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[Outlawmws]

No offense taken. I'm not asking people to "bid" against one another, just make me an offer if interested. No one sees anyone else's offer, which is unlike eBay.

That is a very cool vise you have! And I really like what it is holding.

Might want to read the rules for the classifieds:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94319

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Might want to read the rules for the classifieds:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94319

I'm not a long time member but this seems like the 3rd time I've seen this kind of thing occurring in the non-classified forums in the last couple of weeks after never seeing it happen in my time here until now. Not good.

Thanks for reminding 'em Outlaw.

 

[Productbob]

Called on a CL ad for a Holland 14 today but was second caller so I'm the backup buyer as of now but seller said he had a couple other old dusty vises in the shed. Took a ride and came home with a Craftsman 51801, a Reed 203 and Reed 22 pipe vise. All were indeed covered in dust. $60.00 for the three of them.

Still working on the dust covered projects (Reed 203 swivel is rusted tight at the moment) but after a week the seller called and I picked up the Hollands 14 today. Fortunate on this one but the backlog of projects is growing

 

[Productbob]

Tacktics, the 604 looks great! Nice work

 

[Shiftless]

Tacktics:
Welcome to this crazy little group. Your restoration looks great! And by the way... for a Columbian 604 bought for only $10...
YOU ****!

 

[RBarnes]

I'm not a long time member but this seems like the 3rd time I've seen this kind of thing occurring in the non-classified forums in the last couple of weeks after never seeing it happen in my time here until now. Not good.

Thanks for reminding 'em Outlaw.

Although I tend to be wildly capitalistic and love an open market anything goes type attitude, I also find it annoying when someone has something they claim they want to sell but then they think you are supposed to beg for it. Last three vises I tried to buy, they all wanted me to make an offer without ever telling me a FIRM sales price. No matter what you offer, they want more. Or after they tell you a price, and you tell them you will buy it, they say, "I am not sure I want to sell it.". The same type people that lay awake at night and worry they sold something 50 cents cheaper than they could have got. Even worse than those who torture themselves worrying if they paid too much (scared of the past, afraid of the future). No self confidence, scared little children.

Shake my hand, take my money, lets load the vise and move on to the next deal. Nonsense games are for children. It is your vise, if you do not know what you will sell it for, who does? Trust me, there is ALWAYS someone else SOME DAY that "might" pay more for it, so keep it the rest of your life and someone else can buy it at your estate sale. The rest of us buy and sell things, we are in the real "game" so to speak. We win, we lose, we have adventures, we have fun, we embrace the thrill of life. You are just a spectator, sitting on the sidelines, so scared to do anything, you never get to really play because you are too afraid to try. If I buy something for $10 and sell it for a $100 and people say I could have sold it for $125 dollars. I don't give a damn. I made $90. I will take my $90 and buy something else (that I usually also make money on). You will keep yours ten times longer and make a lot less money in the long run than I will. You think you are smarter than I am, I think I have a lot more interesting life. I enjoy my "stupid" existence.

I have enough pride and self confidence so I don't "need" to have anything bad enough to beg for it.

 

[AndrewH]

Long Post

Amen brother! I messaged him about it but never heard back, even though I would like to have it so I could complete my trio of 5196/5197/5198 I just don’t like the whole silent auction model. Tell me what you really want for it and I’ll tell you if it’s within my budget.

Or just throw it on eBay and let people duke it out if you really want to let the market decide.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

Although I tend to be wildly capitalistic and love an open market anything goes type attitude, I also find it annoying when someone has something they claim they want to sell but then they think you are supposed to beg for it. Last three vises I tried to buy, they all wanted me to make an offer without ever telling me a FIRM sales price. No matter what you offer, they want more. Or after they tell you a price, and you tell them you will buy it, they say, "I am not sure I want to sell it.". The same type people that lay awake at night and worry they sold something 50 cents cheaper than they could have got. Even worse than those who torture themselves worrying if they paid too much (scared of the past, afraid of the future). No self confidence, scared little children.

