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Re: Craftsman returning to US manufacturing

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$90 million isn't much of a plant. Land, Building and Machinery should be multiples of that.

It's just a guess, but it's possible they reclaimed existing tooling.

As well, it's not as if they're building some new idea. The machinery required to forge and finish hand tools is already well understood, and so are the production methods.

They can simply replicate a factory that already exists.
 
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Keep in mind, as long as the price point is decent or slightly more, people will buy them at a big box store. People have no issue buying stuff on plastic and shopping at Lowe's will no different.

Break out the Lowe's card and split up the payment if need be. I'm sure like many others here, whether they admit it or not, I used my Sears card to buy tools that I couldn't outright buy when I was younger and not making much money. Lowe's also has the advantage of offering a 10 percent discount to veterans.

When you start thinking about it, who better to have as a target audience and buyer to help revive an American brand, young veterans across the US. Maybe someone at SBD was thinking ahead when they picked Lowe's as the first big box store to carry SBD/Cman tools made in the USA

Once production is up and running, they can start selling to Menards, who'll offer the occasional 11percent sale to bring the price down,albeit by a rebate....to buy more tools.
 

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Maybe we're seeing the ebb and flow of tool manufacturing bringing production back to the USA.
After World War II, the U.S. took the forefront because all the competition was bombed to rubble. Today the Asian plants are aging, inefficient and manpower intensive. Starting afresh, U.S. companies can exploit digital design, production and quality control technologies in more energy- and resource-efficient plants, which keeps costs down and quality up.
When you say Asian you can skip Japan. They have facilities using AI and other cutting edge technology. They almost have to with a low birth rate and an ageing work force. They are forced to start using more imported labor when they can't automate.

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They made be made here but will they be made from US steel or imported steel?
Some shut down U S steel plants have recently been reactivated with the good economy. Hopefully it will be US steel.

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I wish them the best, but it will take a long time for CM to build back the loyal user base they had 20 years ago. Many have moved on to other brands with more up-to-date designs and features.
Most buyers are not as tool centric as us. Most who moved on went to what was in the local store and readilly available,Husky, Kobalt or HF stuff. In the Midwest I gues it was whatever Menards carried. Even though they are competing for the same market, I am sure most never heard of Tekton. Many have no idea what went on at Sears that resulted in the SB&D deal. Even the people at Lowes don't have a clue. One told me that Lowes bought Sears. SB&D knows marketing so I have stopped trying to second guess them. I first thought that they were crazy to buy Craftsman.

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Ive never seen that abbreviation for Craftsman... Is that how it would appear in the stock market or something?



Usually people just write Cman
Or as in the post above, just CM.

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Re: Craftsman returning to US manufacturing

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Sears dumped their store credit cards about 15 years ago and went to Visa or MasterCard (don't remember which, I cut it up and sent it back)
I had a card from them and found out my address had been changed to an address in a nearby state by identity thieves. We shut it down and they gave me a new card. Shortly after, I was in Sears and asked them to verify the address on my new card and it had been hacked again. I cancelled it on the spot. They had no security. Fortunately, I lost no money. They dug their own hole.

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Keep an eye out for other factories getting closed down, once this new one is up and running. I'm sure there are no massive subsidies and/or tax credits involved and I'm sure these new workers will be compensated just as well if not better than the ones soon to be out of jobs. I mean, Stanley has been an exemplary and patriotic corporate citizen over the past 2 or 3 decades, just like all the largest U.S. corporations. They only have our best interests at heart.

Ummm yeah ok
 

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Some shut down U S steel plants have recently been reactivated with the good economy. Hopefully it will be US steel.

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It would be a plus for our area (Delta,Oh) if they did use domestic steel.We have two plants operating and a third being layed out,maybe we are too far from Tx, but Im not sure thats an issue any more.
 

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I'm interested in seeing the quality and selection. Pretty much have everything they probably will offer. Not sure how well it will sell with established toolbox owners.

