73surffisher
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^^^^ winner, , that is awesome
Any **** Wood Stoves Out there?
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What is the downside to the catalyst / catalytic stoves?
I never liked the idea of catalytic stove.. not sure why though... lol
We have been talking about replacing my old "Warm Morning" stove for years...
but I always procrastinate.... I really don't want to drop $3500 on a new technology stove and find out it doesn't put out good heat like the warm morning...
problem is the warn morning firebrick is about gone... broken etc and replacements are near impossible to get ...
also my homeowners insurance is giving me grief because the stove is so old...
Those Jotuls look nice.... not as fancy as the VC but its in the basement anyway...
I'd prolly buy the biggest Jotul model... just because...
anyway...
thats my ramble...
I guess I need to do some research...
I want HEAT !!!
I don’t know how “****” this one would be considered, but it heats the hell out of my 20x30 uninsulated metal garage. It’s an old fireplace insert, I trimmed the left front part off, since it was only for aesthetics, and space is pretty tight for me. It has a 320cfm blower on the right side, blows air all around the whole firebox and out 4 holes on the face. The heat exchanger I made for the top, just has a fan that hangs on the wall behind it and blows air through it. As long as you feed it dry wood, it’ll put out the heat!
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Gonna chime in here on the soapstone.
They are really HEAVY, even compared to cast iron. Mine ways nearly half a ton. i'm stuck with it, because the guys that helped me move it in said "Don't call us if you ever take it out".
They are for serious heating only. You won't be throwing in a handful of chips and the sports section to take the chill off. If you try that you will keep adding fire until, all of a sudden the stone warms up and you are too hot. On the other hand, they hold heat a long time after the fire dies. Great for overnight in weather that just barely needs real heat.
Unless you go completely nuts with the fire, the outside of the stove stays cooler than a metal one, you are less likely to burn yourself by accidental contact.
They are really HEAVY, even compared to cast iron. Mine ways nearly half a ton. i'm stuck with it, because the guys that helped me move it in said "Don't call us if you ever take it out".
They are for serious heating only. You won't be throwing in a handful of chips and the sports section to take the chill off. If you try that you will keep adding fire until, all of a sudden the stone warms up and you are too hot. On the other hand, they hold heat a long time after the fire dies. Great for overnight in weather that just barely needs real heat.
Unless you go completely nuts with the fire, the outside of the stove stays cooler than a metal one, you are less likely to burn yourself by accidental contact.
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There used to be a picture of a Polish wood stove, it was made out of 2x4's. I could not find a picture to post of it. LOL
Yankeefarmer
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No, but we’ve had it’s baby brother, the Heritage, (looks identical) for 8-10 years now. Love it. It heats our 24x36 great room and adjoining dining room. It replaced a 1990 or so vintage Vermont Castings Resolute Acclaim which now heats my workshop. Like was mentioned earlier, we purchased the VC based on their then-great reputation, only to find after 10 years that the unique combustion chamber had deteriorated to where it was not practical to fire it in high efficiency mode. It still does what I need in my workshop.
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In Pa we burn coal in our warm morningsMy old warm morning
I actually think it’s kind of ****...
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In Pa we burn coal in our warm mornings
Yes Ive used coal in it also...
I replaced the grate last fall.
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Does your Heritage stove have a Catalyst ?
looks like ALL the new Hearthstone stoves now have a catalyst...
also looks like they discontinued the Equinox 8000
http://hearthstonestoves.com/wood-products/4594643898
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I’ve always been a fan of the older fisher wood stoves. Ive got one but have yet to light it up.
Sevenhills1952
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I'm going to get lots of nasty replies but Dad (rip) bought a Fisher Momma Bear in early 70s put in dining room. Mom's still living, both have (had) respiratory problems. Neither smoked.
We have a Vermont Castings B vent propane for emergency heat. I'd prefer an outdoor wood burner if I had to have one, but we have three propane furnaces.
Fisher was supposed to be "air tight", but no wood burner is, blowback through vents and when opening door.
I know I'll get bad replies...but it's true.
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We have a Vermont Castings B vent propane for emergency heat. I'd prefer an outdoor wood burner if I had to have one, but we have three propane furnaces.
Fisher was supposed to be "air tight", but no wood burner is, blowback through vents and when opening door.
I know I'll get bad replies...but it's true.
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Anyone own a hearthstone equinox 8000 ?
Looks pretty **** to me.
Big too ...
