Show off your vintage lathe.

[poppinjohnnies]

Re: Show off your vintage or not so vintage lathe.

Here’s my old 15 inch Leblond


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[jabberwoki]

Steve can I see close ups of the all. That 13EE is magnificent.

 

[jabberwoki]

Did he throw the jar of pickles in with the deal?
Sweet lil Cman, now you`ll have to get the set to match.

 

[poppinjohnnies]

Did he throw the jar of pickles in with the deal?
Sweet lil Cman, now you`ll have to get the set to match.

Ha! No. I just used it for a size comparison.


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[davewo]

That lathe is beautiful!

 

[davewo]

I had a request to post pictures of my "Vintage" lathes here. In looking at the gallery here I am not sure they meet the definition, the newest is a 1976, the oldest 1955.
I will post a single pic here to see if you folks have any interest.
These are all Monarch lathes, 1976 10EE, 1959 series 62 and, 1955 13EE

Steve

I can honestly say that having a Monarch 10EE, 62 and 13EE is literally my lathe goal. Those are great looking machines! How would you say the 13EE compares to the Series 62? I've never had the pleasure of using either.

 

[Steve from Socal]

I can honestly say that having a Monarch 10EE, 62 and 13EE is literally my lathe goal. Those are great looking machines! How would you say the 13EE compares to the Series 62? I've never had the pleasure of using either.

The 13EE is like a big 10EE no coincidence, the 62 is another animal. The EE's are variable speed belt driven, the 62 is geared. The 62 has 20HP and the 13EE at least mine has 15HP. I have done some shaft work on the 62 taking better than 1/2" bites on 4140 and it isn't even half way on the load meter.

There was a gent who ran a series 62 lathe when they were still in production, he said the heavy Monarchs could out perform the L&S, American, LeBlond etc. The performance was in the ability to transmit the motor power to the carriage.

Since getting the 13EE it has been the machine I use most often. For small parts I use the 10EE and most everything else the 13EE is a good size for much of my work. A lot of the work I do is support for other aspects of my business. I don't use these in production, If I make 5 of something that is a big run!

These machines don't have fancy paint jobs but, they are remarkably tight with very little wear. All are from Fortune 100 companies, the 10EE Delco/Delphi GM, the series 62 Exxon Mobil and, the 13EE Ingersoll Rand.

I have a good bit of tooling for these, the 62 and 13EE have D1-6 spindles. I have a 15" 4 jaw, 12" 4 jaw, 10" 6 jaw, 10" 4 jaw, 10" 3 jaw and 8" 3 jaw. I also have a 2J collet chuck for both D1-3 and, D1-6 spindles along with collets, rounds by 64th's to 1 3/8 The 10EE has an 8" 4 jaw, 2- 6" 4 jaws, a 6" 3 jaw and the collet nose. Each lathe has a steady rest, all have taper attachments. Aloris tool posts in BX and CA sizes, drill chucks to a 1" supper chuck.

I have to do some house cleaning before I take more detailed pics.

Steve

 

[J king]

Steve in SoCal. Very nice group!

 

[Mark914]

My Atlas 618, I think mid 40’s ? My friends Dad gave it to me a couple years ago , his dad bought it for him when he was around 13 years old. He’s retired now. I would love to talk to some guys that have small lathes like this , I am a hobbiest , not a machinist.
My 1956 Bridgeport M head , 32” table. I converted the motor to variable speed DC. It’s a good size for my small garage.

 

[davewo]

Steve, thank you very much for the reply! If you ever do feel like posting pictures, you certainly have an audience for them! Especially since there are not many examples of the 13EE on the Net.

 

[davewo]

Here’s my 43 10 ee.

Wow! Is it restored? Or is it in that good of condition? Looks great!

 

[harley jim]

My Atlas 618, I think mid 40’s ? My friends Dad gave it to me a couple years ago , his dad bought it for him when he was around 13 years old. He’s retired now. I would love to talk to some guys that have small lathes like this , I am a hobbiest , not a machinist.

My 1956 Bridgeport M head , 32” table. I converted the motor to variable speed DC. It’s a good size for my small garage.

I have one about that size, I bought it in the early 80s for 75.00 with a bunch of old tooling. Right now its covered in a reorganization of my shop. Pics when I get it dug out.

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[bmwrd0]

Mark914, is that a tabletop mill? I can't tell from the pics. Nice Atlas, it is the same size as my Craftsman, which is just a rebranded Atlas.

 

[My Old Tools]

My 13" Southbend toolroom lathe on the trailer as it came home.

 

[ez-duzit]

My 12" x 35" Logan V2557 (and Index Super 55 mill).

 

[J king]

Wow! Is it restored? Or is it in that good of condition? Looks great!

I repainted it. It was rebuilt before I got it. Bed ground.spindle bearings . Drive rebuilt but I changed it to a ac drive.
Thanks. Been done for probably 15 years

 

[Mark914]

BMWRD0, yes, same as your Ctaftsman, what type of projects have you done on yours ?

