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I agree with ihredo4. Just keeps getting more interesting. Those cans look cool.
I notice you have what looks like the garage pak quick connect air like system. Is that right? I am needing to plumb my compressor. When I looked on their website, I only saw package deals for specific garages. Any advice on using this stuff or other?
 
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What is the knob on the bulk pump for? I have 2 identicle pumps at home and can't recall if they had those or not.
 

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Amazing build, I live down around Effingham, IL and am amazed at what you have done with that build. Know you've heard it quite a few times on here but I'll chime in again with just how great it is to see someone, so skillfully bring out the old charm in a building the way you have with your property. :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
 

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Tom,
I knew there were others who appreciated the functional and historical beauty of garage "stuff". This old Standard Oil tank I rescued from destruction and thought some cleaning and powdercoating along with some brass polishing and stainless steel cap nuts would honor the years and years of service it gave someone. Being able to see past the junk is a gift. You have it... You and your family enjoy. Ralph
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Chris chiming in here...

While Tom was commuting to Guam (gone 3 weeks, home three weeks during that two-year stint), I was, indeed, studying for my Masters in Ed Admin, teaching and being department chair full time, maintaining/renting our 6 apartment buildings, sitting on two library boards, and raising a 3 and 5 year old. Keeping busy helped with the long absences. I also learned many skills (out of necessity due to not being able to afford to hire out jobs): replacing electric sockets and light switches, routing drains, replacing wax rings on toilets, minor drywall repairs, minor repairs on door locks, laying sheet goods on kitchen/bath floors, regrouting tile, refinishing wood floors, painting, wallpapering, rebuilding/replacing Delta faucets and FluidMasters, relighting pilots on furnaces/water heaters..... Eventually we could afford to hire these jobs out, but I knew if things were being done right. I also learned to not keep long lists of things for Tom to do when he came home. Traveling West to East, especially across multiple time zones, is horrible for jet lag. And knowing there were lots of things that had to get done would keep him away from fun projects.

Now the picture emerges on why I married that girl. She knows how to use tools!! :bounce:

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Thomas,............... A few things would have changed to suit my taste but like I said I love it..................

Well first off, as I'm said many, many times, thank you for taking the time to read and ponder what I've done out there and for all the support and questions too.
As I look back now, yes, there are a few things I probably would change as well. It's kind of a snapshot in time back then. I've learned so much more since then about all this. But then, the overall the goal was to build a working shop where I could do primarily mechanical work and preserve the past heritage as much as possible. The first car done in there was the Chevy II and the shop worked out wonderfully.
Here are a few images from that work. It's also good to finally see the shop at work and how it all turned out.


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Removing the old undercoating. This was January, 2008. Lift was covered in plastic so stripping chemicals wouldn't hurt the paint on the lift.

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Removing the original engine.

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Car coming back from having the underbody sandblasted clean.

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Holes in parts of the floor pan that the sanding blasting revealed.

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New floor pans installed.

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New floor pans painted and interior work being done.

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Interior being finished out.

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12 Bolt rear end was set up and assembled on the welding bench.

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Work underneath the car proceeds.

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All done underneath.

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Installation of the L79.

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Installation complete.

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Car scoots right on down the track. I believe that the primary goal for the shop was met. Thanks again for your interest.

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I agree with ihredo4. Just keeps getting more interesting. Those cans look cool.
I notice you have what looks like the garage pak quick connect air like system. Is that right? I am needing to plumb my compressor. When I looked on their website, I only saw package deals for specific garages. Any advice on using this stuff or other?

No it's not a garage pak quick connect air system. I haven't really discussed the air system in the shop at length yet, but Transair is the manufacturer. Among it's many features it uses powder coated aluminum pipe. It's all made in Germany. If it fits your budget, this is a great system. Here's a link for them. I'll discuss the system shortly in another post.

http://www.transairaluminumpipe.com/

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What is the knob on the bulk pump for? I have 2 identicle pumps at home and can't recall if they had those or not.

That is a dip stick and I bet your tanks have them.

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Pull the knob up and..........

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.......you'll find a dip stick with graduated marks. Look closely and you'll 15 at the top. It's a 15 gallon capacity oil tank. Then there are marks for every 1 gallon as seen.

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Don't pull it up too hard near the end. It should have a tab spot welded on the end to prevent the dip stick from being removed from the tank and potentially getting damaged, bent or lost.

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From this to............

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..........to this in just a few hours. That's all original paint. I also finished the second tank today. One more tank left on the clean up. I will do a more comprehensive post on these once I'm completely done.