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I’ve had this Hearthstone for two yrs. now. My first, a smaller one was in 1980 & still works very well. Both are attractive and carry over the night. The larger keeps the glass clean by itself. To me seeing the fire is almost as important as its efficiency.
Problems encountered are:
The installer- you'd think after 40 yrs in the business he could install the chimney W/O leaks. Not so, had to redo his work. Be on site for the install, these stoves need an outside air source and my installer, cracked tiles and tried to use a 98 cent piece of **** for the intake pipe.
The stove- We had good friends that could never get one to draw, thus i was adamant re: performance as a part of the sale. The brand new stove would not draw. Installer spent many hours w/ draft meters and on the phone w/ the factory. Wanted to cut down large trees, BS. Ended up replacing the stove and the replacement works great. Im convinced this is a direct result of the EPA constraints for controlling the burn, its a bit of science re: the location of the catalyst and air currents.
Ash tray, the older stove has a side slide out tray and its a pretty clean job.
The newer stove makes a mess, pulls out from the front and the floor catches a lot of ash. You'll need a cookie tray under it when cleaning.
The catalyst is located directly on top of the burn box. You can easily break it by hitting it w/ wood or by hitting it from the top when cleaning. Being aware of this I've not had any issue. These stoves are not a source of immediate heat, it takes about an hour to get all that mass up and producing.
Education is everything, hope this has helped.
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I'm going to get lots of nasty replies but Dad (rip) bought a Fisher Momma Bear in early 70s put in dining room. Mom's still living, both have (had) respiratory problems. Neither smoked.
We have a Vermont Castings B vent propane for emergency heat. I'd prefer an outdoor wood burner if I had to have one, but we have three propane furnaces.
Fisher was supposed to be "air tight", but no wood burner is, blowback through vents and when opening door.
I know I'll get bad replies...but it's true.
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No reason for anyone to give bad replies. I imagine as the chimney temp drops and the fire is going out, smoke makes it way out of the stove even if the door and vents are closed. Should be under a vacuum otherwise though.
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In Pa we burn coal in our warm mornings
Mine is for sale if you know anyone interested.
Just ordered the Jotul...
The Warm Morning is a great old stove... would be perfect for a large garage..
it's **** too!!
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Jazz1
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Jotul info...
While talking to a sales guy in NH. He said the Rangeley stove is being discontinued.
for a couple reasons... 1, the F55 Carrabassett is very similar /same size and is out selling it. ( I don't really like it due to the lack of an ash tray and top loader)
2, Jotul is redesigning their 'secondary burn' system.... for more efficiency.
Not sure if this is EPA pressure or company decision. He said it WON'T be a catalytic element... but an improvement on existing design...
anyway, My Rangeley is on order from Gorham Me. gonna be a couple weeks... to arrive in tax free NH.
Can't wait for winter...
did I just say that?
While talking to a sales guy in NH. He said the Rangeley stove is being discontinued.
for a couple reasons... 1, the F55 Carrabassett is very similar /same size and is out selling it. ( I don't really like it due to the lack of an ash tray and top loader)
2, Jotul is redesigning their 'secondary burn' system.... for more efficiency.
Not sure if this is EPA pressure or company decision. He said it WON'T be a catalytic element... but an improvement on existing design...
anyway, My Rangeley is on order from Gorham Me. gonna be a couple weeks... to arrive in tax free NH.
Can't wait for winter...
did I just say that?
welder4956
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Question for you Jotul owners...
Before starting a fire how do you test to make sure you have proper draft?
With my old stove I would just crack the bottom vent and stick a match down there.... to see if the flame got sucked into the stove.
This jotul doesn’t really have an accessible air intake. Or does it?
I almost always have a good draft,
But it’s one of those habits that was drilled into my head as a kid... since we would occasionally have a problem with the draft. And smoking out the house if you didn’t check first.
Then open up a window at the opposite side of the house etc. etc.
Anyway...
I got my jotul Rangeley All hooked up and test fired it this morning
According to jotul
The first fire should reach around 200° then let it cool.
Second fire 300°
Third fire 400°
From there you should be good.
Right now I’m just over 200°
A light haze of smoke in the room from the paint burning off.
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Before starting a fire how do you test to make sure you have proper draft?
With my old stove I would just crack the bottom vent and stick a match down there.... to see if the flame got sucked into the stove.
This jotul doesn’t really have an accessible air intake. Or does it?
