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c.1923-1926 Packer Auto "RAY" Socket Set

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This is a late production (NLT 1926) Packer Auto Specialty Company “RAY” brand socket set.

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Packer Auto started in 1912 in the wood box pressed steel era. Like most of the early Mossberg copycats, they didn’t bother improving the sockets, but concentrated on a new handle – in their case, a ratchet, and built the entire “RAY” set and line around that tool. It was a long tubular clutch-type reversible ratchet with a folding Tee handle and a hollow male drive end, patented by Eben S. Packer in 1913 (1,057,495), similar to the early Auto-Cle type ratchet in the early Mossberg sets, but different, with internalized teeth, a feature they hit hard in ads to distinguish themselves from the Auto-Cle type.

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By 1921, they evolved, like Mossberg and so many other mfrgs, and started offering the set with a flat handled, pressed steel body, non-reversible female ratchet with a removeable drive plug.

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I don’t know exactly when they went to heavy-walled hot-forged cold-broached sockets and hot-forged handles, such as my set. I can’t find this set in any vintage ads. But, it had to be after 1922, the last year they were advertising the pressed steel sets, and before 1927, when they merged with a couple of other small companies into Auto Accessories Corporation of America, joining forces in an effort to beat off the emergent 600-lb gorillas (that would be the likes of Walden, Blackhawk, and the fledgling Snap-on) in the automotive tools sector. It didn’t work. They folded soon thereafter.
 

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This set includes a whopping twenty-four (24) sockets. Sixteen (16) hex sockets, ranging from 7/16” to 1-1/4”, and eight (8) square sockets, ranging from 3/8” to 15/16”. They have a unique interesting bell shape with all but the smallest sizes having a pronounced lip at the base. The walls are almost all knurled, except for a thin band of smooth steel finish, where each socket is marked with the “RAY” brand and its fractional size.

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The sockets do no have model numbers. Neither do the long extension or the drive plug. The handles do, including a speeder (410), a short brace type speeder (510), and a Tee spinner (710).

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The ratchet is not numbered and never had a model number as far as I can tell. If there was a handle with the model number 610, I’m not sure what it would be. Perhaps a hinge handle.

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All the tools are nickel-plated.

The clasps on the handle-less attache style case are marked LANGENAU / CLEVELAND, a manufacturing outfit that is, ironically, still in operation today.

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If you’re interested in seeing other examples of Packer Auto ‘RAY’ sets and tools, here are some links to earlier threads:

OldManTaylor’s very early Pressed Steel era set, small, wood box, with an early pipe or barrel type folding Tee-handle ratchet, but this one perhaps a replacement, made by F. H. Ayer
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380040

Don Long’s very early big wood box Pressed Steel era set, missing the pipe ratchet
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=323275

Outlaw’s 2018 Garage Sale thread find, a Pressed Steel era set with a later rocker ratchet (not sure if it’s branded “Ray” or not)
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7525451&postcount=7514

Jakemac’s 2017 Garage Sale thread find, a very large Pressed Steel era set with a later pressed steel “Ray” branded ratchet
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5990847

Chopper1’s set from the same era (forged handles and sockets) as mine, smaller box, fewer sockets, and just an L-handle to turn them
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104581&highlight=Packer+Auto

BillVonSteuben’s model No 300 Valve Lapper
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=403201

LesserSon’s fixed-socket Tee-handle
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5599646&postcount=10

Mr. Ric’s forged handles and socket set, with the “Ray” branded non-reversible ratchet, in a fitted wooden case
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3955961&postcount=11

Mr. Ric’s fantastic NOS or restored set, identical to mine, in an identical attache style case, but no ratchet
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3955990&postcount=12
 
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Yes, I posted more in a second post. (I should've used the old "1 of 3", "2 of 3" "3 of 3" trick! :lol:) I also posted links to additional "RAY" tools and sets that have popped up on various threads.
 

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I see them now. Nice set! You always seem to find the best early 20s stuff.
 

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Here is my only Ray tool. I’m not sure it it’s a ratchet wrench or a rudimentary hex drive ratchet.
-Don
 

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Here is my only Ray tool. I’m not sure it it’s a ratchet wrench or a rudimentary hex drive ratchet.
I suspect the former, Don. There's no indication, as far as I have been able to find, that they made any hex drive tools. But that's going by ads, hardware store catalogs, and the tools I have seen collected.
 

