The VISES of Garage Journal

[Productbob]

Smitty- another great family photo!
Scoot- nice looking 3C
VA- My area of New York gives a combined bargain rate of 8.75% for the privilege of spending your own money

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Whichever of you beat me to the Reed 3C on the local CL, you're dead to me! Answer up now! Seriously, no one outside of this forum could have got it that fast, congratulations!

 

[Productbob]

went to look over an early 204R (which I bought) and came home with a new one for the list as well. A Jacobson 4 1/2" swivel base that needs some TLC, a collar and 1 jaw insert (so far). Slide is closed in the back but it moves smoothly! Will send the particulars to Mr. Scott shortly.

 

[va.grouseman]

Yea Product, that's what it amounts to.---A heavy toll for the privilege of using my own money,---But I console myself by reminding myself that like using the highway, it's a privilege not a right.

 

[Randall2626]

Hello Everyone . . . I just recently inherited a used vice. To be a bit more specific, it appears to be a pretty well used (and abused) Columbian (made in the USA) model D43-M4.
Red in color and from the information I have been able to find when searching this site the description provided in the very nicely done spreadsheet seems to fit my vice exactly. Additionally, when reading many, many, posts about vices and some of the issues with them, it appears that I probably need a spindle and handle assembly and maybe some associated parts. What is happening is that when I attempt to tighten something in the vice, it kind of slips as the jaws get closer. So, the big question is - can anyone provide me with information as to where I might obtain such parts? Any help is very much appreciated!!! I do not think it has any bearing on assistance but I am located in the Orlando, FL area. Again, thank you. Also, I greatly apologize if I am posting this improperly or in the wrong place. Corrections graciously appreciated. Great web site. I just found it.

 

[va.grouseman]

Sounds like either there are sheared off threads on the main screw or the big main nut is split and spreads under pleasure allowing slippage.

 

[mike_paxton]

went to look over an early 204R (which I bought) and came home with a new one for the list as well. A Jacobson 4 1/2" swivel base that needs some TLC, a collar and 1 jaw insert (so far). Slide is closed in the back but it moves smoothly! Will send the particulars to Mr. Scott shortly.

Productbob

Congrats on both vises!!!

It's funny on the Jacobson vise, as we don't see them that much here on GJ, but I got a 5-1/4" that had a damaged slide support last week which posted a few pages back on GJ and you got a 4-1/2" posted this week. Now just sit back and see if the rule of three comes true again.

Mike

 

[davethorik]

went to look over an early 204R (which I bought) and came home with a new one for the list as well. A Jacobson 4 1/2" swivel base that needs some TLC, a collar and 1 jaw insert (so far). Slide is closed in the back but it moves smoothly! Will send the particulars to Mr. Scott shortly.

Nice find on the Jacobson, they aren't common

 

[KMScott]

went to look over an early 204R (which I bought) and came home with a new one for the list as well. A Jacobson 4 1/2" swivel base that needs some TLC, a collar and 1 jaw insert (so far). Slide is closed in the back but it moves smoothly! Will send the particulars to Mr. Scott shortly.

That Jacobson is a copy of the Rock Island 3,4,5,#6 models. Awesome vise and happy to add it to the Spreadsheet, share more pic's on it's own post.

Kevin

 

[colt zantop]

Just picked up a Wilton shop king. Always have liked the Art Deco style of them.

 

[Smitty]

Thanks guys for the kind words, what good are toys if you can’t show them off every once in a while.

Bob: Nice find, you’ve had a busy Monday.

 

[gman007]

Yea Product, that's what it amounts to.---A heavy toll for the privilege of using my own money,---But I console myself by reminding myself that like using the highway, it's a privilege not a right.

VA
So far I have resisted asking you a trick question in response to your earlier post regarding the top five states with the highest combined sales tax. But now I have to ask, can you please name the states where a good portion of this revenue is NOT pissed away ?

 

[gman007]

went to look over an early 204R (which I bought) and came home with a new one for the list as well. A Jacobson 4 1/2" swivel base that needs some TLC, a collar and 1 jaw insert (so far). Slide is closed in the back but it moves smoothly! Will send the particulars to Mr. Scott shortly.