Shake my hand, take my money, lets load the vise and move on to the next deal. Nonsense games are for children. It is your vise, if you do not know what you will sell it for, who does? Trust me, there is ALWAYS someone else SOME DAY that "might" pay more for it, so keep it the rest of your life and someone else can buy it at your estate sale. The rest of us buy and sell things, we are in the real "game" so to speak. We win, we lose, we have adventures, we have fun, we embrace the thrill of life. You are just a spectator, sitting on the sidelines, so scared to do anything, you never get to really play because you are too afraid to try. If I buy something for $10 and sell it for a $100 and people say I could have sold it for $125 dollars. I don't give a damn. I made $90. I will take my $90 and buy something else (that I usually also make money on). You will keep yours ten times longer and make a lot less money in the long run than I will. You think you are smarter than I am, I think I have a lot more interesting life. I enjoy my "stupid" existence.

I have enough pride and self confidence so I don't "need" to have anything bad enough to beg for it.

Absolutely understand where you're coming from. Everyday there's a guy here in town advertising stuff from the commercial storage building where he's got it stored. I've been seeing this guy's overpriced stuff for at least the last 2 years. I suspect he's never sold a thing but he's paid for it probably going on a hundred times over just to "make a few dollars" or rather "make sure no one got a good deal over on him".

Like you said, I've made mistakes and lost money but it's water under the bridge. Live, learn and move on to the next thing.

 

[Shiftless]

I agree 100%

Would we feel the same if the price was $1000 or best offer?

 

[RBarnes]

Amen brother! I messaged him about it but never heard back, even though I would like to have it so I could complete my trio of 5196/5197/5198 I just don’t like the whole silent auction model. Tell me what you really want for it and I’ll tell you if it’s within my budget.

Or just throw it on eBay and let people duke it out if you really want to let the market decide.

The way I look at it, if you are meant to have one you will, if not, you will not. There may be a thousand things that affect that, but in the end you will either get one or not. That is the basic truth of the situation. If I were him, I would message you back and apologize for not contacting you sooner. Give you a price I would be happy to sell it for, and then and sell it to you. No ebay fee, no pay pal fee, no bull ****. If someone messages me 10 minutes later and offers more money, too late for them, not for me. I made a deal, got the money I wanted - my word and my honor is good. Been my experience when I do things the right way and I "take the high road" I live a much better life.

 

[RBarnes]

I agree 100%

Would we feel the same if the price was $1000 or best offer?

I would feel better about it, he can ask whatever he wants and I can pay whatever I want. That is the America I know, love and respect. Having said that, unless I wanted to pay his asking price I normally would not waste the time. If I did say I would pay the asking price and he replied he was waiting to see if he got better offers, I would not buy it (even for less than the asking price). I do not enjoy owning anything that I had to play games or beg for.

 

[NKlamerus]

Anyone know where I can source new pads? I think it's a Wilton Homeowners vice

 

[Josh C]

Hey folks haven’t had much time to post lately but do my best to stay caught up with the forum. Usually means that I have to do a GJ marathon about one evening a week which is fun . Appreciate all the pictures of scores and the collections you all take the time to share. No matter how my day has gone I always can feel like all is right with the world if I can get to read 2 plus new pages of the vise forum. Thanks to all for that.
Wanted to see if anyone could identify this Wilton bullet for me that’s up for auction online not too far away. Looks like a small C series to me, but I wanted to hear what more knowledgeable and experienced minds thought. Sorry for the small picture. Only info I could see on it were the numbers 1167 on the static jaws right side standing facing the end cap. Don’t know at the moment how high to go as I’m sitting on a max bid atm of $100 but the bids are creeping closer ($85) so thought since I cannot make the preview I would ask here. Thanks for any assistance and I will throw up some random vise pic now in compensation for any info, or just check out if ya don’t know anything Josh. PS I was having troubles uploading the pictures for some reason (Thinkin it’s the internet here) and did some retakes and they aren’t showing up so there may be two pictures or there may be six with doubles. Apologies if doubles

 

[Shiftless]

Josh
That is definitely a Wilton C series vise and from where I sit, it looks to be in good shape. But you can’t tell from that pic if there are any cracks or chunks missing.
My C1 is marked 111277
But the one you pictured looks like an earlier model so I’m not sure that the 6 digit model IDs are consistant.