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Here it is with a pair of walden 4564 ford brake reverse band adjusters. Looks like the same size, but may be for something else.
 

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Here is the bog version (on ebay now), looks very similar
 

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Here it is with a pair of walden 4564 ford brake reverse band adjusters. Looks like the same size, but may be for something else.

I have a friend who is into Model T Fords, among other things, and he had those Walden tools. I know Lugz won’t mind me posting these pictures on his thread. It very well could be an early Ford specific tool.
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Nice looking set Lugz.


The single end ratcheting wrench is for Model T trans brake and reverse band adjustment and was sold by many of the old companies. Mossberg and Hinsdale can be included with those mentioned. The Mossberg have always seemed to be very common and are labeled for Ford right on the wrench.
 

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I don't have the energy to go back and look through all the ads I found (I only posted one early example and one later example to establish the timeline..), but they had some huge wood box sets with all the sockets and handles plus DOE wrenches and a pipe wrench and a pair of pliers, etc. It may have actually come with a few other special purpose wrenches in one of those.
 
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Nice info. Thanks. Here are two of my kits. The color label is on the inside cover. Oops. Loading pics now.
 

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Funny story I thought some of you might enjoy; sorry I did not have my camera with me today.

Anyhow don't tell my wife but at the cigar store I go to (err hardware store honey) one of the guys knows how I love tools and he had me walk out to his car and have a look see at his Grandfathers old tools; long story short version he said they had know names on them and should he just junk them ?

Oh **** pure vintage gold... First tool I pick up was a RAY wrench, followed by two sweet heart Stanley levels and last a Stanley bit brace. Three other tools covered in to much rust to read any other names. I told him to give the 4 tools to his nephew and the other three tools he could try and give them a soak in a rust solution and see if he could make out any names; if not he could give them to a Re-store for someone else too enjoy.

First RAY tool for me in all these many years!:beer:
 

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This is a little archive I procured recently alongside some various Mossberg tools of a similar vintage.

Looks like an incomplete set, as the ratchet is an early Indestro I think, but with some other interesting Indestro specialties dappled inside. I'd welcome comments on the universals in particular as I can't locate any markings to this point. One is hex-by-hex, and the other is hex-by-squared oval

Interesting sizes on some of the sockets I'd not seen before, such as 1-3/32"
 

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^ ratchet looks like a model 655. check that number on it: 1798481 ??

some early universal joints had no markings.

can't see exactly what you're talking about on the "flat oval" thing, but I believe that Walden made a socket drive system like what you're describing, if I am understanding you correctly.
 

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^ ratchet looks like a model 655. check that number on it: 1798481 ??

some early universal joints had no markings.

can't see exactly what you're talking about on the "flat oval" thing, but I believe that Walden made a socket drive system like what you're describing, if I am understanding you correctly.

Hit that patent number on the button, 4C. As for the "squared oval", I offer the attached pic.
 

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yeah I lifted your photo image and enlarged it after i posted that. definitely the model 655.
not sure on that u-joint. again, I think Walden did a drive system like that.
Private Lugnutz might want to weigh in on that one.
 
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I don't recall seeing a hex-drive universal in that ball-joint style before. It's not Packer Auto, though.

The other one does look like it might be Walden-Worcester, as 4.c alluded to. They had an apparently short-lived and under-documented "oval drive" system (Patent 1,596,708, Bellows, 1926). The shape is more like an oval with two flat sides, commonly mistaken for square-drive sockets with so-called "Double D" service openings, which are used on a number of things (e.g., Model T front axle hub nuts, Trico windshield wipers, Stromberg carb jets, etc). I don't recall seeing a uni joint before, but if they built a whole drive system around the shape, it's not surprising that they would make a uni joint for it to serve the same purpose as a square- or hex-rive uni joint.
 

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I don't recall seeing a hex-drive universal in that ball-joint style before. It's not Packer Auto, though.

