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Blue, white, black, LXT, CXT, what is the difference.

For instance, there's a 12V blue mini circular saw and a 12V white mini circular saw. What's the difference?

I also see some all black tools, but can't seem to find any common denominator, such as all black tools are brushless, etc. I'm usually pretty good at picking that stuff out, but they don't make it easy and it's just as confusing at HD. EDIT - I figured this one out. Black is subcompact!!!
 
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The white cases don't mean anything. You can get the same tools in teal.

Edit: Unless they're the 12V Max line that uses the stick batteries. Those only come in white and I think they're being displaced by the CXT tools.

LXT is 18V.
CXT is 12V.
 
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The white cases don't mean anything. You can get the same tools in teal.

Edit: Unless they're the 12V Max line that uses the stick batteries. Those only come in white and I think they're being displaced by the CXT tools.

LXT is 18V.
CXT is 12V.

Ah! So this is key information and I didn't notice it. The whites have stick batteries and that's one thing I like about the M12 line. But it sounds like Makita is dumping it. I'll have to handle their 12V line again. The M12 is a tad thick, due to the stick battery. Decisions, decisions.
 

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The Makita line(s) are extremely confusing. One good tip I picked up is to use the Makita Canada site when trying to compare models because it's laid out more clearly.
 

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For the 12V, white is the old line with stick batteries. Teal is the new line with slide on batteries (therefore slimmer handles). For 18V Black is subcompact. White is more of an entry line. Teal is the main line of tools.
 

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The latest sub-compact 18V drill is quite impressive for how light it is. I drilled a 1" hole through 3/16" steel plate with mine and no battery issues. The standard full size hammer drill is nearly overkill for a homeowner but is a good starting point and affordable. I would look for a special on a multiple tool kit with 2 batteries if I had to do it all over again.

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Blue, white, black, LXT, CXT, what is the difference.

For instance, there's a 12V blue mini circular saw and a 12V white mini circular saw. What's the difference?

I also see some all black tools, but can't seem to find any common denominator, such as all black tools are brushless, etc. I'm usually pretty good at picking that stuff out, but they don't make it easy and it's just as confusing at HD. EDIT - I figured this one out. Black is subcompact!!!

What tools are you looking at specifically? I'll say this much; if you're looking for straight power, Milwaukee has Makita beat in most areas. However, if ergonomics, and size matter, Makita has some good options.
 

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Just move to the Joizzzy shore and make sure you have a good life insurance policy. DeWalt sells some decent kits if you need a twisterrator or grinder to remove graffiti.
 

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Makita model numbers are pretty confusing, especially since they offer more variety than anyone else. Lots more Milwaukee problems posted on this site than Makita, just sayin.

Near as I've been able to figure out:
white = low-end homeowner line (haven't seen many of these lately)
black or teal = sub-compact and compact line often sold in big-box stores
teal good = low-end often sold in big-box stores and kits
teal better = 18V mid-range models often sold online and in contractor stores
teal best = high end models (18V and 2x18V) often sold online and in contractor stores. Usually have metal gearboxes.

I try to buy the higher-end models since I want them to last for decades.
 

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I found out recently from a dealer when I purchased a kit (tool and battery). I asked about the model numbers being different. He told me the tools are the same; confusing model numbers are because of which battery is included (3.0Ah, 4.0Ah, etc.)
 
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Blue, white, black, LXT, CXT, what is the difference.

For instance, there's a 12V blue mini circular saw and a 12V white mini circular saw. What's the difference?

I also see some all black tools, but can't seem to find any common denominator, such as all black tools are brushless, etc. I'm usually pretty good at picking that stuff out, but they don't make it easy and it's just as confusing at HD. EDIT - I figured this one out. Black is subcompact!!!


In Japan, Makita tools are offered in several different colors, by customer choice, and the color is not indexed to "high end" or "low end" or "compact" or "sub compact" or "homeowner" or "professional". You can get professional class Makita tools in teal, burgandy, black, white, pink (yes pink), gold, lime green (like Ryobi), and yes, even red (that say Makita on them).

I have a 40 year old Makita drill that is red, by the way.

In the USA, the colors have some significance, but I still wouldn't rely on color too much.

For example, in the USA, black signifies "sub compact", which, supported by Makita's marketing literature, implies that any black tool in Makita's sub compact line is the smallest version of that tool that Makita makes. Not true.

The black sub compact 1/4" impact driver at one time several years ago used to be one of the smallest impact drivers that Makita made, but since that time, Makita has introduced two generations of high end, top of the line, full power, highest torque impact drivers that are teal, and are both significantly smaller than the sub compact version. I am referring specifically to the XDT12Z, and it's replacement, the XDT16Z. Both of these models are way smaller than, and way more powerful than, Makita's sub compact.

