who will guess what is this manufacturer vice monster?

[paris by night]

Hi guys. Small challenge for the fun. Once again impossible to have a drink with the winner. The reed 106 is not a huge vice but conaisseurs know this is something serious. Notice the handle size comparison. The photo don’t reflect the reality. Much more impressive in real.
Unfortunately no history with. Just a 1 month phone and run work and finally finish in a gipsy basement to do the deal. Can’t tell this story to friends here.

 

[zkling]

Erie?

 

[paris by night]

Erie?

Very heat ! More details ?

 

[rusty65]

Already been said but i believe that’s a Erie Mogul vise


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[zkling]

Very heat ! More details ?

Technically all you asked for was manufacturer. Was I correct?

 

[paris by night]

Technically all you asked for was manufacturer. Was I correct?

You won. One month to catch and you found in 2 minutes.
I am going to clean it

 

[paris by night]

Model 108. What’s mean MOGUL ?

 

[drivesitfar]

Paris: you are finding some great old iron over there on that side of the big pond. WELL DONE SIR!!

how does the size of your Big ERIE compare to your Reed 107 you found a few weeks ago? i'd love a side by side picture of them cause the Erie is making that 125 pound REED 106 look small.

which model is your Erie or give us a few more details like jaw width and weight if you know it?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

What’s mean MOGUL ?

A very powerful person in terms of influence and wealth and holdings. Usually associated with Hollywood in its heyday. Synonyms are a tycoon or a land baron or a "captain of industry". I think it was derived from the term for a certain type of steam locomotive. Generally, as a model name for that Erie 108, it refers to its extra large size. What's interesting to me is the first (and only other) time I have seen it used in the area of mechanics hand tools and/or equipment was a Milwaukee Tool & Forge catalog, for their 1-inch drive socket sets.

 

[drivesitfar]

Paris: if you have time to post up more pics of your Erie 108 I know i'd like to see some. also any idea of the weight? I know you lift heavy items all the time so do you pick that up with a lift or by hand?

one tip in case you don't have lifts or straps or help handy when buying these huge vises is that most of them that haven't had the back of the slide beat on will just turn themselves out so you can carry in two parts home.

that said it's a good idea to clean off the backs of the slides a bit on these old vises cause the tolerances were pretty tight and getting one stuck after it's out of the vise nut is a bit of a pain in the ****. (ask me how I know).

have a great day!!

 

[Provincial]

Dictionary definition of Mogul:

"an Indian Muslim of or descended from one of several conquering groups of Mongol, Turkish, and Persian origin"

The Mogul class ruled India and had great power. Modern use of the term is to describe someone in business with great power, like the "Movie Moguls" that ruled Hollywood in the 1930's.

 

[paris by night]

guys you are the best. I was a little lost because I thought that Erie was the city of manufacture and mogul the brand and like i just found 1 photo of a biggest mogul on GJ without details ...... so thanks.

zkling : you ruined my pleasure by found instantly the brand but if you come to Paris you are welcome to have a drink. YOU WON.
rusty 65 : thanks for the photo of catalog, i will print it.
private lugnutz and provincial : thanks for the "mogul" explain. (i thought it sounded like a bad thing from lord of rings)
driversitfar : just finish the reed 107, need to place the new handle on and then photos mogul vs 107 coming soon. absolutely impossible to lift alone. 3 men to load in my van but perhaps 2 strong ones will be able because when dismantle i can manage(hard). all the other vises, even the 107 looks like....toys, but i can not really use it because my bench, my garage, look ridiculous in regard of this vise. and honestly i don't made super heavy iron works. so this is like to use a B'52 to launch à firecracker.
just going to keep it for the immoderation of the object.

 

[Roberts210]

NICE find Paris by Night.

 

[drivesitfar]

Paris: I'm still hoping to even see a big old 250+ pound 8 inch wide jaw old USA made vise and you've got one. WOW that Erie is huge cause the Reed 107 isn't a little guy.

thanks for sharing!!

 

[paris by night]

just finishing and wax the beast. now i just don't know where place it ! i have 3 bench but they are too high. so research a cast iron base from a milling machine/wood machine. hard to find but not desperate.
drivesit : i managed your face to face big vises and now need a good cup of wine to relax this crazy week.

 

[drivesitfar]

Paris: once you get a nice stand built for that big ERIE you might have to make it your AVATAR (picture that shows up under your name Paris at Night).

those are a nice pair of vises to have and maybe after you have a couple glasses of wine (one for me too) and your arms recover might I suggest you starting to find some of the nice 2 inch vises like a Wilton Baby bullet and the Prentiss swivel jaw vises are just a couple that would look nice with those.

speaking of a nice stand with your hunting skills maybe you could find an old Hydraulic chair base like I had and make yourself an adjustable vise stand for either one of these great vises.

CHEERS!!

 

[paris by night]

drivesit : pretty good idea, i am going to study that.
a friend of me give me an industrial scale, basically to know the weight of my safes so couldn't resist to test the mogul, verdict : 309 kilos.