The other one does look like it might be Walden-Worcester, as 4.c alluded to. They had an apparently short-lived and under-documented "oval drive" system (Patent 1,596,708, Bellows, 1926). The shape is more like an oval with two flat sides, commonly mistaken for square-drive sockets with so-called "Double D" service openings, which are used on a number of things (e.g., Model T front axle hub nuts, Trico windshield wipers, Stromberg carb jets, etc). I don't recall seeing a uni joint before, but if they built a whole drive system around the shape, it's not surprising that they would make a uni joint for it to serve the same purpose as a square- or hex-rive uni joint.

I appreciate very much all the input, gentlemen!
 

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I don't recall seeing a hex-drive universal in that ball-joint style before.

Third or fourth time I've come back to this batch of photos and I am flummoxed on that one - never seen anything like that, and I've looked at a LOT of sockets sets on Ebay. :headscrat
 

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I don't recall seeing a hex-drive universal in that ball-joint style before. It's not Packer Auto, though.

The other one does look like it might be Walden-Worcester, as 4.c alluded to. They had an apparently short-lived and under-documented "oval drive" system (Patent 1,596,708, Bellows, 1926). The shape is more like an oval with two flat sides, commonly mistaken for square-drive sockets with so-called "Double D" service openings, which are used on a number of things (e.g., Model T front axle hub nuts, Trico windshield wipers, Stromberg carb jets, etc). I don't recall seeing a uni joint before, but if they built a whole drive system around the shape, it's not surprising that they would make a uni joint for it to serve the same purpose as a square- or hex-rive uni joint.

Third or fourth time I've come back to this batch of photos and I am flummoxed on that one - never seen anything like that, and I've looked at a LOT of sockets sets on Ebay. :headscrat

Forget about this thread from last week already?

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8349359#post8349359

It may be another Hol-Set swivel.
 

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Sorry guys, tried to find this thread, but GJ search isnt great. Just got this set at auction, for under $10. About half the sockets are marked (A), with mossberg being most of the rest. Ratchet is stamped Pat Pend. so dates the set sometime between 1912 and 1920.IMG_20200809_123837_03.jpg1597092070153.jpg1597092338662.jpg

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I just looked through the other threads with "RAY" sets and couldn't find anyone else who noticed or showed photos of the early pressed steel sockets with the Circle-A logo before, Cruzan. As steaks&anvils pointed out on the GS2020 thread, that is an F.H. Ayers logo. What's cool about that discovery is that we figured out a few years ago that F.H Ayers provided the tubular reversible ratchet that some of the early "RAY" sets came with. (Click on the first link in post #5 on this thread, or the second Packer Auto "RAY" link in the Index in the Stickie for more info on that.) I am guessing that Ayers was providing the sockets as well and it just hasn't been noticed before. So thanks for posting.
 

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I just looked through the other threads with "RAY" sets and couldn't find anyone else who noticed or showed photos of the early pressed steel sockets with the Circle-A logo before, Cruzan. As steaks&anvils pointed out on the GS2020 thread, that is an F.H. Ayers logo. What's cool about that discovery is that we figured out a few years ago that F.H Ayers provided the tubular reversible ratchet that some of the early "RAY" sets came with. (Click on the first link in post #5 on this thread, or the second Packer Auto "RAY" link in the Index in the Stickie for more info on that.) I am guessing that Ayers was providing the sockets as well and it just hasn't been noticed before. So thanks for posting.

Lugnutz,

Alloy Artifacts seems to confirm your thoughts on mish-mashed sets. But they don't say whether this was by the companies or if users mixed sets because they did fit together:

The F.H. Ayer pressed-steel sockets were interchangeable with those supplied by the Frank Mossberg Company, the leading maker of pressed-steel socket sets. Ayer sockets were also compatible with "Ray" brand sockets from the Packer Auto Specialty Company, another Chicago-area maker of socket sets. Given the proximity of the Ayer and Packer companies, the socket sets from either company may be found with sockets or tools from the other maker included.
 

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Found this couple days ago. Thought it was a Walden and chunked it in the soak. From reading on this forum apparently Lesser Son has one also. A5EF0526-E08E-4399-8024-547E8E82E2DD.jpeg. It’s a RAY 619. 1/2-5/8-1/2
 
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