 

[chrisnazzy]

Wanted to see if anyone could identify this Wilton bullet for me that’s up for auction online not too far away. Looks like a small C series to me, but I wanted to hear what more knowledgeable and experienced minds thought. Sorry for the small picture. Only info I could see on it were the numbers 1167 on the static jaws right side standing facing the end cap. Don’t know at the moment how high to go as I’m sitting on a max bid atm of $100 but the bids are creeping closer ($85) so thought since I cannot make the preview I would ask here.

Looks like a later model C0 or C1. Certainly a desirable vise. Wilton still makes this same vise and the cheapest price online I can find for a new C1 is $727 plus tax and shipping @ Grainger. If you look up sold values on eBay you'll see some buyers have been willing to pay $500.

I bought a C1 from a picker friend for our shop recently. We gave him $200 and a free Interstate battery. I thought we got a pretty good deal. If I were bidding on the one you're looking at I too would love to get it around the $100 you're currently bidding but even @ $200 you're still getting a good deal. Hope this helps.

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[Shiftless]

I agree on the $200 value for a good deal.

 

[jreb10]

I would feel better about it, he can ask whatever he wants and I can pay whatever I want. That is the America I know, love and respect. Having said that, unless I wanted to pay his asking price I normally would not waste the time. If I did say I would pay the asking price and he replied he was waiting to see if he got better offers, I would not buy it (even for less than the asking price). I do not enjoy owning anything that I had to play games or beg for.

I would like to apologize to everyone for the distress I have caused in this instance. I have shut down the posting in the Classified section. I was committed to selling the vise at any offer greater or equal to $250, and very much wanted the 5198 to go to someone who contributes to this thread because of all the knowledge I have gained here and all the pleasure I get from reading about everyone's finds and restorations.

This vise is really hard to put a price on. I could have put it on eBay but that would only have attracted many more bidders and made it harder for anyone here to win it. Alternatively I could have priced it really, really high and added "or best offer" in the Classifieds. Perhaps that would have been a better approach. But I wanted to give everyone here a fair shot at it, and not put such a high price on it that most us would not even think of making an offer.

Again, please accept my apologies.

 

[AndrewH]

I would like to apologize to everyone for the distress I have caused in this instance. I have shut down the posting in the Classified section. I was committed to selling the vise at any offer greater or equal to $250, and very much wanted the 5198 to go to someone who contributes to this thread because of all the knowledge I have gained here and all the pleasure I get from reading about everyone's finds and restorations.

This vise is really hard to put a price on. I could have put it on eBay but that would only have attracted many more bidders and made it harder for anyone here to win it. Alternatively I could have priced it really, really high and added "or best offer" in the Classifieds. Perhaps that would have been a better approach. But I wanted to give everyone here a fair shot at it, and not put such a high price on it that most us would not even think of making an offer.

Again, please accept my apologies.

No distress on my end, I made an offer of more than your asking price, if you really want it to go to someone that’s going to take care of it and bring it forward into the next 50+ years, I’m your guy.

Message me back and let’s talk, I am always willing to pay a fair price that we can both be happy with.

 

[Smitty]

Here’s the new addition to the family. This Prentiss vise no. 18 has 2 5/8” jaws and weighs in at 17 lbs. The vise is in great shape and appears to still have the aged patina under the hastily applied paint job. Here’s a couple of pics next to its big brother.
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[Jack84]

Bought my second Hemklem vise yesterday. This one is like new. Stoked!!