 

[drivesitfar]

Paris: I’m glad you got to weigh your Erie but I think you meant 309 pounds and not kilos. It’s huge but not 630 pounds.

If you want to search for the biggest old bench vise we know of it’s a 695 pound Pittsburgh brand Railroad vise.

VERY WELL DONE!!

best of luck finding the right base for your vise and if a barber chair can’t be found maybe an old safe would make a nice stand and make the stuff in your safe even harder to haul away.

 

[paris by night]

yes sorry, i mixed : 140 kilos so 309 pounds. for the fun i am going to weigh others vises.

 

[kenc184]

That is insane!
A Reed 106 is a LARGE vise, but the Erie absolutely dwarfs it. Plus, the Erie is in superb condition.
I took a vacation in Paris last month, too bad I didn't find this vise, although I suspect getting it on the airplane would have been fun!

 

[ClappedOutBport]

That looks like one of the strongest vise designs I have ever seen. Very nice.

 

[Jeffcmz]

Hi guys. Small challenge for the fun. Once again impossible to have a drink with the winner. The reed 106 is not a huge vice but conaisseurs know this is something serious. Notice the handle size comparison. The photo don’t reflect the reality. Much more impressive in real.
Unfortunately no history with. Just a 1 month phone and run work and finally finish in a gipsy basement to do the deal. Can’t tell this story to friends here.

Man where did you find this beast? I live right in Erie pa and I can’t believe that this vise ended up all the way in Paris!

 

[bargainhuntingking]

What a beast!!!! What do you wax it with?

 

[paris by night]

jeffcmz : crazy story to catch it because the seller was a gipsy, work in the scrap metal so constantly move. yes this is unbelievable that something so massive ended here but i think it came during the WW2.
not too many people are now interested by big industrial tool. old factory closed, people live in appartement, less and less garage and young people prefer cell phones to dirty work
the revolution society.
when we are dead probably lot of your metal tools will end to the scrap my friend.
bargain : i don't know the composition of the wax, this is a clear wax for metal but smell exactly same for wood, just more ticker. for inside use i think wood products are good.

 

[bargainhuntingking]

“...when we are dead probably lot of your metal tools will end to the scrap my friend...”

That could be the byline of Garage Journal!

It kind of amazing to think about what a vise that big was used for. Is anyone currently in a career who is using a vise that big on a regular basis? I’d agree it probably came over during WW2. Amazing find!

 

[paris by night]

hi men. just a report of my different test with BLO : i used it on "cold" application. on the iron to keep the old aspect with some rust touch, or to keep the piece closer than the original condition this is .....perfect. first time i used i don't swipe enough so was sticky even after some days, but with several super thin layers this is beautiful, non greasy touch and non sticky with a beautiful deep reveal colors.
i try on 2 antique safes and the result is much better than expect, beautiful eggshell result. by past i had varnish some safes to preserve original paint but this is not evident because in case of scratch impossible to do repair so DRIVESITFAR thanks you Sir for this unexpected revelation. i am just sunned that this BLO are not use here.
tested too on wood tool handle and this is beautiful.
the only advise is just to proceed by SUPER thin layers.
so i am convicted the BLO is a very good way for specific application. on vise i do not apply on the sliding part and prefer wax.

 

[drivesitfar]

Paris: since your part of the world is so good at making oil maybe you can start your own BLO making biz and after everybody over there sees your huge vises and safes and other naked steel I bet your BLO will fly off the shelves.

also i'm sure you probably know this and want to keep mentioning it anyway for those reading and wanting to try BLO for the first time. make sure if you use rags to apply the BLO please DO NOT throw it in a garbage can or lay around cause they can self combust into flames and many a garage or home has burnt down cause of BLO or stained rags causing a fire.

i'm happy to hear you like the BLO and we just need a few more pictures of your vises and safes so we can admire your work. feel free to start a VINTAGE SAFES THREAD if you haven't already and adding a few pics here or on your other threads might be ok too.

cheers!

 

[ttpete]

A very powerful person in terms of influence and wealth and holdings. Usually associated with Hollywood in its heyday. Synonyms are a tycoon or a land baron or a "captain of industry". I think it was derived from the term for a certain type of steam locomotive. Generally, as a model name for that Erie 108, it refers to its extra large size. What's interesting to me is the first (and only other) time I have seen it used in the area of mechanics hand tools and/or equipment was a Milwaukee Tool & Forge catalog, for their 1-inch drive socket sets.

The term was used for a class of steam locomotive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-6-0

 

[paris by night]

Hi guys. With the lock out due to Covid i finaly found time to search a decent socle for the mogul. Cast iron machines pedestral are very hard to find here because from some years house designers use them for foot table so prices rise up to immoral ammount.
But fortunately a friend call me for a big one. Just need to cut on place because it was more 1 meter high and remove some accesories.
There is an embossed name manufacturer made in Paris. Not matching with the US made erie but this is the design i wanted.
The challenge will be to try to made invisible retractable wheels system just to move it in the garage occasionaly because for different project i need space here and there and the garage is not large enough.

