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I love the feeling that I'm spying on this top secret bike that shooting through the grass gives, especially the first wheelieing one!

Reminds me of seeing digi-camo cars testing over the Sitgreaves Pass on Route 66

When we were approached to shoot this several months ago our pitch was to shoot the whole thing in a way that mimicked the "spy" photos. We thought it would be fun to actually shoot it and then just keep leaking images out that kept the key details. Didn't go that way obviously but we a lot of our shots were done through grass or partly obscured in case.

One of the more fun things was seeing the bike so much in advance but only through a FaceTime call to protect the secrecy. We also had the other test mule which had a lot of very interesting prototype parts but was in a black pattern camo.

question, was Carlin the rider for that shot?

Yes, Carlin was on the V4 and Codie was on the Multi. I've shot with them before so it was fun to spend the weekend with them. Our shoot was also the last test so they actually put in some quick runs and ran warmers all day.

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Carlin is the king of cool. He moves methodically, talks thoughtfully and reminds me of Nemo from the Matrix - calm, collected and in full control. I wish I could share more but I'm only able to share what's been approved and is already out.

There's going to be a serious line up a of bikes this year. I have no doubt the motorcycle course record will fall barring any sort of weather issue. I'm hoping that I can get out there to watch.

Gregor
 
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We have a couple Multistrada's coming along on our trip to the Adirondacks this September. A 9 day escape south of the boarder. I enjoyed the last trip so much I'm doing it again with a bunch of friends this time. Some island hopping along the coast to riding in the clouds.
 

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When we were approached to shoot this several months ago our pitch was to shoot the whole thing in a way that mimicked the "spy" photos. We thought it would be fun to actually shoot it and then just keep leaking images out that kept the key details. Didn't go that way obviously but we a lot of our shots were done through grass or partly obscured in case.

One of the more fun things was seeing the bike so much in advance but only through a FaceTime call to protect the secrecy. We also had the other test mule which had a lot of very interesting prototype parts but was in a black pattern camo.



Yes, Carlin was on the V4 and Codie was on the Multi. I've shot with them before so it was fun to spend the weekend with them. Our shoot was also the last test so they actually put in some quick runs and ran warmers all day.

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Carlin is the king of cool. He moves methodically, talks thoughtfully and reminds me of Nemo from the Matrix - calm, collected and in full control. I wish I could share more but I'm only able to share what's been approved and is already out.

There's going to be a serious line up a of bikes this year. I have no doubt the motorcycle course record will fall barring any sort of weather issue. I'm hoping that I can get out there to watch.

Gregor

yea, hes a cool kid. have known him for almost 20 years now. Hes a nut on a mt bike too lol.
I know he was up testing as pikes peak is soon. Hoping he can best himself again.
 

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Gregor, I can honestly say that your shots have allready sold 2 bikes (1 one of them pending final spec and prices, the other one is a deal no matter what) :D

Was fun seeing those shots going all over my social timelines. Instagram and Facebook were all buzzing with excitement. I can't wait to ride it. Sadly budget wise I have to stick with my '14 SF848...
 

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Gregor, Busy as you are, I'm sure the vacation/travel with the kids is going to start soon, if it hasn't already. Like you, I enjoy listening to podcasts whenever possible. I've been listening to some that I thought you and the kids could listen to and enjoy.
-13 Minutes to the Moon - The BBC's history of the Moon Landings.
-50 Things That Made the Modern Economy - Another interesting BBC offering.
-AirSpace - The National Air and Space podcast about all things aviation and space.
-The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe - what I call the updated Paul Harvey....Mike Rowe does a fantastic job telling true stories.
-Radiolab Presents: More Perfect - A series about the Supreme Court.

I listen to many others, but these are more or less G and sometimes PG rated.

Hope you find a few of these interesting and entertaining. Have a great vacation season!
 

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Gregor, my friends down at PP just told me of the news. My sincerest condolences for the loss of your friend.
 
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I was on a job today with no cell service and Ben only just now told me. I’m still in shock really.

But thanks. I’m going to need time to process this...

Gregor
 

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Got the email from pikes and quickly thought of you. I briefly met Carlin when I did pikes a few years back. He was an inspiration. The cycling community lost a legend.
 