If quality is on par with old school craftsman along with the pricing, I'll absolutely support them and start shopping Craftsman. I grew up wrenching with old school Craftsman USA stuff of my dads and grandpas. It all went to china before I had a chance to start building my own collection. So maybe it's due more to nostalgia and sentimental value for me, but I imagine many others would be on board to support the return of Craftsman USA. Would be amazing to see a return of their V series tools.
 

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SBD will not help sears out, the majority of SBD tools there is more then likely old stock.

Stanley was supposed to come up with something like $350 million within 3 years of the close of the Craftsman sale.

The fact remains that SBD products have almost entirely replaced Craftsman products at my outlet store and glance at the outlet store website suggests there's alot of SBD stuff in the outlet store system, for whatever reason.

I have no idea if the SBD stuff is old stock. It looks pretty much like the SBD stuff that Walmart is selling.
 

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Sears is on their own. They can market Craftsman branded merchandise in their few remaining stores and through Sears.com. SB&D has had several run ins with Sears over the deal. I don't see SB&D doing anything to help Sears survive, like supplying Craftsman product. Sears is not a company to extend credit too. They stiffed many in the bankruptcy It is undoubtedly cash up front for whatever they buy in China and India.The whole reason they are still around is so Lampert can milk it for a few more bucks

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Sears approached my company looking to buy like 100 million in batteries. Our finance dept gave them the middle finger, and we already were doing business with them at the time. Pretty sure that led to the demise of the DieHard Platinum line.
 

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Sears approached my company looking to buy like 100 million in batteries. Our finance dept gave them the middle finger, and we already were doing business with them at the time. Pretty sure that led to the demise of the DieHard Platinum line.

The order of which you speak is simply impossible; even under mid or long-term contract.

That means you work for Enersys. I'm surprised the Platinums lasted as long as they did, because that's a lot of money on a shelf for the average Sears service customer.

Typically, they buy from Sears because they were around when Diehard meant something. The crop of people walking through those doors over the past decade or so, though... Hell, it's pretty much the "People of Walmart" crowd.

It made me wonder just who the hell was buying those batteries. I'll be rounding things off, here:

If we figure on 100 million in $300 batteries, that's 333,000 batteries. Given Sears had 3,500 stores at their maximum, that's 95 batteries for each store.

If we assume the batteries were cheaper (of course they were for the purchase, but that's not relevant) you're looking at close to 200 batteries per store, at the peak of Sears retail power, and not every store would be getting them.

If the time period is current, that's over 1,600 batteries per store even at $150 per unit, and damned near a thousand still if they are all $300 Diehard Platinums; and dollars to donuts, no Sears store has ever sold a thousand Odyssey batteries.
 

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I think they should make their USA made line a "pro" line. Like long pattern wrenches, nice sockets, and ratchets. Maybe keep the import line for the lowest-cost crowd and ease into the pro line. Once economy of scale starts working in their favor, start making the most popular items into the pro lineup and reduce the amount they get from overseas. If they go all in they'll starve. if they underwhelm they'll starve. the need to market the hell out of made in America again and prove why that matters. Most of my sockets are all USA craftsman. I have USA made ratchets. I'd love to support USA made tools at somewhere like Lowes for ease of warranty.
 

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I think they should make their USA made line a "pro" line. Like long pattern wrenches, nice sockets, and ratchets. Maybe keep the import line for the lowest-cost crowd and ease into the pro line. Once economy of scale starts working in their favor, start making the most popular items into the pro lineup and reduce the amount they get from overseas. If they go all in they'll starve. if they underwhelm they'll starve. the need to market the hell out of made in America again and prove why that matters. Most of my sockets are all USA craftsman. I have USA made ratchets. I'd love to support USA made tools at somewhere like Lowes for ease of warranty.

I concur.

Bring back Craftsman Industrial branding for the US-made stuff. The rebranding as "Professional" stayed too long during the import era.

So, they'd have Craftsman and Craftsman Industrial. They can be sold in even more stores that way; given many big box hardware stores operate on consignment, in that regard.

Lowes can't keep Craftsman to themselves, but they can certainly sell more Industrial branded products than, say, Walmart.

Amazon needs to be peppered with the things, as well.
 