 

[Roberts210]

Looks like a winner.

 

[nadogail]

Great pictures of the vise and pedestal. Thanks for sharing.

 

[paris by night]

Hi guys. Some news of the retractable wheels project. I ordered very small 30mm diameter wheels guaranted for 120kgs per wheel. Very small tolerance so hope they will do the job.
Due to the not impossible but problematic cast iron welding i decided to made a fixed corner frame by dril and tap arround the pedestral.
A second mobile frame wich receive the wheels go inside. A very low travel 20mm will be the maximum due to the missing space in the basement.
The idea is to rise with hydraulic jack to 2cms (0.78inch) suffisant to move it in the garage depending on the work project. I am not rich of space.
So first i made a 1.5cms (0.6inch) iron plate to place on the top of the pedestral with 2.4cms diameter to link the vise on. The plate is fixed by 12 M8 screw drill in the socle. Need to made a new door because the original has been lost
Need to rise the jack with carpent piece of wood and another screw under the plate to limit the play of the jack. Just add a steel plate on the upper piece of wood to limit the pressure of the head of jack on.
And after 2 wirk day :

 

[Kev442]

The cool factor of that vise on that pedestal is beyond belief. Congrats on a great project!

 

[Rileysan]

Hi guys. Some news of the retractable wheels project. I ordered very small 30mm diameter wheels guaranted for 120kgs per wheel. Very small tolerance so hope they will do the job.
Due to the not impossible but problematic cast iron welding i decided to made a fixed corner frame by dril and tap arround the pedestral.
A second mobile frame wich receive the wheels go inside. A very low travel 20mm will be the maximum due to the missing space in the basement.
The idea is to rise with hydraulic jack to 2cms (0.78inch) suffisant to move it in the garage depending on the work project. I am not rich of space.
So first i made a 1.5cms (0.6inch) iron plate to place on the top of the pedestral with 2.4cms diameter to link the vise on. The plate is fixed by 12 M8 screw drill in the socle. Need to made a new door because the original has been lost
Need to rise the jack with carpent piece of wood and another screw under the plate to limit the play of the jack. Just add a steel plate on the upper piece of wood to limit the pressure of the head of jack on.
And after 2 wirk day :

Beautiful! Excellent work!!

 

[drivesitfar]

PARIS: first of all WELCOME BACK and I (we) missed you and your cool vintage finds. i'm guessing all the skills you've learned and improved while restoring safes really helped you when making this stand look this way.

WOW isn't really good enough cause that huge vise really does have a good place to sit now. whether you use it to work on or just have it as part of your shop's decor it really looks great.

all that work with the base and door not to mention the top plate really is nice and certainly shows you have skills.

thanks for sharing.

 

[paris by night]

glad to hear you drivesit. i am very happy with this modification because i need the moving possibility but i do not like to see wheels so the time to made worth the result : i can move it with one hand, and the wheels are invisible so the look is really massive. of course the floor need to be clean of undesirable nuts or screws.
fortunately with the lock down work did not fail and after 5 weeks i finished a very desirable Baum american safe, probably made around 1900. clearly not the place for safes project but i dedicated the photos to all workers, treasure savers, guys who spent hours and hours, alone, in their garage fail and try again as me on number of project and finally reach your goal......sometimes. on the 3rd photo a small "coucou" as we told.

 

[drivesitfar]

I was looking at a few old threads and came across this one. Paris really does find some great old iron whether it's an old vise on a very cool stand like the one here or a safe or some other vintage jewel.

BTW i think Paris drove to Switzerland this week to pick up something pretty big and I'm excited to see it too and also hear that he made it back ok since he was traveling in the Alps during winter.

you ok? any pics of your latest find(s)?

 

[Farmer J.]

I missed this thread first time around, thanks to Drives, it's re surfaced!
I'm also looking forward to hearing from Paris and how he fared on the road trip to 'Switzers'.. Hope he's not still delayed in a basement trying to do a deal on a vice.

 

[drivesitfar]

mainly bumping to see if you survived your long trip, but also cause I know members that haven't seen your vise or safes might see it if I do.

you ok?

 

[paris by night]

Bonsoir Drivesit and sorry for the super late reply. come back safely from my travel. i was in france near the "lac Léman" on the swiss border under a tick snow fall. absolutely unequipped for the alps condition with my van and standard road tires !
i am not going collect tools or garage machine but a wood stove. need one for my grandmother house in the far west point of France in restoration. as i project to place old safe i was research a retro ceramic finish stove. there is beautiful french made and german ones but the most beautiful (personnal opinion) are italians because the front and side panels are made in one tick pieces. others are smaller parts assembly.
this is a beauty of 350 kilos and all the parts are arrived safe at home.
i still research old vises and except a beautiful prentiss new york i missed some weeks ago nothing to hunt !
hope see you soon for old good iron beauty.