The mill is a standard Bridgeport knee mill, sometimes refered to as a Round Ram, with an M head. they were smaller than modern Bridgeports, and limited by 1/2" tooling , and no power down feed. Only a power horizantal table feed.

 

[LMS]

Here's mine - it's kinda rare and has a cool provenance. It's a Schaffner and was owned by Walter Astles of B&A Dies. He used this actual lathe when he was creating the dies for early work (invention?) of bullet swaging. It was offered to a friend of mine by someone who was related to his widow (she wanted it out of her barn), and my bud didn't want it and asked me if I did. Cost: $0.00 Only condition of accepting it was that I'd get it back working again.

I took a lot of rust off, but kept the patina and have not painted it. I added magnetics but that can be easily removed and the toggle switch put back on.

It has in interesting drive mechanism - 4 pulleys of different sizes and a disc of unknown material that sets into the pulleys to drive it.

 

[bmwrd0]

Mark, just a few small things and playing around. I made some bicycle cotter pins just for fun, but I am building up to make mini steam engines.

 

[MShaw]

" I would love to talk to some guys that have small lathes like this , I am a hobbiest , not a machinist"

I have a Sherline lathe and a Boley watchmaker's lathe. I had a business for 15 years repairing clicks and have built two small steam engines in my spare time. I also have a Sherline mill.

 

[bmwrd0]

The horologist who repaired my wife's Seth Thomas keeps a well used Sherline at his bench and was a former Navy machinists mate. I always get a kick out of talking to him.

 

[tombell572]

LMS--an unusual lathe, especially the headstock. Some interesting information here: http://www.lathes.co.uk/schaffner/

Tom B.

 

[DocsMachine]

I also have a 2J collet chuck for both D1-3 and, D1-6 spindles along with collets, rounds by 64th's to 1 3/8[.]

-Noice! I'm a big fan of collets on the smaller lathes (5C, of course) and wanted the capability on the big Springer too. I'd been keeping my eyes open and by random luck, I recently picked up a low-miles Hardinge/Sjogren 3J, with 19 Hardinge round collets (roughly by eighths, with a few sixteenths in there) for just under $300.

One of these days I hope to get the damn lathe back together so I can actually use it.

drill chucks to a 1" supper chuck.

-A Supper Chuck is when grandma throws the Christmas turkey at you, isn't it?

I'm kidding, I'm kidding!

I'm a fan of Jacobs Super Chucks too. I have a couple keyless around here somewhere, but 90% of the time, I'm reaching for one of the pre-Chinese Jacobs.

Left to right, a 14N on an R8, a 16N on an MT4, an as-yet unassigned 18N and a 20N also on an MT4.

And in case anyone's interested in how big a Jacobs 20N chuck is...

Keeping in mind I have Desert Eagle sized hands. That has a max capacity of an inch.

I would love to talk to some guys that have small lathes like this , I am a hobbiest , not a machinist.

-Ask away. Most of us started out with small lathes. My first real lathe was a Grizzly 9x20, used that for a couple of years before I replaced it with a Logan 11x32, which is still a small home-shop sized lathe.

I may talk about my big Springfield, but that's basically a side project. I do all my paying work with the Logan and a 10x56 Sheldon.

It has in interesting drive mechanism - 4 pulleys of different sizes and a disc of unknown material that sets into the pulleys to drive it.

-Huh. Never even heard of that make or drive style. On one hand it seems it'd be pretty fast and easy to change speeds, but on the other it seem like it'd be very limited on how deep a cut could could make.

Am I wrong in thinking that's an eight-speed headstock? Two discs on the motor and four pulleys on the spindle? That's also a gear-reduction motor, isn't it? Interesting setup...

Doc.

 

[Steve from Socal]

Doc,

Your 20N is the only other one I have seen that is the older style without the super chuck band around the base of the barrel.

Pictures don't really convey the size of these things either

Steve

 

[Steve from Socal]

Here is a funny shot of the 13EE when I went to get it, the forklift was a bit overwhelmed.

That big fella on the back of the lift is almost 400 pounds himself, the tires were almost flat.

 

[DocsMachine]

Yow, talk about all hands on deck!

And yeah, no idea how old that 20 is, but it's definitely a Super, with the ring of bearing balls.

Doc.

 

[Steve from Socal]

I just looked, Jacobs pat date on the super chuck was 1909 renewed 1915 in a print ad dated Aug 1921.

The barrel was knurled in the ad,
https://books.google.com/books?id=4...the jacobs super chuck first come out&f=false

 

[ClappedOutBport]

20Ns are nice. Steve, you gotta give us more details on those lathes. That is a killer trio.

 

[matt_i]

Here's my vintage lathe...1943 CK-12. Came out of Georgia Tech shop and a Republic Airline machinist bought it somehow, moved it over to a concrete slab at a lake house where he eventually built a house above it. I bought it from his widow and it was not easy to get it out of there!!!