Bob
Nice score specially the Jacobson

 

[gman007]

Hello Everyone . . . I just recently inherited a used vice. To be a bit more specific, it appears to be a pretty well used (and abused) Columbian (made in the USA) model D43-M4.
Red in color and from the information I have been able to find when searching this site the description provided in the very nicely done spreadsheet seems to fit my vice exactly. Additionally, when reading many, many, posts about vices and some of the issues with them, it appears that I probably need a spindle and handle assembly and maybe some associated parts. What is happening is that when I attempt to tighten something in the vice, it kind of slips as the jaws get closer. So, the big question is - can anyone provide me with information as to where I might obtain such parts? Any help is very much appreciated!!! I do not think it has any bearing on assistance but I am located in the Orlando, FL area. Again, thank you. Also, I greatly apologize if I am posting this improperly or in the wrong place. Corrections graciously appreciated. Great web site. I just found it.[i/QUOTE]
Rand
Welcome to GJ.

It sounds like may be the main nut or screw might have worn out or stripped thread.

In any case to be honest notwithstanding any sentimental value (which of course is very important) the monetary value of D43 is not very high. And were you by chance ( it is often not easy to find parts for old vises) able to locate some parts for the D43 financially might not make sense to fix this vise.

Having said this, if you still want to fix this vise apart from getting really lucky and finding a donor d43 locally for cheap, you might want to try eBay. There is seller on eBay named oldtoolnut who is a nice and helpful guy. He often has parts for various vises (again mainly parts for higher end machinists vises as opposed to mechanics vises like D43). You might want to contact him and see if he can help you.

Good luck

 

[Oily Nails]

Ayup fellas, been a while since I last posted on this thread, mainly as I've been "behaving" [emoji6]

Anyway as is my style I found this 1" clamp-on vice with the world's tiniest "anvil" in an antique stores "Tools £2 bucket"

No makers marks and its pretty simply cast, but fun.

Cleaned up OK after a bath in evap-o-rust (although the clamp screw has surface rusted at lightspeed!) and temporarily replaced the peened over nail-come-handle with some plated parts from my miscellaneous hardware stash.

Will join my other mini vices around the shop as shelf hooks and note holders.

 

[colt zantop]

That is really great looking. Was there any tooling for the Pritchel?

Thanks ! Unfortunately not.

 

[va.grouseman]

VA
So far I have resisted asking you a trick question in response to your earlier post regarding the top five states with the highest combined sales tax. But now I have to ask, can you please name the states where a good portion of this revenue is NOT pissed away ?

I cannot, but since I've not seen a mass migration into one concentrated area, say the size of Rhode island, I'd have to say there isn't one.---Please tell me I'm wrong.

 

[Outlawmws]

Gman that would be states where this revenue is NOT collected at all. (it was a riddle right?)

ON, that little clamp on is cool as heck!

 

[Productbob]

Thanks guys! The Jacobson is pretty unusual and is gonna require some research and thinking LOL. Removed the screw and the collar fell out with the set screw so it just was loose; one issue dealt with. The back of the slide is solid (pic attached) so figured the nut must drop out of the bottom. Went to remove the swivel and realized there is no visible lock for the swivel .

turned the vise over and there are threads for something that goes in the center of the vise, but it has 3 mounting holes so the threads aren't for securing the vise to a bench Keep working the base back and forth getting junk out till the base assembly came out. Inside was a big brass nut and attached cylinder (pic attached). At this point the 'static' jaw just slides over the base assembly (pic). So.....what threads into the base, how does the swivel lock and are the two connected? The brain is reeling

 

[gman007]

I cannot, but since I've not seen a mass migration into one concentrated area, say the size of Rhode island, I'd have to say there isn't one.---Please tell me I'm wrong.

Va
IMHO, While technically Outlaw’s answer is the most correct one (Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon have no sales tax) , your answer is also in spirit correct as the question was rather rhetorical. The larger the bureaucracy the larger the waste of hard earned tax payers money (be it sales, income, property, or any other tax revenue).

So unfortunately for all of us as tax payers, you are both correct!

 

[paulsomlo]

Pulled this out of an estate, a Craftsman 5242. After cleaning it up, I noticed cracks on each side of the moving jaw, at the bottom where the slide enters the casting. Not too disappointed, though, didn't cost me anything. The slide has a little play in the casting of the moving jaw, looks like it's inserted, but I can't seem to find any evidence of it being pinned. How is it attached?