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MENTALHEALTH, not having everything in descending order allows me a great deal of latitude. The best part is you just never know what will turn up. For example, right now while I'm waiting on the floor jacks, here's a little peak at a clean up I started.

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This is one of the 15 gallon, bulk oil storage tanks I mentioned and pictured earlier on page 7, post #122.

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By just peeling away the years of shop grim underneath is.....

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......a beautiful piece of vintage equipment. Almost like magic isn't it?. It's just amazing to me what's hidden underneath. I've got a building full of items that I removed from this shop that I'm just starting to bring back in here and start clean up and restoration of.
Sharing is what this site and this hobby is all about isn't it? The feedback and kind words I've received from you and others is extremely rewarding to me. Makes it all worthwhile, really!! :thumbup:
Check back from time to time, there's always something brewing here it seems.

Thomas

I believe the stuff you're scraping off these tanks is the stuff mentioned in an earlier post to be canned and shared with ********* visitors who really appreciate the history and work that was done over the years at this shop as well as your great efforts to date. Thanks again for sharing.

P.S. Does Chris have any available sisters?
 

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I rescued 4 of those oil cans from a dumpster Friday afternoon. There was an old garage behind one of our stations that I was working at, and was walking around when I peered into the dumpster (couldn't believe my eyes). I'm going back over there today with a trailer and dumpster diving agian to rescue alot of other things, and calling the contractor who said he'd let me inside to haul any other things I wanted out before they trashed them on monday...WoooHooo
 

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I've been a long term lurker on this forum and never posted but I've been reading your thread from the start and you have done an amazing job and the detail in your posts makes me keep coming back for more :thumbup:

It reminds me a lot of my fathers garage and family business that is still going strongly in Glasgow, Scotland for over 40 years now. I'd love to restore the building and the contents of it when he finally retires as it has great memories for me.

Keep up the great work and thanks for posting.

Al
 

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Thank you very much. I had not seen that product before. I checked the website but will need to study more. Looks like you have to call for pricing.
Thanks.
 

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Fishwacker - my 6 sisters think I'm (we're) crazy! But then, so have I at times along the way! I just take it a day at a time, not knowing what will happen tomorrow. Tom, on the other hand, jumps right in and accomplishes the tasks he sets out to do, no matter what. I just help out in my meager way.

Chris
 

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This isi the first I have seen this thread. Super cool history & restoration of the shop.

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I will when I get a chance.

Nice Duece, too.
 

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I spent 2 hours last night reading this thread and admiring your work. Amazing is the only word I can think of to describe your efforts.

Now, pull your wife's Mark VIII into that beautiful shop for a photo shoot! My favorite car (I've got 3) in a beautiful setting!
 

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The oil tanks look good and just a little smaller than the Kerosene tank we had in the station back in the 70's. So did you happen to purchase the Morton building from a salesman in Savoy named Randy Baker? :bowdown:
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Can anyone give more details about these oil bulk storage tanks? maker? availability? If I were to find one, can it be used today to dispense oil as it was originally designed for?

George

They were pretty common in gas stations and repair shops up through the 1960s and even early 1970s. They'd buy the oil in bulk, store it in those tanks, and pump it into oil cans or glass oil bottles for dispensing. If I recall correctly, one complete pump of the handle would dispense one quart. I imagine there were several manufacturers, although they all looked about the same. These days you can find them on petroliana websites, or when you buy an old shop like BB767 did. :) If you get one and clean it up, it should still work fine for dispensing oil. I see the glass oil bottles at swap meets pretty regularly - they look kind of like an oversized glass milk bottle, with a galvanized steel spout that screws on the top. They also had galvanized steel wire carriers for storing and carrying them, in either four-pack, six-pack or eight-pack styles, like this:
 

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They were pretty common in gas stations and repair shops up through the 1960s and even early 1970s. They'd buy the oil in bulk, store it in those tanks, and pump it into oil cans or glass oil bottles for dispensing. If I recall correctly, one complete pump of the handle would dispense one quart. I imagine there were several manufacturers, although they all looked about the same. These days you can find them on petroliana websites, or when you buy an old shop like BB767 did. :) If you get one and clean it up, it should still work fine for dispensing oil. I see the glass oil bottles at swap meets pretty regularly - they look kind of like an oversized glass milk bottle, with a galvanized steel spout that screws on the top. They also had galvanized steel wire carriers for storing and carrying them, in either four-pack, six-pack or eight-pack styles, like this:

Thanks Stuart for all that information.

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One picture is worth.........

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The raised lip around the cap....... .

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centered the bottle.......


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while it was filled. There was a " fill to line " on the bottle.