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My condolences Gregor. It's sad to see someone leave us so young. Watching a bunch of youtube video's on Carlin this morning, it is certain that he truly lived while he was among us.
 

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Condolences. Saw the news, didn't actually know the name, but recognized the bike and put two and two together. Sorry to hear it.
 

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hey @sakurama can we use that photo of him? they are putting together a photo display at his memorial tomorrow. we are also doing a ride to the clouds on sunday that would love to have some more pics. we are collecting any pics that we can.
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hey @sakurama can we use that photo of him? they are putting together a photo display at his memorial tomorrow. we are also doing a ride to the clouds on sunday that would love to have some more pics. we are collecting any pics that we can.
Thanks

Just sent you a PM. I'm happy to send you what I have (which is a fair amount) so just send me your email and I'll get those on the way to you.

Gregor
 
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So the past month has been a bit brutal on a few fronts and I haven't posted in a while for a few reasons. None all that good.

Partly it's been due to work - I'd been super busy wrapping up the Ducati project and trying to get ready for our annual East/West Oregon Moto Tour. It was down to the wire and I hadn't had time to prepare like I normally would so I was stressed about that.

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My friend Gino and Jamie cancelled at the last minute but my friend Tom came through. My friends tend to be a group of very smart and oddly eccentric people which I adore. I like getting different groups together and introducing new people. We had dinner on Saturday night and then set off on Sunday to eastern Oregon.

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We had a pretty amazing first day with a mix of mostly paved and some dirt roads and ended up camping at the Painted Hills. The first night is the chance for everyone to start to get to know each other and it was shaping up to be a great trip.

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We started day two with breakfast in Mitchell, OR and gassing up for a day of all dirt on the Oregon Backcountry Discovery Route (OBCDR). With a large group of various skills we picked up the technique Jimmy Lewis uses of posting a rider at a turn and they wait until the sweep rider flags them on. They can then haul *** to the front and post again. It really allowed us to keep the group moving and at a good pace too.

My bike had been running rich but I'd adjusted the needles and it was running much better. I felt really comfortable on it and was riding a pretty quick pace up front. We came to a series of water bars, essentially cuts across the road, that made for great jumps and each one I hit a bit faster and jumped a bit farther.

Until the last one. The last one was a bit bigger and when I landed the suspension bottomed pretty hard. And then it didn't rebound. I was very confused as to why it wasn't rebounding but those thoughts were soon replaced with the back end locking up and sliding around. I still had no idea what was happening.

I tried to ride the bike even as it was sliding out - a habit I had in road racing - and my knee hit the deck pretty hard. At that point I accepted that I was falling and jumped over the bike and ran it out. I don't think my jacket or helmet touched the ground.

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I had sheered the lower shock mount off the swingarm. The part I had modified and moved. It was a great big slap of reality and really disappointing.

I quickly took an account of myself and nothing was broken, torn or twisted. My knee was a little sore but I could walk fine. After a bit the crew showed up and that set in motion what turned out to be a 10 hour extraction. As I waited my knee swelled up to the size of a cantelope.

I was as equally gutted about my bike failing as I was about missing my once yearly ride with these guys. I'm now two for two on this bike failing on this ride. Depressing.

This is a week after:

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My sister the hero had just gotten off her plane from Colorado and drove the van up to get me. We put the bike on the lift and my leg on a chair with a bag of ice and that was my vacation. The crew kept the trip going and by all accounts I missed a really great ride.

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My first thought was that I would make an entirely new swingarm from tube like I had been planning to for years. My last sketches of it were in Feb of 2016. My friend Scott Kolb beat me to it and did an amazing job - look him up on IG @kolb_racing to see his version.

But with a few weeks of contemplation I'm not convinced my mod was a failure. What happened was that I bottomed the suspension - something that really shouldn't happen. When I moved the pivot point in I increased the leverage on the shock but I didn't change anything (spring rate, damping) because the shock had been too stiff so I wanted to see if this balanced out. I should have taken the bike in to a suspension shop and had them run numbers on it and get a new, progressive spring put in.