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I think they should make their USA made line a "pro" line. Like long pattern wrenches, nice sockets, and ratchets. Maybe keep the import line for the lowest-cost crowd and ease into the pro line. Once economy of scale starts working in their favor, start making the most popular items into the pro lineup and reduce the amount they get from overseas. If they go all in they'll starve. if they underwhelm they'll starve. the need to market the hell out of made in America again and prove why that matters. Most of my sockets are all USA craftsman. I have USA made ratchets. I'd love to support USA made tools at somewhere like Lowes for ease of warranty.

For majority of tool buyers, quality/price is the deciding factor. I doubt "made in USA" is the magic to revive Craftsman.

Not sure if you guys have Menards in TN. Not long ago, Menards has a full line of Made in USA tools (MasterForce), pretty much like the old Craftsman. Those are gathering dust (literally) on the shelves.

SBD has to do more than just "made in USA".
 

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The order of which you speak is simply impossible; even under mid or long-term contract.

That means you work for Enersys. I'm surprised the Platinums lasted as long as they did, because that's a lot of money on a shelf for the average Sears service customer.

Typically, they buy from Sears because they were around when Diehard meant something. The crop of people walking through those doors over the past decade or so, though... Hell, it's pretty much the "People of Walmart" crowd.

It made me wonder just who the hell was buying those batteries. I'll be rounding things off, here:

If we figure on 100 million in $300 batteries, that's 333,000 batteries. Given Sears had 3,500 stores at their maximum, that's 95 batteries for each store.

If we assume the batteries were cheaper (of course they were for the purchase, but that's not relevant) you're looking at close to 200 batteries per store, at the peak of Sears retail power, and not every store would be getting them.

If the time period is current, that's over 1,600 batteries per store even at $150 per unit, and damned near a thousand still if they are all $300 Diehard Platinums; and dollars to donuts, no Sears store has ever sold a thousand Odyssey batteries.

No more likely than SBD can build a new plant with receiving, cutting, swaging, forging, machining, heat treating, chrome plating, polishing, packaging, warehousing and shipping capability for $90Million.
 
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For majority of tool buyers, quality/price is the deciding factor. I doubt "made in USA" is the magic to revive Craftsman.

Not sure if you guys have Menards in TN. Not long ago, Menards has a full line of Made in USA tools (MasterForce), pretty much like the old Craftsman. Those are gathering dust (literally) on the shelves.

SBD has to do more than just "made in USA".

I wish we had Menards! Unfortunately not. you're right that simply made in 'merica marketing won't do it, but marketing helps. Right now you don't see any tools being marketed on TV. I see Gearwrench all the time on social media, and they stay in my mind for consideration. That's why I think they should keep a cheaper line, and then a pro/industrial line that can't exceed SK Pricing and make it available at Lowes. Part of the issue with Craftsman professional was that there wasn't a lot of it available at sears, at least not around here. I usually buy New SK, and sometimes Snap-On, or used Proto. If I could get that kind of quality at Lowes, and they'd rotate in some new stuff from time to time for a seasonal promotion I know I'd be interested
 

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No more likely than SBD can build a new plant with receiving, cutting, swaging, forging, machining, heat treating, chrome plating, polishing, packaging, warehousing and shipping capability for $90Million.

They're investing 90 million; not building a 90 million dollar plant. There's no telling how much the place actually costs, given the fact that they're pushing for I4 recognition.
 
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Not sure if you guys have Menards in TN. Not long ago, Menards has a full line of Made in USA tools (MasterForce), pretty much like the old Craftsman. Those are gathering dust (literally) on the shelves.

Menards has not had a full line of USA tools for a few years. The inventory started dwindling not long after the Armstrong plant closed. Masterforce and Gearwrench sockets were mixed together as the USA Masterforce stuff sold out.

A while back Menards finally gave up on USA Masterforce completely. All of the USA Masterforce and most of the Gearwrench was moved to clearance and replaced with Chinese Masterforce. I have seen USA Masterforce stuff still on clearance racks in the past few weeks.
 

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They need to bring Bob Vila out of the woodwork!
"And because it's a Craftsman hand tool, Made In America, It's guaranteed forever"
 
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If this goes through, will this be the first time Craftsman actually made tools, vs contracting manufacture to a third party?