 

[PghJKB]

Thanks guys! The Jacobson is pretty unusual and is gonna require some research and thinking LOL. Removed the screw and the collar fell out with the set screw so it just was loose; one issue dealt with. The back of the slide is solid (pic attached) so figured the nut must drop out of the bottom. Went to remove the swivel and realized there is no visible lock for the swivel .

turned the vise over and there are threads for something that goes in the center of the vise, but it has 3 mounting holes so the threads aren't for securing the vise to a bench Keep working the base back and forth getting junk out till the base assembly came out. Inside was a big brass nut and attached cylinder (pic attached). At this point the 'static' jaw just slides over the base assembly (pic). So.....what threads into the base, how does the swivel lock and are the two connected? The brain is reeling

Product

Without some more images, it is difficult to say exactly, but your vise is either JR Long's patent #713121 or #684443.

The patents can be found here:
#713121
https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageN...6S1=0713121.PN.%26OS=pn/713121%26RS=PN/713121

#684443
https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageN...6S1=0684443.PN.%26OS=pn/684443%26RS=PN/684443

Hope this helps.

Also
Have you read this thread?:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124285

Check post #4 by bl00.

I checked JR Long's patents. They give his residence as Warren, PA. It looks to me like Long was doing vise work for Jacobson and Jacobson was brought into Rock Island.

That would make the Rock Islands copies of the Jacobsons.

Am trying to verify all this, not having much luck, so far.

JKB

 

[Outlawmws]

Paul, those are commonly cast in place.

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by Produtbob.

Went to remove the swivel and realized there is no visible lock for the swivel .
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Product, your Jacobson works on the same principal as the Pedestal Jacboson, the Rock Island Autolock, the Versa Vise, the Pittsburgh Railroad Vise, the FRAY MERSHON INC.---They all lock when you pinch them.

 

[va.grouseman]

Here's the rest.

 

[zoomieport]

Moving a hoarder...


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[va.grouseman]

Oh, my aching back.---This will consume 3 boxes of DOAN'S and 2 bottles of Ibuprofen, and I'll still be hurting, says Zoomie.

Nice trailer too.---Something seems to be redacted.

 

[Smitty]

Zoomie: Hopefully the slab can take it.

 

[paulsomlo]

Paul, those are commonly cast in place.

That's what I was afraid of - I probably shouldn't have spent the hour I did cleaning it up.

 

[gman007]

Moving a hoarder...

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Zoom
Thank you for answering one of my burning questions regarding vises. Where do all great vises go when they retire? Well they go to the Zoom's Valhalla of vises

 

[kenc184]

I notice all the huge & heavy Wiltons are at the back of the truck! LOL.

There's some cool looking Parker or Yost rotators in there......hmmm, what a collection.

 

[kenc184]

Does anyone have a single wilton 1750 vise jaw they would be willing to sell for something like $20 shipped?

I have a 1750 just refurbed but with one jaw missing - remember the vise with a home made jaw held on with wood screws and wall anchors? I know if I buy a pair for $43 on ebay I probably will barely break even when I sell it.

 

[Productbob]

PGH & VA thanks for the great information. From the patent and company history it looks like this was made somewhere in the 1901-1906 period. I got it apart with hammer and wood assistance and it looks closer to patent 443 except for the bench connecting (center hole vs. 3 hole). If I'm understanding this correctly when I tighten up the jaws it pulls the brass nut assembly tight to the inside of the base sleeve. That same action also binds the outside of the base sleeve to the inside of the 'static' jaw sleeve?? When I get it back together that will be the first test. So what's the threaded hole in the bottom of the brass sleeve for?

 

[Smitty]

Bob, this ad is from 1903.


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[MacMcMacmac]

Anybody recognize this vise? Would it be worth restoring? Only English vise I know of is a Record, but this does not look like one to me.

 

[KMScott]

Bob, this ad is from 1903. snip....

Hey Smitty, thanks for this and shucks what is hiding above the Jacobson spec;s. Share if you can. Thanks Kevin

 

[Smitty]

I had this saved under Prentiss 1903. I happened to be looking at it and noticed Bobs vise.


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[KMScott]

Thanks Smitty, I'll see if I can add any of the Prentiss's.

 

[davethorik]

Interesting. I had sighted this 7" Jacobson swivel jaw a few years ago:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5839318&postcount=45605

It appeared to have the same auto-lock as Bob's, and the later RI, but there was no swivel base and it was on a pedestal (and didn't get any pics from below). It too had the end of the slide enclosed.

Edit:, dang I'd like to see a 5-1/4" jaw universal friction vise!

 

[Productbob]

Smitty Outstanding, thanks for posting this! gave the owner $15 for the vise so didn't overpay and it is every bit of 80 lbs.