 

[Fierljeppen]

Bought my second Hemklem vise yesterday. This one is like new. Stoked!!

You forgot to post some photos. Does it look something this?

 

[Shiftless]

Jack:
That’s a new one to me. Made right there in your home country. I had to google the name to get a pic. Looks to be quite stout!

Please post pics when you get your hands on it.

Edit: Fierlgeppen and I posted a minute apart. Thanks for posting that pic.

 

[Jack84]

You forgot to post some photos. Does it look something this?

That's the one. Mine is green though and tack welded to a pipe fitters table ... Oh well, can't complain for 25,- euros.

 

[sgtgeo]

Recently found a nice Chicago Morgan 140 for $50.

No cracks or repairs, straight handle, sharp jaws.

During the disassembly I was having some issues getting the jaw screws out.

Was looking like I’d have to drill them out.

I found out this vise is still made under the Chicago Milwaukee brand and parts are available.

I contacted Chicago Milwaukee for a set of jaw screws. They told me that type of screw has not been available since the 1970’s but I could buy new jaws that would come with new different screws.

Ended up using a HF manual impact driver which loosened them right up.

My question is about these old screws. Why were they used? Why aren’t they made? What’s the deal?

Joking around with a guy at work we decided we’ve lost the technology to create jaw screws. Perhaps something related to ‘70s sideburns.

Anyone have any info? Did the whole vise industry just decide on a different countersink angle at a national vise summit?

Thanks

 

[Loydski29]

[QUOTE=Smitty;7868081]Here’s the new addition to the family. This Prentiss vise no. 18 has 2 5/8” jaws and weighs in at 17 lbs. The vise is in great shape and appears to still have the aged patina under the hastily applied paint job. Here’s a couple of pics next to its big brother.

Smitty that no18 looks very nice can’t wait to see it all cleaned up congrats!

 

[Smitty]

[QUOTE=Smitty;7868081]Here’s the new addition to the family. This Prentiss vise no. 18 has 2 5/8” jaws and weighs in at 17 lbs. The vise is in great shape and appears to still have the aged patina under the hastily applied paint job. Here’s a couple of pics next to its big brother.

Smitty that no18 looks very nice can’t wait to see it all cleaned up congrats!

Thanks Loydski. Yeah, that Red paint has got to go. I’m going to strip it this weekend and post pics of the set.

 

[Productbob]

Smitty, the "little guy" makes big brother look a damn giant! looking forward to seeing the transformation.

 

[Shiftless]

Thanks Loydski. Yeah, that Red paint has got to go. I’m going to strip it this weekend and post pics of the set.

That’s gonna be a great day..seeing the whole set gleaming in the CA sunshine.
Great work Smitty!

 

[Smitty]

Smitty, the "little guy" makes big brother look a damn giant! looking forward to seeing the transformation.

Thanks Bob, I can’t wait to clean it up.

 

[Smitty]

That’s gonna be a great day..seeing the whole set gleaming in the CA sunshine.
Great work Smitty!

Thanks shift, I’ll be breaking out the Coppertone this weekend.

 

[txlonghorn1989]

The way I look at it, if you are meant to have one you will, if not, you will not. There may be a thousand things that affect that, but in the end you will either get one or not. That is the basic truth of the situation. If I were him, I would message you back and apologize for not contacting you sooner. Give you a price I would be happy to sell it for, and then and sell it to you. No ebay fee, no pay pal fee, no bull ****. If someone messages me 10 minutes later and offers more money, too late for them, not for me. I made a deal, got the money I wanted - my word and my honor is good. Been my experience when I do things the right way and I "take the high road" I live a much better life.

This. Period.

 

[Tacktics]

Tacktics:

Welcome to this crazy little group. Your restoration looks great! And by the way... for a Columbian 604 bought for only $10...

YOU ****!

Thank u .....


