and they are not as cleaned up as y'alls'. I'm stalking Ebay for the missing ones.

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I think I had some, but they probably went to Don.....

 

[twertsy]

n1n(1 + 1/n)<1

It's the Mean Value Theorem, and in twertsy's case, "mean" really does mean mean.

I'm a sweatheart...........or so I've been told, I think....once

 

[bonneyman]

I'm a sweatheart...........or so I've been told, I think....once

Once?

 

[leg17]

Heres a few of the DBE I have come home within the last few hauls.



Bonney Single offset
Blackhawk single offset
Blue Point dual offset
OTC no offset
Hexo
Barcalo with the raised lettering
Blackhawk
Bonney
Black and Decker, I like this one, anyone have any idea on its age or what it might have been for ?

What size is the Blackhawk Single Offset second down from top?

For sale??

 

[TTMotorsports]

Have a few here. Couple sk and a williams.

 

[BlueBomber]

I'm a sweatheart...........or so I've been told, I think....once

Is "sweatheart" a compliment? [emoji38]

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