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Arrowood Rod & Kustom

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so here's the deal my dad owns a camper dealership here in cold *** Michigan and they have a pole barn in back they use for storage..no idea on the size of it right now, for the most part it's pretty empty so I plan on turning this into my hot rod & kustom shop for the time being until the shop I really want goes up for sale within the next year

so anyways heres the only pict I have of it right now, will get more picts as I begin to work on it..if I can talk my dad into it I'd like to re-paint the buildings to like a burgandy color with a dark grey or black door & roof..because the brown looks like **** to me


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Arrowood Rod & Kustom

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and heres a few cars me & my dad have built in the last 3 years..done a little of every style but now getting into the older hot rods

1975 Corvette Stingray
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1968 Cadillac Deville on air ride suspension
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1930 Ford Model A Coupe & 1931 Ford Model A Coupe
the '30 was chopped 4.5''
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the '31 was chopped 5.5''
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1970 Chevy Monte Carlo
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1997 Ford Mustang (probably the ugliest car we built but this was my first car)
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oh and incase anyone was wondering I'm 21 years old, full time college student going for my teaching degree and I'm also a photographer on the side
 
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OldtruckDude

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Looks like a good shop. IMO I wouldn't paint the shop. Paint will eventually start flaking off and look terrible. I would save my money for other things that will make you money!

The cars look great ( except for the donkin carlo ) :bounce::bounce:!

I like the logo. Concentrate on making cool stuff and just let the shop be a shop!:beer:

john
 

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I wouldn't spend the money on painting the building either...you said your not gonna be there that long anyway.....
 

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here is some advice i need to follow my self. paint the building. paint is cheap.the style also- it needs to represent what you do. most importantly you need to feel like it is your shop, do it your way it will make you feel more like going to work.
 

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I would leave the shop as is. A plain building will attract less of the undesirable crowd. Until you become famous and can be in a hi-security building I would stay with non-descript buildings and let your craftsman ship do the speaking. If you put out high quality rigs the customers will find you, **** out of a fancy building is still **** and the color of the building will make no difference.

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Well, there you have it! Paint it, don't paint it....As you can see opinions are easy to come by, quality work isn't. Your shop, your choice! Good luck however you decide to go!
 

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Sorry to be harsh but stick with the teaching and the photography as your taste in modifying cars is ****..that engine bay is worse than factory.
 
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Arrowood Rod & Kustom

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Sorry to be harsh but stick with the teaching and the photography as your taste in modifying cars is ****..that engine bay is worse than factory.

thanks for your opinon, I had $7,000 into that car and sold it for $13,000 so guess I win in the end..

I'm 21 so my style of cars I liked when I was younger wasent the greatest, but on each of those cars I made a profit of atleast $4,000 on top of what I had into them so somebody out there must like them

now I've gotten more into traditonal rods, hot rods, and custom classics and I think I've grown up a lot and have much better taste in cars, I'll be the first to say that the rims on the Monte look like **** and the Mustang was ugly but when I was 16 & 17 those cars looked cool to me and my friends and the girls I was dating
 
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Arrowood Rod & Kustom

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Well, there you have it! Paint it, don't paint it....As you can see opinions are easy to come by, quality work isn't. Your shop, your choice! Good luck however you decide to go!

yep I see exactly what you mean, manly the only reason I'm thinking about painting it is other than the fact I've hated the brown since I was a 6-7 years old was all the building at the dealership are those same colors and I think if they were a nice more attractive color it would bring in more customers and just overall make the place look better so we would have to paint all 3 buildings not just mine but in the end I think it'd be worth it even if I'm just there for a year or two

I'll get picts up on Sunday of the rest of the lot and inside of the pole barn
 

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press on do what you do- its easy to judge other peoples work some may feel inadequate, which is why they put you down. I feel if you are going to work on something why not try to make it better? doing something to the shop, even painting is better than sitting on your ***. again you should be proud that you have a building even if it isn't your DREAM shop. Life isn't orange county choppers be realistic.
 
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Sorry to be harsh but stick with the teaching and the photography as your taste in modifying cars is ****..that engine bay is worse than factory.

Hey Rob, got any pics of your work you'd like to post? Maybe some from when you were only 21 years old?
 