Bottoming the suspension means all the remaining force is fed into the hard parts and the pivot was the weakest link. Most of what failed is the stock casting. I think it can be repaired and then braced and this time I'll have the whole thing heat treated so the welding stresses are dissipated. Then I'll have a shop make me a new rear shock that is correct for the geometry. And then I'll test it all over again.

But I'd be lying if I didn't admit that Carlin and my crash haven't been sort of wound up with each other. Making me wonder if I have any business doing this. No, they're not related. My accident was probably asked for and I got off lightly, Carlin didn't take chances and a mistake took him out.

It's really heavy stuff to contemplate so that's what I've been doing for the last few weeks.

Gregor
 
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Glad you're doing ok Gregor. Sometimes (being forced to) taking things a bit more easy is not a bad thing. It gives you time to get stuff back in line.

The way your knee looks, reminds me of my lower leg after an off. Nothing broken, but severely bruised. I had a bike land on top of it after I panic braked on a non ABS bike.
 

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Hope the healing is gentle for you Gregor. I saw the news about Carlin on a different channel and immediately thought of you. My deepest condolences.
 

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Gregor,
Sometimes situations and events pop up that begin to dig at your foundation. Stuff that you're normally confident of because it's buried deep down and protected. The very tenets of who you are. And then you begin to doubt yourself.
DONT.
It sounds like that stupid cliché sports thing, but "you ARE who you think you are."
What you do and what you are capable of doing, build wise and ride wise is a direct extension of who you are.

Where you've been.

What you've done.

You are the fine, distilled product of a long process.
Don't let a mistake or two call into question who you are.

Reading your last post reminded me a lot of Pirsig's "Zen and the art..."
Pirsigs madness aside, you are that.
Zen
And motorcycle maintenance.
 

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I spot John Roderick in the lineup there. How'd you two meet? The Long Winters are one of my favorite bands, and John's an awesome storyteller. His podcasts are great and he seems like an endless source of trivia and knowledge.

Seems like the perfect person to go on a road trip with.
 

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I spot John Roderick in the lineup there. How'd you two meet? The Long Winters are one of my favorite bands, and John's an awesome storyteller. His podcasts are great and he seems like an endless source of trivia and knowledge.

Seems like the perfect person to go on a road trip with.

John has been a friend of mine for awhile & a couple of years ago I started leaning on him to come with us on one of these dual sport rides. Last year he finally took me up on it so I set him up with one of my bikes & some gear. This was his second year out with us, so I guess that makes it a tradition. He was pretty new to riding off road but was game & enthusiastic- he seems pretty comfortable handling a big bike off road now.

He's definitely fun to have on a trip.
 

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It's likely that the temper on your aluminium swingarm was changed when it was welded. In the bicycle world any aluminium that gets welded gets a post weld heat treatment to return the temper to it's original state.

I vote new tubular steel swingarm. As long as your welds are good you won't have to worry about heat treat issues. Use aircraft grade 4130 from Wicks or Aircraft Spruce.
 

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I'd point the finger on the swingarm failure purely at bottoming it out hard. The stock casting would likely have failed in the same way if it were bottomed out that hard too (although, having said that, most of the photos of failed GS swingarms have let go at the back end of the arm).
 

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I was riding with an acquaintance of Carlin's on the weekend. A fellow Pikes Peak motorcycle racer, Desert racer, road racer and flat tracker by the name of Shane Scott. He was sharing with us how Carlin had gave him lots of advise and tips over several months leading up to racing his first baja. Very typical fellow motorcycle/racing enthusiast sharing his knowledge so another rider can advance their skills. Pretty much embodies the common bond that motorcyclist share. Oddly enough, we were riding at a memorial trail ride for a fellow trail rider that had succumb to a heart attack on a trail ride a couple years prior. The Derrick Crann Memorial Trail Ride.
 
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I spot John Roderick in the lineup there. How'd you two meet? The Long Winters are one of my favorite bands, and John's an awesome storyteller. His podcasts are great and he seems like an endless source of trivia and knowledge.

Seems like the perfect person to go on a road trip with.

Yes, Ben introduced me to John last year. He's a real character and a lot of fun to have on a trip. He's very good at figuring people out and seeing deeper into things. And funny as well.

It's likely that the temper on your aluminium swingarm was changed when it was welded. In the bicycle world any aluminium that gets welded gets a post weld heat treatment to return the temper to it's original state.

