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finish nailer - coated nails vs plain nails?

rossn

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I noticed that Senco has some 'Sencote' coated nails for 15ga and 16ga nailers.

I couldn't find much information about actual strength differences between the plain and sencote nails.

Does anyone have direct experience with coated versus plain 15ga or 16ga finish nails?

Do the coated nails leave residue on the nailing surface?

Is anyone outside of sencote selling coated finish nails?

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rossn

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I don't suspect that is necessarily accurate. I think it's usually a yellow coating. The nails I have handy here don't appear to have any type of coating on them, just the glue that holds the collated nails together. Senco specifically lists theirs as 'Plain' or 'Sencote'. Can't find any stats on how strength is improved.
 

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Cobbler explained well.

The friction heat melts the coating.

More difficult to pull out.

On some nails the coating is obvious, on others not so visible but will evidence if scraped w a sharp razor - Like a thin coating of lacquer or varnish.

IIRC sometimes called "Cement coated".

Marc
 
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Interesting read.....Said -glue- on finish was never even on my radar. Yes, on framing nails, but was not aware it was a feature on anything smaller
 

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Cobbler explained well.

The friction heat melts the coating.

More difficult to pull out.

On some nails the coating is obvious, on others not so visible but will evidence if scraped w a sharp razor - Like a thin coating of lacquer or varnish.

IIRC sometimes called "Cement coated".

Marc

I believe 'cement-coated' nails are designed to be resistant to weather/water, and are an exterior application than an interior-rated nail. I agree that the other coated nails may-be more-resistant to loosening, are activated by friction and can be interior-use.
 
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rossn

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I spoke with Hitachi, Paslode, Bostitch, and Senco. Here is the deal:

Hitachi - There is no coating on their finish/brad nails, other than the galvanization on galvanized nails
Paslode - There is no coating on their finish/brad nails, other than the galvanization on galvanized nails
Bostitch - (says 'coated' on their site) This one is a little more suspect. The person I spoke with looked up in his documentation to confirm they were 'coated', but it appears that is all the information he had and wasn't directly familiar with them. He insisted that they were not referring to a galvanized coating, and that they were not galvanized, despite the fact they are silver in color.
Senco - Offers finish/brad galvanized nails in both Sencote and Plain. The Sencote product sounds like it is as much about lubricating and in some materials (wood) it can also increase pullout strength, often the wood around it failing prior to pull-out. However, they do not market it for strengthening, knowing that stains, paints, etc could be applied and react with the Sencote, rendering it without adhesive benefit. The Sencote may be yellow or clear. Supposedly Sencote is the 'standard' on their products, but they also offer plain in their finish nails, as for stain finishes, some of the coating can come off upon insertion and lead to some discoloration on the material they are being shot through.

Has anyone used the Senco Sencote finish fasteners, who can say if they practically leave much coating on the board surface?
 

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Not the exact subject here... But be AWARE there are at least two types of nail and other fastener "Galvanized"

Pretty thin "Electro - Galvanized", and the much better thicker "Hot Dipped Galvanized" that meets national specs for use w treated wood.

Either type of galv already has a rougher texture, so in itself already harder to pullout than "Bright" or "Brite", so no other coating.

Marc
 

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Curious - do they make hot dipped galvanized 15, 16, or 18 gauge nails/brads?

I think they make it in 15 gauge, but probably not the others.

15 gauge nails have individually formed heads and are collated into angled strips, so they can be individually treated. T head nails that come in straight strips are not made individually, so while the strips may be electro-galvanized so they don't rust on the shelf, the nails break apart upon use and expose new surfaces. That's not a problem for stainless though.
 
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