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Arrowood Rod & Kustom

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little off topic.....what kind of tractor you have in your shop in the one pic?

its red thats about all I know, we've had it for 20+ years..we use it to pull campers around the lot, it's easier than hooking up a truck and it works great with the hitch setup they made..I can check when I head out there later on what brand it is...it's amazing how it will pull a 40+ foot 5th wheel with no problem
 
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Hey Rob, got any pics of your work you'd like to post? Maybe some from when you were only 21 years old?

haha I was thinking the same thing

appreciate you being on my side! I dont want to start anything with him but I hate it when people put down other peoples work..even if I dont like something I'll find atleast something nice to say about it

I think that engine looked a lot better after I got done with it..especially if you could have seen it when I bought the car

heres a few before and afters..
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Hey welcome to gj, like the rides esp the caddo i like em low, and i like the dub as well iam a sucker for the caprices ridin high, as for the building do dad a favor ...dont paint it, hes the one whos gonna have to maintain it long after your done and moved on,just my 2cents. welcome and keep posting pics love to see them.MAD57.
 

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Damn, I was just kidding about the Monte Carlo being a Donk. I think it is great you have the opportunity to build cars for a living!

The caddi is my favorite tho!

Do what you want, the way you want it---especially if you can make a profit.

john
 

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Actually the best thing to do is say nothing at all, no need to lie either, especially if not being asked directly for ones opinion. Keep up the work you will find your own style and find the types of cars you like to do.
 
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Arrowood Rod & Kustom

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Damn, I was just kidding about the Monte Carlo being a Donk. I think it is great you have the opportunity to build cars for a living!

The caddi is my favorite tho!

Do what you want, the way you want it---especially if you can make a profit.

john

oh wasent aiming anyting towards you I appreciate your comments, I agree the Monte was a donk...it was a poor choice of wheels thats for sure

yeah the Caddy is my favorite as well, the '31 will be my favorite when ever I get to building a frame and finish the car but that could be awhile haha
 

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As a fellow kid (19 here) trying to start my own business, it's pretty cool to see the things you have built for being only 21. Looking forward to following your progress as you build your shop and cars as well!

As someone told me once, "Find something you wouldnt mind doing for free, and making a living doing it." Best of luck man!
 

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Im not trying to bash on anyone here but a piece of advise I would like to offer for you younger guys trying to get a start. I wouldnt in too big of a hurry to start on your own, go out work in the field in the area. There is alot of things you can learn from an expierneced professional, even if you have gone to school for this. Work for different shops, paying close attention to how the do things, how they deal with customers, ask alot of questions, show a real interest, most small business people are glad to share their experiences with others (good and bad). By working for different shops you get to see different ways to achieve the same thing, chose what works for you, you put your own twist on it. Dont be afraid to do the grunt labor too, theres alot to learn in all stages of a build, learning to do the grunt work more efficiently helps the bottom line, you have to be honest with yourself, your gonna be the grunt starting out. Your gonna be the guy selling the job (need great personal skills), You have to sell a design or look (need good eye for whats hot and whats not), you need to learn how to size up a job, forsee potential problems that you may uncover once you get into a project, Your the one that needs to do the time line (time management skills) no one hates waiting on a project past its deadline, you need to be able to do the best work possible in a timely manner, and charge apropriatly for it (knowing your abilities), know how your going to deal with problems after the work is done (it happens to the best of us) 1 bad referral does more damage than 20 good referrals (people love to talk bad, few chose to compliment). Referrals will be your best advertizement (cheapest too).

I know you want to get started on your dreams, but lack of planning will kill those dreams faster than anything. Look into a local SBC Small Business Center, they have alot of great info and alot of it is free.

Sorry if I have ran off on a tangent, I could say so much, but Im gonna leave you with a few other words of advice, ask any question, I would gladly share my expierences in self employment.

1. Do do anything for free, or even at a real cut rate price, everyone will want it for the same (saves hard feelins amongst customers)

2. Have a written contract on all work to be performed (written in detail) you may have no intention on screwing the customer, but alot of customers want something for nothing. Contract will keep everything clear, if owner wants to change something from original contract rewrite contract or do a change work order form (suppliment to original).

3. Keep track of expences, they tend to add up fast as well as all income. If you dont k now how much is coming in and how much is going out you will not last long.

4. Never do a partnership, two minds never think alike, no matter how much you think they do. (Speaking from expierence here) SBC will help you with how to setup your business Sole proprietor, LLC or others, which very from state to state.