So there is no way around it. One needs to visit a Makita website and dig in to learn about their tools. I too find Makita USA's website cumbersome to get an understanding of the tools, because the layout is too flashy and glitzy and difficult to control as a user.

For native English speakers, I find Makita Australia, Makita New Zealand, Makita in the UK, and Makita Canada... all to be better website layouts that are simpler and less glitzy and movy, and permit a more helicopter view of the products offered, so as to compare and contrast evolutionary differennces between tool models.

Granted, one has to convert units of measurements, as well as translate tool model numbers, to their counterparts in 'Muricaspeak, but the coginitive exercise of the conversion and the model number translation actually helps with the learning process of understanding the model differences, and improves memory when it comes time to shopping price.

Some tool Kit model numbers may be based on the amp hours of the batteries included, but the numerology of individual bare tools remains distinguishable and unique, regardless of any appending letters at the end of kit part numbers, the last letter of which can denote battery size. Since Makita has been consistent using the suffix "Z" for bare tool, it is easier to learn about and compare tool models as bare tools first, without getting distracted by kits.

There is a logic to Makita's part number system in cordless. As previously stated, LXT is 18 volt lithium ion, while CXT is 12 volt. I went with the LXT line, as it includes both 18v as well as 18v/x2 for 36v, with over 200 different tool solutions. The first letter of an LXT tool typically, and very consistently, begins with X.

In the examples above, I mentioned the XDT12z, and the XDT16X. Both model numbers begin with X, and both are LXT tools running 18V batteries. This can be extrapolated across Makita's entire 18v/36v line of LXT tools. They all begin with X.

CXT 12v tools, on the other hand, are not quite as consistent. Some models begin with C, but other models begin with F, and still others with M, and yet others with W, and a few with F. Makita continues to introduce new tools to the CXT lineup, but clearly, Makita's flagship cordless system is focused on the 18v LXT line.

The next two characters in Makita's LXT line of tool model numbers typically denotes the type of tool it is. In our example above, the "DT" denotes that the tool is and impact driver. Makita has many. They are differentiated by included features and price point, as well as design evolution, but they all start with X, to indicate 18v lithium ion, and in the case of impact drivers, will next say DT. There is XDT11, XDT12, XDT13, XDT14, XDT16... all are 1/4" impact drivers.

And that leads to the third section of a Makita model number... the number itself. The ongoing impact driver example we are discussing has 11, 12, 13, 14, and 16 versions all available for sale in the United States concurrently. One is an oil actuated impact, for noise reduction, and the others are simply newer and newer models of the same basic tool. And here it is important to understand that the higher number doesn't necessarily mean the better the tool.

The impact driver line up offers the perfect example to illustrate this seemingly contradictory conclusion, because in this case, 16 is both the highest number, and the most recently introduced version. And, it is also the very best iteration of a 1/4" impact driver that Makita has ever produced in the company's history. It could be argued that the XDT16 is better than any battery powered 1/4" impact driver available in North America, including the slightly more powerful, but less refined Milwaukee 3rd Gen.

So does that mean that the XDT14 model is Makita's second best? No. Not by a long shot. Actually, the second best 1/4" impact driver in Makita's line up is the XDT12, which is two model numbers "down" from the XDT16. This is simply because the lesser featured XDT13 and XDT14 were introduced after the XDT12. Therefore, one cannot simply assume that the higher model number means a higher line or a better product.

However, the catch 22 is that Makita is always improving their products, so chances are, the higher number may very well be a higher product that has improved over the previous generation. Just like the later model full size Teal colored impact drivers evolved to become smaller than even the "sub compact" version that was released several years previous. This is also illustrated in the 16 being better than the 12.

Makita lost me as a customer for 15-20 years because I couldn't keep up with all the different battery platforms and model numbers once Makita moved away from 9.6V NicD and branched into 12v stick, then 12v brick, then 9.6v stick-brick hybrid, then NiMH, then 14.4v etc. I just shied away from Makita's battery powered offerings because I didn't know when or where to jump in. I didn't know which platform would last, like the venerable 9.6v stick battery did (for more than 30 years).

But recently, I noticed a certain stasis in Makita's 18V lithium ion line up... and a level of commitment to the platform that has brought about the largest selection of tools on one battery platform, throughout the world, than any other tool brand that I can think of.

So I bit the bullet and returned to Makita, and now regret that I didn't do it sooner. It may be confusing at first glance, but it is worth taking some time to read the various Makita websites from the countries previously suggested... because the pay off from understanding and adopting the system is gaining access to a comprehensive collection of uniquely executed professional and industrial class tools.

I was in your exact shoes not long ago. But then I took a step forward. Then another step, and another. Before I knew it, I was walking without effort. It didn't take long.
 
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The best ones are red and say Milwaukee.