I vote new tubular steel swingarm. As long as your welds are good you won't have to worry about heat treat issues. Use aircraft grade 4130 from Wicks or Aircraft Spruce.

I believe you're right and after a lot of thought I'm going to repair this one and do some additional bracing and then have it heat treated.

Gregor,
Sometimes situations and events pop up that begin to dig at your foundation. Stuff that you're normally confident of because it's buried deep down and protected. The very tenets of who you are. And then you begin to doubt yourself.
DONT.
It sounds like that stupid cliché sports thing, but "you ARE who you think you are."
What you do and what you are capable of doing, build wise and ride wise is a direct extension of who you are.

Where you've been.

What you've done.

You are the fine, distilled product of a long process.
Don't let a mistake or two call into question who you are.

Reading your last post reminded me a lot of Pirsig's "Zen and the art..."
Pirsigs madness aside, you are that.
Zen
And motorcycle maintenance.

Thanks for this.

I think that when you have a foundation rocked you tend to start to look for other things that support that idea. Lately I have been busy with a lot of work and it's the sort that doesn't pay well but takes a lot of time because I refuse to do a poor job. I'm happy for the work and will always put in 100% but my free time has been next to zero.

And without any forward progress on personal projects I tend to focus on the things that I haven't gotten done. Which are overwhelming. Each one mocks me and adds to my frustration.

So when my friend Matt asked if we wanted to go camping with his family a couple of weeks back I said yes immediately. It was an opportunity to get the trailer cleaned up and maybe see what needed to be done on that front.

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Camping is a real reset for me and is pure enjoyment for the kids. I don't think that we could do it enough if we tried. I like the way that the campground is a small community and that people open up and share. Our current societies breakdown of community is something I think about constantly and it's refreshing to get away, sit around a campfire, go fishing and talk to strangers.

And so, to get this thread back on track and hopefully me as well, when we got home I decided to finally tackle the last remaining trailer project that was imperative - resealing the AC unit and the remaining vents.

My long goal for the trailer is to make it a self contained guest room/house for visitors. Even though I'd sealed 90% of roof previously there were still leaks over the winter. The AC was the last bit and I dreaded dealing with it.

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In a complete reinforcement of my dread one of the two retaining bolts sheared off when I removed it and then one of the three cover bolts also sheared off. Nonetheless I managed to pull it off.

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Like most projects I hope it will be simple. I just need to clean the last seam, replace the gasket and reinstall the AC.

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I decided to tape the opening with the Eternabond tape to prevent any errant leaks from going between the shell and the walls. Rot in the PNW is endemic.

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There was one last remaining roof vent to be replaced as well as removing the TV antenna base. Basically I needed to be sure that the entire roof was sealed.

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Like most projects it turned out to be way more complicated than anticipated. Each incremental repair necessitated an exponential amount of tools as screws were sheared, cut and removed.

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This is a really amazing example of corrosion - it's the screws that held the antenna base on. They're all the same length and what's not shown are the ones that sheared off despite a days soaking in penetrant.

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The ever present 5 in 1 tool scraping away ancient sealant.

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Years ago I bought a Beverly Shear and it's one of the best tools ever for cutting sheet goods. They're not too expensive on ebay and I bolt mine to the bench when needed. It's worlds better than hand shears.

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Similarly is the Roper-Whitney Punch No. 5 Jr. It's a simple tool, cheap and plentiful on ebay, that does a simple job of punching holes and is far faster than drilling. The throat stop makes consistency easy.

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With the new patch in place I drill and place clecos and it's about that time that I get some help.

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I usually let the kids curiosity drive them and seeing me on the roof of the trailer made them want to help.

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They really liked the process of putting the clecos in. I think that it's universally satisfying to use them.

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Nadia decided after one patch it was too hot on the roof but the lure of power tool use kept Lucas on board.

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And with that last patch glued, sealed and riveted in place the last little bit of sealing the roof was done. I hope.