Sorry these are just a few, I have to go for now, if I get time I will add to it later.
 
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Arrowood Rod & Kustom

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good advice! thanks for taking the time to type all that..I know personally I plan on trying to intern at a couple hot rod shops in the neghiboring towns that have been open for many years and see how they do things, theres always tons of things to learn, even if your just pushing a broom your still there in the atmosphere and observing whats going on
 
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didnt get to snap any good picts this weekend of the whole lot but did take a few of the inside of the shop with my cell phone

as you can see I have a lot of cleaning and organizing to do

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Im not trying to bash on anyone here but a piece of advise I would like to offer for you younger guys trying to get a start. I wouldnt in too big of a hurry to start on your own, go out work in the field in the area. There is alot of things you can learn from an expierneced professional, even if you have gone to school for this. Work for different shops, paying close attention to how the do things, how they deal with customers, ask alot of questions, show a real interest, most small business people are glad to share their experiences with others (good and bad). By working for different shops you get to see different ways to achieve the same thing, chose what works for you, you put your own twist on it. Dont be afraid to do the grunt labor too, theres alot to learn in all stages of a build, learning to do the grunt work more efficiently helps the bottom line, you have to be honest with yourself, your gonna be the grunt starting out. Your gonna be the guy selling the job (need great personal skills), You have to sell a design or look (need good eye for whats hot and whats not), you need to learn how to size up a job, forsee potential problems that you may uncover once you get into a project, Your the one that needs to do the time line (time management skills) no one hates waiting on a project past its deadline, you need to be able to do the best work possible in a timely manner, and charge apropriatly for it (knowing your abilities), know how your going to deal with problems after the work is done (it happens to the best of us) 1 bad referral does more damage than 20 good referrals (people love to talk bad, few chose to compliment). Referrals will be your best advertizement (cheapest too).

I know you want to get started on your dreams, but lack of planning will kill those dreams faster than anything. Look into a local SBC Small Business Center, they have alot of great info and alot of it is free.

Sorry if I have ran off on a tangent, I could say so much, but Im gonna leave you with a few other words of advice, ask any question, I would gladly share my expierences in self employment.

1. Do do anything for free, or even at a real cut rate price, everyone will want it for the same (saves hard feelins amongst customers)

2. Have a written contract on all work to be performed (written in detail) you may have no intention on screwing the customer, but alot of customers want something for nothing. Contract will keep everything clear, if owner wants to change something from original contract rewrite contract or do a change work order form (suppliment to original).

3. Keep track of expences, they tend to add up fast as well as all income. If you dont k now how much is coming in and how much is going out you will not last long.

4. Never do a partnership, two minds never think alike, no matter how much you think they do. (Speaking from expierence here) SBC will help you with how to setup your business Sole proprietor, LLC or others, which very from state to state.

Sorry these are just a few, I have to go for now, if I get time I will add to it later.

I would add, be carefull, yes you did a few cars and made money with them.
Nothing wrong with that.
Any car owner who doesnt count hours spent building a car can do that.
Makin a profit that way only means that some guy with money to spare was attracted to the car.
But theres a lot of them pseudo builders out there who made tons of money
it doesn't garantee that the work done was top notch and credibility and reputation as a builder can be quickly ruined.
It is a small world.

This month Hotrod mag has a few good articles on hotrod shop ownership.

By the way, I love the Caddy.
 

falcon428

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good advice! thanks for taking the time to type all that..I know personally I plan on trying to intern at a couple hot rod shops in the neghiboring towns that have been open for many years and see how they do things, theres always tons of things to learn, even if your just pushing a broom your still there in the atmosphere and observing whats going on

Your young, I would definetly work for others to, learn and do some on the side in that shop of yours, with a few Monster or Full Throttle energy drinks you outta be able to work 16 hour days no problem...LOL Seriously though getting your shop started while working at another gives you time to build up the tools and equipment you need for your shop. Plus you can do some smaller projects in the evenings at home at your own pace, just be careful to not bite off more than you can chew.

I wish anyone the best of luck, self employement is great for some (self driven) some one that can get up early every mourning sometimes 7 days a week and can stay productive for many hours in the day. Long hours are often norm for a small shop, but for some you dont mind it, to have the freedom of being your own boss. Big misconception with self employment is you can take off a day anytime you want. I personally was the happiest working 80-100 hours a week doing the thing that I loved.

Best of Luck!!
 
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