You would be wrong about that. I think Makita is every bit as good -as Milwaukee across the product line, with a couple of tradeoffs.

I like Milwaukee's LED lighting better than Makita's for example, but I really, really like the Makita 18v x 2 line - I've got three of those tools now and they are all winners.
 

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As others mentioned:

LXT = 18v
LXT X2 = 36v (uses 18v batteries)
CXT = 12v

Black = 18v sub compact
White/Teal = Doesn't really mean anything anymore.

In the past, the white tools were supposed to be their compact stuff. But as the mainline tools became more compact and more powerful, the white stuff became sorta redundant.
 

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I'm sure they're fine tools, but if I need a thousand word cheat sheet to understand their model numbers that's a big deterrent for me.

Why does it need to be so complicated and have so many slight variations on the same tool?
 

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You would be wrong about that. I think Makita is every bit as good -as Milwaukee across the product line, with a couple of tradeoffs.

I like Milwaukee's LED lighting better than Makita's for example, but I really, really like the Makita 18v x 2 line - I've got three of those tools now and they are all winners.

Agreed, I dumped Milwaukee last year in favor of Makita. Loving the 18v sub compact tools quite a bit.
 

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I'm sure they're fine tools, but if I need a thousand word cheat sheet to understand their model numbers that's a big deterrent for me.

Why does it need to be so complicated and have so many slight variations on the same tool?

You're going to have a hard time buying tools if you wait around for a brand with intuitive model numbers.

Makita has an easy-to-use website with detailed specs for all their tools.
 
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You're going to have a hard time buying tools if you wait around for a brand with intuitive model numbers.

Makita has an easy-to-use website with detailed specs for all their tools.

That has not been my experience. Yes, there are detailed specs. However, when you filter, there is carryover from 12V to 18V, etc. Their filter is not working as it should. I'm no expert, but have assisted in developing intranets and a customer facing portal. IMO, it's not even as good as some retailers.

Don't believe me: Go to cordless, check 12V, check LXT Brushless, check circular saws. You will see twelve results: some 12V, some 18V, some CXT, some LXT. Among various issues with that, it makes it appear that the 12V 3 3/8" circular saw is brushless. So now the user has to sort out, what the website was supposed to have already sorted, then pay a premium when the choose to purchase it. By first selecting 12V, all subsequent results should be 12V.

I don't mean to pick on Makita, but I'm getting tired of having to conduct all the research to prevent from making a purchase, then having to return it because it wasn't what I expected. Makita makes the effort to have a better site, but it's not working as I would expect.
 

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The Makita Canada site is quite fast and simple to use. I usually pick up a Makita full line printed catalog at the local lumber yard. Older example in the picture.

Also Makita has brochures on just about every product they make, available online or from tool stores.
 

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The Makita Canada site is quite fast and simple to use. I usually pick up a Makita full line printed catalog at the local lumber yard. Older example in the picture.

Also Makita has brochures on just about every product they make, available online or from tool stores.

Brochures might be the way to go. I'm not trying to be a pain here, just looking for an At-a-glance chart. I realize others might not have it either, but when I select 18V, Brushless looking for circular saws and have to page through Hi-Viz Safety Jackets, it's kind of a pain.
 

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I'm sure they're fine tools, but if I need a thousand word cheat sheet to understand their model numbers that's a big deterrent for me.

Why does it need to be so complicated and have so many slight variations on the same tool?


It takes me a thousand words just to say hello. Don't judge Makita by my posts.

Mentally picture that meme where the bearded fellow with the Dos Equis ** on the table says...

"I don't post very often... but when I do... it's a thousand words"


So why does Makita have so many variations on the same tool?

Because people don't want to pay for all the features that Makita innovates.

Take Auto Wireless Start, for example. AWS is a radio transmitter system that automatically turns on AWS enabled dust collection systems when the trigger to an AWS equipped cordless battery operated tool is depressed, and automatically shuts the dust collection system off when the trigger to the tool is released. Super cool. It keeps the cordless tools cordless, and the dust collection automatic and seamless.

There are two different versions of at least a dozen otherwise dead on IDENTICAL tools, feature for feature, watt for watt, grip for grip, torque for torque... absolutely identical... but for one version has AWS, and the other does not. Example the XSH06 is blade right without AWS, and the XSH07 is every bit of XSH06, but with AWS.

Then there are other differentiating factors, such as operator preference. Some folks like blade right circular saws (traditionally east coasters), while other folks prefer blade left circular saws (traditionally west coasters). Makita doesn't discriminate, but instead makes a version of the same saw to satisfy both markets.

Layered on top of that is product improvement, where the initial 18V blade right 7-1/4" circular saw was the XSH01, and after that saw was put though the paces in the field for a few years, Makita made ergonomic and efficiency improvements, the most significant of which was changing to a Brushless motor, releasing the XSH06. Then the identical XSH07 with AWS was released about a year ago.