Stanley, who owns Craftsman, has been making various Craftsman tools since they purchased the brand. I am sure this new place will be no different in that it is a Stanley plant making tools for more than just their Craftsman brand.
 

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I wish we had Menards! Unfortunately not. you're right that simply made in 'merica marketing won't do it, but marketing helps. Right now you don't see any tools being marketed on TV. I see Gearwrench all the time on social media, and they stay in my mind for consideration. That's why I think they should keep a cheaper line, and then a pro/industrial line that can't exceed SK Pricing and make it available at Lowes. Part of the issue with Craftsman professional was that there wasn't a lot of it available at sears, at least not around here. I usually buy New SK, and sometimes Snap-On, or used Proto. If I could get that kind of quality at Lowes, and they'd rotate in some new stuff from time to time for a seasonal promotion I know I'd be interested
The reason pro tools are not on store shelves is simple. Too expensive, takes up shelf space and doesn't move. With the exception of tool stores that market to pros, there are not enough buyers for any individual brick and mortar store. Online shopping is the only workable solution. The customer base is the whole country. A lot of places, online, don't even keep stock but order when they get an order or have the manufacturer ship to you.

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Home depot has stepped up their game in the online site-to-store realm. If Lowes did the same maybe craftsman pro wouldn't have to be stocked, just available for site-to-store. I don't know man, you're right about the more expensive tools not selling, which is a shame, but it's just so dang hard to get good tools sometimes. hell, I've been trying to find a Snap -On guy for a few months now. Cash in hand for a new flex head dual 80 lol. I know I can order from the So site, but I want to get in on the BOGO deals. that is part of the reason I really want to see the craftsman pro stuff in stores at some level, hopefully sales and that they'd rotate in some new stuff for seasonal promotions.
 

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I4 recognition?

They want to be seen has having integrated Industry 4.0 technologies into that plant. Whether or not they can make the most of that is up in the air, but it's not as if it's a "real" standard.

They can use what's useful, but they're going to push to look as modern as possible.
 

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Menards has not had a full line of USA tools for a few years. The inventory started dwindling not long after the Armstrong plant closed. Masterforce and Gearwrench sockets were mixed together as the USA Masterforce stuff sold out.

A while back Menards finally gave up on USA Masterforce completely. All of the USA Masterforce and most of the Gearwrench was moved to clearance and replaced with Chinese Masterforce. I have seen USA Masterforce stuff still on clearance racks in the past few weeks.

except for screwdrivers, still made by ideal pratt/reed
and whaddya see on the closeout?
i could use a few fill in on my racks. :beer:
and, it would be really nice, if sbd returned porter cable to the fore front of electric power tools
 

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I just can't get excited about a new US based Craftsman plant. They might make some nice US made tools, they might not. :dunno:
I'm still disappointed in SK. They expanded their facility, and what did we get? drop in ratchet cartridges. :wtf:
I wish both SK and Craftsman well but since I have more tools than i will ever use in my lifetime, i'm just not excited about a new plant. I think i would more excited about the Armstrong plant reopening along with all of the brands they used to make being brought back to life but sadly, that's not going to happen as that ship has sailed so to speak. :beer:
 

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I haven’t seen any more news about this since the plans were announced in May. Has anyone else seen any news about whether or not they followed through and broke ground this summer?
 

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I haven’t seen any more news about this since the plans were announced in May. Has anyone else seen any news about whether or not they followed through and broke ground this summer?

Yea, they broke ground about 3 days ago.
 

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Unfortunately, this new plant will be "using globally sourced components".

That means the Craftsman tools will not qualify to use "Made in USA". They will probably be the same as what has already shown up at Lowe's: "Made in the USA with global materials".
 
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Unfortunately, this new plant will be "using globally sourced components".

That means the Craftsman tools will not qualify to use "Made in USA". They will probably be the same as what has already shown up at Lowe's: "Made in the USA with global materials".
Where did you get this info. They investing alot of money into forge and pressing tools from all I have read for that to make any sense
 
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