I almost always have a good draft,
But it’s one of those habits that was drilled into my head as a kid... since we would occasionally have a problem with the draft. And smoking out the house if you didn’t check first.
Then open up a window at the opposite side of the house etc. etc.
Anyway...
I got my jotul Rangeley All hooked up and test fired it this morning
According to jotul
The first fire should reach around 200° then let it cool.
Second fire 300°
Third fire 400°
From there you should be good.
Right now I’m just over 200°
A light haze of smoke in the room from the paint burning off.
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No sheet metal stoves. Cast only.
My aunt/uncle gave me a defiant, probably 80's vintage and I can confirm it's a lovely stove. It is my primary heat source. North Alabama, 60's house, R12 walls, R19 celings, 1500 sq feet with an equal sized basement. I have the stove in the basement. I can pull a 50 degree temp rise pretty comfortably and a 60 degree if I feed it great wood contentiously. I don't think you want that in a living room though. The air nearby is 80F at a 50 degree temp rise, and over 90 at 60. That is air temp, the thermometer is not in line of sight of the stove. It's hot. I don't want to get near it or even work in the basement at that kind of pull. I'm sure you won't have that problem with a for-looks stove, but it's a big stove and you don't want to run it too cold. I have a 40ft pipe which contributes to the creosote build up significantly, but you will smoke the neighborhood out trying to run it cold without feeding it one stick at a time.
I get about 7 hours before it dies out with a full load, so I can't quite get a great nights sleep without a relight. I would never topload, as I spend a significant amount of time carefully picking out my firewood to stack in there as tight as possible at night. 22" wood is the best length for me. The damper is a bit useless for me, it smokes too much. Good for when the day warms up suddenly.
Sorry for the ramble, that was a bit of stream-of-consciousness writing.
My thermostat is just a spring controlled air plate. Works very well. I trust it, and leave it running 24/7 in the winter time. I don't know if the new ones are improved. I would love the ash pans. I hate having to shut down after two to three days to clean it out. Relighting is my least favorite part of the entire process, so I would love to be able to run for weeks with no shutdowns.
Maybe get an older one? Still ****, not much to break, and there are no cats or anything.
Generally not in my case. I have a lot of static pressure to push due to my extremely long stovepipe, so starting (especially with relatively volatile materials like paper or osasge shavings) generates by far the most smoke. It pours out of every joint. Once it's running, it ***** a considerable amount of air in through every joint. Stoking a pile of ashes can also cause smoke leakage. But it never smokes on coast-down.
My aunt/uncle gave me a defiant, probably 80's vintage and I can confirm it's a lovely stove. It is my primary heat source. North Alabama, 60's house, R12 walls, R19 celings, 1500 sq feet with an equal sized basement. I have the stove in the basement. I can pull a 50 degree temp rise pretty comfortably and a 60 degree if I feed it great wood contentiously. I don't think you want that in a living room though. The air nearby is 80F at a 50 degree temp rise, and over 90 at 60. That is air temp, the thermometer is not in line of sight of the stove. It's hot. I don't want to get near it or even work in the basement at that kind of pull. I'm sure you won't have that problem with a for-looks stove, but it's a big stove and you don't want to run it too cold. I have a 40ft pipe which contributes to the creosote build up significantly, but you will smoke the neighborhood out trying to run it cold without feeding it one stick at a time.
I get about 7 hours before it dies out with a full load, so I can't quite get a great nights sleep without a relight. I would never topload, as I spend a significant amount of time carefully picking out my firewood to stack in there as tight as possible at night. 22" wood is the best length for me. The damper is a bit useless for me, it smokes too much. Good for when the day warms up suddenly.
Sorry for the ramble, that was a bit of stream-of-consciousness writing.
My thermostat is just a spring controlled air plate. Works very well. I trust it, and leave it running 24/7 in the winter time. I don't know if the new ones are improved. I would love the ash pans. I hate having to shut down after two to three days to clean it out. Relighting is my least favorite part of the entire process, so I would love to be able to run for weeks with no shutdowns.
Maybe get an older one? Still ****, not much to break, and there are no cats or anything.
Generally not in my case. I have a lot of static pressure to push due to my extremely long stovepipe, so starting (especially with relatively volatile materials like paper or osasge shavings) generates by far the most smoke. It pours out of every joint. Once it's running, it ***** a considerable amount of air in through every joint. Stoking a pile of ashes can also cause smoke leakage. But it never smokes on coast-down.