And then, just about a month ago, Makita released the XSH08, which puts a different foot plate on the brushless blade right 7-1/4" circular saw that enables it to engage into the same track that the plunge cut 6-1/2" circular saw is guided by, but with the blade depth of cut and multi functionality of a dual purpose hand held blade right circular saw, that can function both within, and outside of the track.

Would you prefer that Makita not invent this feature, just to keep the number of SKU's down to an amount that the mind can manage keeping track of?

Or would you prefer that Makita continue to innovate improvements to tools, as well as match the improvements that competing brands create to lure customers over to their battery systems?

Then, there are still the rest of the blade right circular saws, needed to match the purpose (metal cutting, for example, with hot spark rated chip collection) or the blade size inventory (6-1/2", 5-7/8", 5-3/8", 3-3/8", 10", 16", etc) that the tool buyer is accustomed to using, or needs to have for the depth of material being cut.

Then, there are OSHA regulations that continue to evolve, the most notable recently being cement and silica dust recapture, the implementation of which motivated new designs of circular saw shrouds with dust collection ports, and more extensive coverings to meet the minimum dust recapture requirements.

And then... we have blade LEFT again. There are some that prefer the Skilsaw style handling of the worm drive saw, so Makita made a version of circular saw that mimics the worm drive, without the fundamental problem of real worm drive saws, which is the axis of electric motor rotation on a worm drive being inline with the rotational axis of the human wrist holding the saw.

This alignment of rotational axises causes the worm drive saw to jerk when the trigger is pulled due to the near instantaneous torque rise of the typical 13 to 15 amp 120v motor. The human wrist can't resist the instant twist.

So Makita doesn't do this with their rear handle saw. Makita mounts the motor perpendicular to the wrist axis, and parallel with the blade's axis of rotation. This does two things... first, it doesn't twist the wrist, and second, it doesn't lose power efficiency through a worm, or hypoid gear transmission that would otherwise be needed to convert motor rotation to blade rotation.

Yet the balance, heft, narrowness along the cutting line, blade position, handle positions, and overall feel of the Makita's rear handle saw (XSR01) is nearly identical to that of a SkilSaw worm drive Model 77, without the wrist jerk on start up, and, with the added safety of a blade brake.

Would you rather Makita not have invented this evolutionary saw, just because Makita already had a bunch of 7-1/4" circular saws that can cut the same materials?

I've probably hit a thousand words by now, but just to make certain, let's take angle grinders as another example.

Some users prefer paddle switches, so if the grinder gets wrenched out of the hand, the tools trigger switch is let go of. Others prefer slide switches, so that their hands don't get fatigued, or because they can't fit their hand around the grip as it is.

Then there are company requirements in the workplace. Some companies require that there be no ability for the angle grinder to be "locked on"... the switch must be humanly engaged at all times. Some require that switches be of a design that requires two steps to engage the switch, to avoid inadvertent engagements... this is otherwise known as "locked off".

As such, there is a model of Makita 18V cordless grinder that has multiple iterations, paddle switch, slide switch, lock on, lock off, AWS, non AWS, 4.5", 5"... and this is all with the same cordless, brushless model of grinder. We haven't even discussed the non brushless models, the 12V CXT models, the dual battery 36v models, never mind the corded models of grinders that run on AC as well as DC so as to be connected directly to a welding power supply, not to mention the 7", and 9" models, the tuck point models with OSHA approved silica dust collection... etc etc.

So if you want simple, buy Porter Cable's 20v line. They have only one grinder. That's it. Just one. No choices. And the total tool count in their entire portfolio of tools that can run on the two sizes of Porter Cable 20v batteries amounts to a grand total of 12 different tools, 2 little lights, 1 radio, and a speaker. That's it. The entire line up.

On the other hand, in addition to the 225+ products that Makita makes to fit their 18 volt LXT lithium ion batteries, there are also other professional tool manufacturers, such as Greenlee, Klauke, and the older professional grade Ridgid (not the TTI stuff or the newest Ridgid) which all use the Makita 18V LXT battery platform, which expands the versatility and usability of the LXT battery platform investment by an order of magnitude over tool brands with a simpler to understand portfolio of tools.

Pretty sure that's a thousand words.

They say a picture is worth a more, but I couldn't find the picture that shows all of the Makita tools in one large group photo.

See, that just goes to show how messed up the Makita USA website is.
 
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I like the fact that Makita has several version of angle grinders. I was able to pick the features that were important to me: paddle switch and variable speed.
 

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Basically Makita is continuously changing and improving products. This in itself isn't a problem, as they produce and support every single model they make for a long time. However they don't have an easy way to sort through and see the changes of their various tool models.
 
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