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I struggled with what to do with the AC and finally decided to remove the sheared bolt and just reinstall it. We rarely use it and why make a bigger project of it? Well the sheared bolt then broke again at it's welded mount inside the AC's thin metal framework. I toyed with the idea of pulling it off the roof and trying to weld it back in but in the end I gave up. It's a 40+ year old AC, the sheet metal is galvanized (deadly to weld) and if I put in a modern heat pump style AC I would have a reliable way to keep the trailer comfortable all year while plugged in if needed. Yeah for mission creep!

Sadly new units are $800-1200 and I just missed on Craigs List. For now I've put the AC in place and will continue to look for a decent used one.

So it's not a project complete but at least it's closer. With any luck I'll find a heat pump soon. If I can't before Sept I'll pony up for a new one and get the thing buttoned up.

Next I'm going to turn my attention to the thing most bothering me and holding up other projects - the garage.

Gregor
 

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Glad to see you back up on the horse! Nice work on the trailer!


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This may be a silly question, but are standard rivets considered water tight without further sealing, or do they require further attention during installation to insure a weather tight seal? Did you use a different type of rivet? Curious as to why they have ~5/16 nubs sticking out after installation - all the pop rivets I've seen snap off flush.
 

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So it's not a project complete but at least it's closer.

Gregor

This right here is about how every project I tackle ends up and usually three or more times before it can be marked complete. I just try to look at it as a lack of unknown, it may not be done but at least now you know what needs to be done instead of worrying about what could go wrong when you dig into the project.

Looking forward to more project and beautiful photography as always!
 
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This may be a silly question, but are standard rivets considered water tight without further sealing, or do they require further attention during installation to insure a weather tight seal? Did you use a different type of rivet? Curious as to why they have ~5/16 nubs sticking out after installation - all the pop rivets I've seen snap off flush.

Sorry about that. I didn't really finish that with full detail as it was a rehash of the repairs that I did a year or so ago - way back to post 1899 and post 1910.

The rivets are "Olympic Shaveable Rivets" and they're designed to look like bucked rivets that were typically used on airplanes and trailer. Bucked rivets are solid rivets that require two people and access to both sides of the material. One person hammers the rivet head and the other person "bucks" or backs the rivet so that it mushrooms out. Very strong and how airplanes used to be made and also how these trailers were originally made.

Obviously once the trailer is built there's no longer access to the interior so you're only option is to used a pop rivet - the kind most people are familiar with. These rivets use an aluminum stem and head and they break with the stem above the rivet.

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You then clip the excess off with snips.

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This is the specific tool that essentially "mills" the stem flush to the head and gives the head of the rivet the look of a smooth, bucked rivet. That then matches the original ones. Just looking now, this tool is now going for $250 and I found two of them. One in a collection of tools for $10 or so. The other for $150 which I considered criminal years ago.

I don't consider a rivet to be weatherproof so I will usually dip them in the sealer I'm using. I also make sure that the sealer is inside the rivet area and on a long seam I'll cover it with the Enduralast tape. Belt and suspenders on the roof.

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Once the rivet is installed, clipped and shaved with the rivet shaver you get this:

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Anyway, I hope that helps explain it. Someday I'll do an index to this thread...

Gregor
 

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Gregor, Busy as you are, I'm sure the vacation/travel with the kids is going to start soon, if it hasn't already. Like you, I enjoy listening to podcasts whenever possible. I've been listening to some that I thought you and the kids could listen to and enjoy.
-13 Minutes to the Moon - The BBC's history of the Moon Landings.
-50 Things That Made the Modern Economy - Another interesting BBC offering.
-AirSpace - The National Air and Space podcast about all things aviation and space.
-The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe - what I call the updated Paul Harvey....Mike Rowe does a fantastic job telling true stories.
-Radiolab Presents: More Perfect - A series about the Supreme Court.

I listen to many others, but these are more or less G and sometimes PG rated.

Hope you find a few of these interesting and entertaining. Have a great vacation season!

Gregor,
I posted this on your thread right around when the Pike's Peak incident occured. Figured with all the bad sh*t going on, you missed it. Good to see you back in the swing of things.....
 
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Gregor,
I posted this on your thread right around when the Pike's Peak incident occured. Figured with all the bad sh*t going on, you missed it. Good to see you back in the swing of things.....

Yeah, some things slipped by for sure. And thanks for posting that - we have a lot of big road trips coming up and we're always looking for new podcasts.

Gregor
 
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