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My first post on this site, VERY IMPRESSED! I check this thread daily. I have an old gas station in Williamsville Ill on Route 66, would like to restore some day, just work in it and visit with tourists now.
 

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Fishwacker - my 6 sisters think I'm (we're) crazy! But then, so have I at times along the way! I just take it a day at a time, not knowing what will happen tomorrow. Tom, on the other hand, jumps right in and accomplishes the tasks he sets out to do, no matter what. I just help out in my meager way.

Chris

Chris- Sounds like your sisters might not be mature enough to appreciate a grand work ethic and the results it can produce. Of course no two siblings are alike so I'm certain they do have their own unique qualities that make them sparkle in other ways. You are both very fortunate to have each other for teammates and please don't discount your efforts and contributions as meager. I'm certain Thomas would agree on that point. Thanks again for sharing the adventure and also the inspiration and hope it cultivates for so many. You guys are golden.
 
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Tom,
I knew there were others who appreciated the functional and historical beauty of garage "stuff". This old Standard Oil tank I rescued from destruction and thought some cleaning and powdercoating along with some brass polishing and stainless steel cap nuts would honor the years and years of service it gave someone. Being able to see past the junk is a gift. You have it... You and your family enjoy. Ralph

Nice work Ralph. When cleaned up it is truly art work isn't it. Clearly you have that " gift " for old " stuff ". Thanks for the post.

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Good wife, good job, great attitude... and more, I continue to creep in here daily for updates.

Just grinning at how good life is.

Grizz1963 right now I'm trying to imagine how you " creep in here for daily updates " :headscrat Those of us who are garage nuts will do just about anything to satisfy our love of the hobby won't we? Enjoy!
Thomas
 
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I believe the stuff you're scraping off these tanks is the stuff mentioned in an earlier post to be canned and shared with ********* visitors who really appreciate the history and work that was done over the years at this shop as well as your great efforts to date. Thanks again for sharing.

P.S. Does Chris have any available sisters?


I believe you're right! I'm just waiting for someone to stop by the shop and mention " so where's the bottled old shop scent, I need a hit?! "

BTW, of the 7 sisters in that family I got the pick of the litter, oh ya! :beer:

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I rescued 4 of those oil cans from a dumpster Friday afternoon. There was an old garage behind one of our stations that I was working at, and was walking around when I peered into the dumpster (couldn't believe my eyes). I'm going back over there today with a trailer and dumpster diving agian to rescue alot of other things, and calling the contractor who said he'd let me inside to haul any other things I wanted out before they trashed them on monday...WoooHooo

I love stories like that!! I've been known to dumpster dive myself. Congratulations Bevis. Rather be lucky than good any day. Keep us posted on the " loot! " :thumbup:

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I've been a long term lurker on this forum and never posted but I've been reading your thread from the start and you have done an amazing job and the detail in your posts makes me keep coming back for more :thumbup:

It reminds me a lot of my fathers garage and family business that is still going strongly in Glasgow, Scotland for over 40 years now. I'd love to restore the building and the contents of it when he finally retires as it has great memories for me.

Keep up the great work and thanks for posting.

Al

Armour, I'm not so sure I'd admit publicly that " I've been a long term lurker........ " Aren't there laws against something like that? :headscrat

My great grandfather was a Mc Millan and was from the Edinburgh area. Took my daughter back a few years ago to introduce her to the old country and she absolutely fell in love with it. Good daughter!

Don't let that shop of your fathers leave the family! Good to have you with us, Thomas
 
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Hi, New member here,
Incredible story.
Can anyone give more details about these oil bulk storage tanks? maker? availability?
If I were to find one, can it be used today to dispense oil as it was originally designed for?

George

Welcome George, I think you're going to find this forum interesting and informative. If you've got a question, I'm betting someone will be able to provide an answer to it as you've already seen ( thanks again Stuart ).

BTW, I feel the approach into Geneva is one of the most picturesque that I've ever flown. Used to go there and Zurich several times a month. No drag strips that I could find though, pity. :sad:

Thomas
 

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In defense of my sisters (I guess I inadvertently started this), my maturity level, or maybe foresight, was a bit impaired 35 years ago. I went into a lot of our (his) "projects" kicking and screaming (in the very early days sort of just not participating - a bit passive-aggressive, don't ya think? -, knowing he'd just go ahead and do it anyway), thinking they were unaffordable and totally crazy (they were at the time, but we're over that now). I didn't (and really still don't always) have the "vision" like he does. Though I've participated in my own way to help things along. I chose him, so I'm stuck with (to?) him (in a good way)! Like I said, I'm just along for the interesting ride. (Actually, this whole thread is rather cathartic - things I've never actually consciously thought about before. Helps my perspective. I just did what had to be done at the time to the best of my ability, learning lots along the way that I never thought I wanted or needed to learn. I certainly wouldn't want to turn back the clock and do it again, nor would I want it any other way. I would never wish my busy-ness - or energy or lack of need for sleep - on anyone. It can make others tired just hearing what I use to do in my youthful exuberance! My parents raised independent girls - we all have our strengths, but we all get it done - not a lazy one in the group!)