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[Josh C]

Hey thanks Chrisnazzy and Shiftless for the input. I agree that the vise does look like it’s in nice condition and so it’s worth going up to $200 and have confidence that you would be able to get that back probably with out any issues. Would be cool to have a low mileage bullet as a possible keeper but since I am fully possessed by the vise collection bug it’s hard to say but might allow me to pass along a couple of other Wilton’s bullets to another vise enthusiast who was interested. Been feeling the need to purge my collection a bit which would give me the room to add some more Reeds . But truth be told I dropped everything this morning when I saw a leg vise on Marketplace for a steal and went an hour and five one way to purchase it. Then I came home to a package with the 1 1/2”Stanley I just won at auction for $42 I believe. So not confident that I will be able to stop myself or slow down my desire to buy any vintage American made vise that I run across.

Hey Smitty- it’s been a treat to have you show your Prentiss purchases as you have added to your collection. Looking forward to seeing the family group shot if you can get them all rounded up and oiled down

 

[jrobb316]

Recently found a nice Chicago Morgan 140 for $50.

No cracks or repairs, straight handle, sharp jaws.

During the disassembly I was having some issues getting the jaw screws out.

Was looking like I’d have to drill them out.

I found out this vise is still made under the Chicago Milwaukee brand and parts are available.

I contacted Chicago Milwaukee for a set of jaw screws. They told me that type of screw has not been available since the 1970’s but I could buy new jaws that would come with new different screws.

Ended up using a HF manual impact driver which loosened them right up.

My question is about these old screws. Why were they used? Why aren’t they made? What’s the deal?

Joking around with a guy at work we decided we’ve lost the technology to create jaw screws. Perhaps something related to ‘70s sideburns.

Anyone have any info? Did the whole vise industry just decide on a different countersink angle at a national vise summit?

Thanks

Go to the hardware store, you'll find what you need in a socket head screw instead of a flathead. 5/16-18 if I recall

 

[sgtgeo]

Go to the hardware store, you'll find what you need in a socket head screw instead of a flathead. 5/16-18 if I recall

Not with the 30 or 35deg bevel.

The thread pattern is not the issues I think mine is 1/4-20. I'm sure a socket head screw will hold the jaws in place it will not fit the jaws correctly unless you were to mill the beveled hole in the jaw to accept a different angle bevel or flat for a regular socket head cap screw.

I was able to salvage and clean up the original screws.

Now I'm curious about the "why" why this angle, why the change, was this type of screw specific to vises or the time period, etc.

 

[jrobb316]

Not with the 30 or 35deg bevel.

The thread pattern is not the issues I think mine is 1/4-20. I'm sure a socket head screw will hold the jaws in place it will not fit the jaws correctly unless you were to mill the beveled hole in the jaw to accept a different angle bevel or flat for a regular socket head cap screw.

I was able to salvage and clean up the original screws.

Now I'm curious about the "why" why this angle, why the change, was this type of screw specific to vises or the time period, etc.

I have a morgan 335 im working on and found the right screws. Maybe different models or time frames had different screws

 

[sgtgeo]

I have a morgan 335 im working on and found the right screws. Maybe different models or time frames had different screws

Interesting did they look like these someone made from another type of screw?

 

[jrobb316]

To be clear, this is the screw type I used. My angles were correct. The screws were large for a 3.5" jaw.

 

[Shiftless]

Interesting did they look like these someone made from another type of screw?

AFAIK, this is what most of us have to do to get screws that fit like those unusual originals. Chuck up a 1/4-20 bolt in an electric drill and hold it against the spinning stone on a bench grinder. To enjoy the full GJ experience you should use a vintage Craftsman block grinder or a Baldor.

If the threads get a bit bunged up, chase with an appropriate die.
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[boblikestools]

A little shocked to learn what the price of a new post vise costs. Was quoted $3778 shipped to my door. Yeaaah ok... The search continues.