And since Monarch oddness seems to be rife in this thread

The Monarch EC. Which is a 5C spindle collet lathe with a twin-shaft carriage. It needs some work, but one of these days

 

[LMS]

-Huh. Never even heard of that make or drive style. On one hand it seems it'd be pretty fast and easy to change speeds, but on the other it seem like it'd be very limited on how deep a cut could could make.

Am I wrong in thinking that's an eight-speed headstock? Two discs on the motor and four pulleys on the spindle? That's also a gear-reduction motor, isn't it? Interesting setup...

Doc.

Yes, a gear reduction motor and 8 speeds, sort of / theoretically. With how the drive disc material has worn down, sometimes the disc not setting in a pulley interferes / hits the spindle so the other disc can't perfectly set in the pulley.

I'd love to get some of this material and turn some bigger discs to get more RPM at the spindle, but I can't determine what it is. Previous owner turned a large disc of some plastic, but using it causes a lot of vibration, and since there's not much mass in that headstock, it translates to the part.

I saw the term "graphitized micarta" in my research, but can't find that. Also in researching I ran across something described as rubber impregnated linen, which seemed close.

Depth of cut is pretty limited as is RPM. Using HSS bits works better than carbide.

 

[LMS]

LMS--an unusual lathe, especially the headstock. Some interesting information here: http://www.lathes.co.uk/schaffner/

Tom B.

Yea - I learned a lot from there when I was restoring. On the site, the site owner requests anyone who has one of these to contact him, and I did to volunteer to answer questions and provide more pics, but he never got back to me.

 

[DocsMachine]

The Monarch EC. Which is a 5C spindle collet lathe with a twin-shaft carriage.

-I'd use the hell out of something like that.

Never knew Monarch made a little production turret like that, looks like the same 8-slot plate from a Hardinge Chucker.

I'd love to get some of this material and turn some bigger discs to get more RPM at the spindle, but I can't determine what it is. Previous owner turned a large disc of some plastic, but using it causes a lot of vibration, and since there's not much mass in that headstock, it translates to the part.

-On the first part, back in those days "micarta" basically meant a fiber-reinforced plastic. Think of a thick section of fiberglass, but instead of glass fibers, they'd use linen or cotton fibers, or synthetics. These days it's also known as Phenolic or Garolite.

Now, it's not as important to have the exact same material- the precise stuff may not exist, it may have been custom-made by the factory. If I were you, I'd look for a fairly rigid fiber-reinforced plastic, but one that uses a natural or synthetic plastic fiber- NOT carbon fiber or glass fiber. Those of course would likely be much too abrasive.

The "vibration" may well come from the disc either not being round, or mounted eccentrically. If you make a new one, you may have to work out a way of turning or grinding it "in place" on the motor spindle, to make sure it's 100% concentric to the shaft.

Doc.

 

[LMS]

Good advice Doc - Thank you.

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

Wow! There are some really nice and unusual Monarchs showing up in this thread. Powerful and accurate lathes by any measure plus the styling was first class. Ed.

 

[wout]

I have 2 at the moment, while I was fixing my 50s Dutchmade 'Lindeteves' (Hembrug) I came across a Swissmade 1961 Schaublin 120TR. Still have to replace the belt on the Lindeteves, what seems to be a rather big job. After that I probably will sell it cause I don't have space for 2 lathes.

Wout

 

[jabberwoki]

Nice to see some European stuff.

 

[Steve from Socal]

Here are a few teasers of the 13EE, there is too much glare to do full shots in the afternoon.

Steve

 

[DocsMachine]

Still have to replace the belt on the Lindeteves, what seems to be a rather big job.

-What kind of belt is it? Technically you may be able to replace it without having to remove the spindle (which, I'm assuming, is why you say it'll be a big job.)

If it's a modern V-belt, they make linked or "Power Twist" belts that can be installed in place. I have a pair of these on my Sheldon lathe, and they work great.

If it's a flat belt, they make cut-to-length flat belts with clip joiners that can also be assembled in place.

Either way might be quicker than having to disassemble the spindle, especially if you're just planning to sell it off.

Doc.

 

[DocsMachine]

Here are a few teasers of the 13EE, there is too much glare to do full shots in the afternoon.

-What, no taper attachment? Geeze, why even bother then?



Seriously, what originally went in that little pocket thing under the tach?

Doc.

 

[wout]

-What kind of belt is it? Technically you may be able to replace it without having to remove the spindle (which, I'm assuming, is why you say it'll be a big job.)

If it's a modern V-belt, they make linked or "Power Twist" belts that can be installed in place. I have a pair of these on my Sheldon lathe, and they work great.

If it's a flat belt, they make cut-to-length flat belts with clip joiners that can also be assembled in place.

Either way might be quicker than having to disassemble the spindle, especially if you're just planning to sell it off.

Doc.

Hi

Thanks for the help but already discussed that option in another topic and read about it and it seems not recommended to use that kind of belts for pulleys that turn in 2 directions. They're also a lot more expensive then a normal belt I assume. Will go the long way and replace it with a normal belt. When I find some time, I'll go for it .

Wout