And I think bottled "eau de garage" might be a moneymaker. We've been looking for the next "pet rock" idea for years. We have plenty to bottle, for sure. The bottle would have to be shaped like something automotive related, maybe something that could hang on a key chain (remember those little bottles of cologne back in the late 60s and early 70s that were about 1-1/2 inches tall with a metal crown for a cap? Those would be the perfect size). If we did shop tours, the cost of entry would get you a bottle of the scent on a key chain! I bet Tom is working on this now. A great project for our son, maybe, to contribute to the cause. NOTICE: This idea is patented, so don't steal it!

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I spent 2 hours last night reading this thread and admiring your work. Amazing is the only word I can think of to describe your efforts.

Now, pull your wife's Mark VIII into that beautiful shop for a photo shoot! My favorite car (I've got 3) in a beautiful setting!

Now there you go putting ideas ( "I've got 3 " ) in her head! Thanks a lot! Help like that I don't need, trust me. The barn is full already. I can't get her Mark on the lift because it's too low to the ground. Guess we'd do the photo shoot in the fab room with a nice 30 ton press for a backdrop. :D

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The oil tanks look good and just a little smaller than the Kerosene tank we had in the station back in the 70's. So did you happen to purchase the Morton building from a salesman in Savoy named Randy Baker? :bowdown:

That's the guy. Randy is my " main man ". He was very helpful and creative with some custom design " issues " that had to be done to accommodate my needs. Good man all the way around. :thumbup:

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My first post on this site, VERY IMPRESSED! I check this thread daily. I have an old gas station in Williamsville Ill on Route 66, would like to restore some day, just work in it and visit with tourists now.

Hi Frank and welcome. If you already own that old gas station then the hard part is already done. As for the restoration, just make it happen! Having it located on Route 66 is just a bonus. Now start sending us pictures.

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And I think bottled "eau de garage" might be a moneymaker. We've been looking for the next "pet rock" idea for years. We have plenty to bottle, for sure. The bottle would have to be shaped like something automotive related, maybe something that could hang on a key chain (remember those little bottles of cologne back in the late 60s and early 70s that were about 1-1/2 inches tall with a metal crown for a cap? Those would be the perfect size). If we did shop tours, the cost of entry would get you a bottle of the scent on a key chain! I bet Tom is working on this now. A great project for our son, maybe, to contribute to the cause. NOTICE: This idea is patented, so don't steal it!

Chris[/QUOTE]

No disrespect intended toward your sisters, just thought there might be another in the bunch with a similar character/attitude about mechanical stuff that also knew how to use tools without drawing blood. LOL

As far as stealing the "eau de Garage" idea, not to worry. There's prolly some little Chinese hacker working on the recipe as we post. Don't be surprised when you see it in the automotive department at your local Walmart. LOL Thanks again for taking the time to share this with us.

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I believe you're right! I'm just waiting for someone to stop by the shop and mention " so where's the bottled old shop scent, I need a hit?! "

BTW, of the 7 sisters in that family I got the pick of the litter, oh ya! :beer:

Thomas

Let's hope none of the other sister read this thread!!!!

Ha!

Tom

ps - what a family it must be! When I was a young teenager the next door neighbors had 5 girls - all about my age or a little younger. Very nice!!
 
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Music adds an essential element to the shop environment. I love music and have it on when I first walk in the shop almost before I turn on the lights. It sets a certain mood. I planned on having a sound system of some sort from the beginning.This was another case where I had to get the shop all cleaned out and then look at what it would take to install a system that not only functioned well but was user friendly and convenient. The shop is about 2,200 square feet overall and has three main work areas. They are somewhat isolated from each other as you've seen. To keep the sound levels roughly equal meant a pair of speakers for each work area would be needed.

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I decided on round ceiling speakers to keep them unobtrusive. These are the pair in the fabrication ( fab ) room.

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North room..........

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And lift room, the second speaker is just out of frame to the right of the air hose reel. Originally I was just going to use a stereo receiver and use radio over the speakers. Two things stopped that. I could not get decent reception out there and frankly, the quality of programming on commercial radio these days is just awful. I'm not going to sugar coat it, but that's just how I feel. Satellite radio was still an unknown, whether it would survive. Also I really didn't want to have to pay a monthly fee. Here's why........

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This is a sample of my more than 3,000 vinyl 33 1/3 rpm LP ( Long Playing ) record albums. I've been a rather avid record collector for a long time now. Almost any blues, early rock 'n roll, British invasion, 60's rock etc. I already own this music so I decided to make use of it out in the shop. My son records the LP's to his computer and then transfers them to CD's. Once I'm working in the shop I can be there for 8 - 10 hours or more sometimes and I don't want to have to mess with swapping out CD's so I got a 400 disc CD changer.

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The changer is fairly deep at over 19" overall as I recall so these shelf brackets were fabricated to hold it. I used 1" square tubing for the two 90 degree tubes and 3/4" for the angled tube. The ends of the 1" were also covered so you wouldn't have a raw open end to look into when it was installed.( I haven't installed the stainless steel tops on the work benches yet in this picture )


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Painted gloss black. I used polished, stainless steel acorn nuts and washers to fasten them to the wall and to the shelf.

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A total of three were used. I had a piece of 18" wide sycamore lumber that was close enough for length and width. You can see a small portion of the CD changer feet sticking out past the self. It's weight is biased to the rear so this didn't present a problem.

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The look is very utilitarian, not elegant. It was another small detail I could easily have gotten bogged down in. As it is I dressed them up somewhat, using smaller 3/4" tubing on the angled tubes, rather than the 1"on the mains for visual balance, capped the ends, polished stainless hardware etc. It's just a shelf, it's in a garage, move ahead. :dunno: Behind on the wall are some LP covers that are automotive related. The LP's were either all music or the sound track taken from drag race meets. On those you just hear the public address system at the track, the sound of the engines starting, the car staging and then running down the drag strip with the roar of the crowd in the background. Women don't get it :wtf:, guys really dig it! Starting from the left, the cover was from Detroit 1958 moving chronologically to the right, Indy 1967. A jet engine powered dragster in the middle....... just because I can! :D

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To help balance out the sound levels I installed individual volume switches that are impedance matched for each pair of speakers. Seen above the dark small sign.

BTW the 2 oil cans on the shelf with the big red " M " are McMillan oil, honest!! My great grandfather has to be smiling over that! :)

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You'll note the switch cover plate is a bit crooked. The size of the individual switches themselves, the way they are configured, the wire to connect everything, the small size of the box itself, all conspired against me. After more than 2 hours of shimming, prying, tightening and loosening,and saying bad words I wouldn't want my mother to hear:FIREdevil:tantrum2::rant:.............that's the best I could do. You don't know the anguish, the hurt, the anger, the frustration, the embarrassment........ you just don't know....how could you possibly know............it looks so simple, why even a pilot could do it......... At least the screw slots lined up!

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The small " Mast Lighting Protection Systems " sign was put in the shop when the lighting rods on the roof were installed.

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Don't know when, from the '50's, 40's :dunno: Anyone out there recognize it?

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I put the system here where all three rooms join. It's the most central part of the shop. To me there is nothing more satisfying than working on cars from the 60's and having quality, period music from the 50's , 60's playing, oh ya! :thumbup:

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Let's hope none of the other sister read this thread!!!!

Ha!

Tom

ps - what a family it must be! When I was a young teenager the next door neighbors had 5 girls - all about my age or a little younger. Very nice!!

Wanna bet her Dad ( the only male in the family ) had to reserve the bathroom weeks in advance! My heart goes out to him.

Thomas
 

thammel

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I like your LP collection. No need to apologize for your opinion of the current music on the radio! I'm right with ya'. But then maybe it's just being a old fart, who knows. I grew up in the 50's and 60's so that's the music that I primarily go for. But I also love the good singers - of course Sinatra is one of the main ones. I became a Roy Orbison fanatic way back then and haven't stopped since then. I met him once backstage and saw him live many times. My Orbison collection is pretty amazing. I used to sell my spares of his worldwide and have gotten to know many fans from around the world. There are still annual fan gatherings. We've gotten to know Bill Dees (co-writer of many songs including Pretty Woman) and Joe Melson (co-writer of Crying, Only the Lonely, etc.) and many others including his sons. So this has been fun. I imagine you could pull out a dozen or so of your lps and really enjoy the music! With as many as you have, how many 8 work days in the garage do you think it would take to listen to them all?

Let's see - 2 lps per hour make 16 lps per 8 hours. At 3200 lps, that's 200 days!!!!

Cool!
Tom
 
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