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I’ve been operating off a small portable pancake compressor for several years after moving and selling my 60 gallon IR single stage compressor back several years ago. I’m reaching the point where I’m ready to replace the little guy with something more appropriate. I’ve had this in my sights for a while:

2340L5-V 5hp 60 gal Two-Stage Compressor (230/1) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005HPTQR6/?tag=atomicindus08-20

My current air consumption is generally for relatively low-cfm requirements (general air tools, plasma cutter, occasional hvlp sprayer), but I would like the option to add a blast cabinet in the not too distant future. I also want to purchase this once and be done. Power will be 230V single phase. I’m not interested in the trouble of a 3-phase unit, even though I know there are some benefits to them.

I’ve always been a fan of the Ingersol Rand stuff, but at this price point some other options are available. One of which is Quincy, who I’ve heard makes great compressors as well.

Just wanted to get some feedback from the group on recommendations and why.
 
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Do you need to buy new?

Have you looked for older 80 gal two stage units such as the IR T-30, Model 253. This will supply more than enough air for your future blasting needs.....25+cfm and be cheaper than a brand new one.

Also look for used compressors from companies such as Quincy, Gardner Denver, Champion, Speedaire, Kellogg, Curtis, etc.
 
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Do you need to buy new?

Have you looked for older 80 gal two stage units such as the IR T-30, Model 253. This will supply more than enough air for your future blasting needs.....25+cfm and be cheaper than a brand new one.

Also look for used compressors from companies such as Quincy, Gardner Denver, Champion, Speedaire, Kellogg, Curtis, etc.

I'm open to buying used - just didn't know exactly what I should look for.
 
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Saylor-Beall made in St. Johns MI has a good reputation and has 5 hp 240 Volt two-stage models. They run at low rpm's so they are quiet.
https://www.saylor-beall.com/tank-mounted-vertical/

Those are nice compressors, but out of my budget. For the amount that I will use the compressor, noise isn't top on the list of priorities. It's there, but not the top. I'm hoping to target the $1-$1.5K range.

I will keep my eyes open for a used Saylor-Beall model though - that could be promising.
 

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Those are nice compressors, but out of my budget. For the amount that I will use the compressor, noise isn't top on the list of priorities. It's there, but not the top. I'm hoping to target the $1-$1.5K range.

I will keep my eyes open for a used Saylor-Beall model though - that could be promising.

I bought one from a local air compressor sales and repair business for $1K, w/a new Baldor 5 hp/240 volt 1 phase motor, and a new junction box, the rest refurbished. Saylor-Beall has disc valves, which are reliable and long-lasting. It is the 80 gallon upright model: VT-735-80.
 

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I just replaced an old Dayton USA made single stage 60g at home, I looked around a bit for used USA Made in the $1000~1500 range,no luck. We have a nice quiet Champion 80g at work, but it's a $3k compressor.
So I settled on a Campbell Housfeld 80g 2 stage, same money as the cheaper 2 stage IR from tractor supply. $1000.
 

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I have an older Campbell Hausfeld 230 volt 1 phase 15 amp portable wheeled horizontal 30 gallon tank compressor, 2 stage, cast iron pump, w/a new switch and reed valve, new head gasket, I've been trying to sell for $200 in so. Florida. 8 CFM @ 90 psi. It's been sitting since I bought my Saylor-Beall. I've had it >30 years, it got occasional use, never in a business, just home shop use. The older Campbell Hausfeld compressors with their cast-iron compressors seem to have longevity.
 

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I'm looking at some (smaller) Jenny compressors. But in your price range and size I'd look at Quincy and IR, maybe BelAire?

Check with Compressor Pros at compressorpros.com.
 

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If buying new, I'd buy a Qunicy. The newer IR have pumps made in Inda that look like play dough. I found they straight out terribly looking. I'm not in a rush to upgrade my compressor, but have been eyeing up the 60 gallon Quincy that Northern stocks on the floor. The cfm ratings for it are the best I have seen for a 60 gallon and pretty much in line with the lower grade 5 hp 80 gallons. To me it looks like the perfect mix between more air while keeping the footprint as small as possible.
 

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If buying new, I'd buy a Qunicy. The newer IR have pumps made in Inda that look like play dough. I found they straight out terribly looking. I'm not in a rush to upgrade my compressor, but have been eyeing up the 60 gallon Quincy that Northern stocks on the floor. The cfm ratings for it are the best I have seen for a 60 gallon and pretty much in line with the lower grade 5 hp 80 gallons. To me it looks like the perfect mix between more air while keeping the footprint as small as possible.

I do like those Quincy's at NT. Very sharp indeed. Space for me is at a premium though, and I have 110 only in my garage. Hence the smaller Jenny that runs on 110. Still has 30 gal. The smaller Quincy's don't really do it for me, which is a shame. (Horizontal tank and 20 gal.)
 
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My dad had a Champion 80 gallon. Purchased perhaps 40 years ago. I think it's still in use with the person who took over the work. I think my fathers was the Champion RV-15 which is the lesser brother of the R-15 pump. It was used for sand blasting, painting and running air tools. I suspect by the time you step into a compressor with a magnetic starter, etc you are going to find all perform nicely.

For home shop use, unless you really have a need for a true 5 hp pump, even the cheaper "80 gallon class" compressors will be fine. My father no longer does painting and his blasting is limited. He's quite happy with a 13 cfm, 2 stage Husky/Campbell Hausfeld 80 gallon compressor. The step up from any 120V compressor to a 60-80 gallon tank with more than twice the pump is a big jump.
 

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I've got an 80 gallon emax compressor installed with a 10 hp motor and the silent air box mounted on it. https://www.homedepot.com/p/EMAX-In...ressure-lubricated-pump-HSP10V080V1/300266718

It's super quiet, 60 db when it's running. I bought it from Home Depot when it was on sale a couple years ago for 2995 plus tax delivered to my door. It's a heavy beast at close to 900 lbs. It has an Eaton pump on it and an American made motor. Also came with an automatic drain. Can't beat it for the price.

Keep an eye on home Depot. These go on sale several times a year for steep discounts.
 
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So as usual, this site has me looking up things I don't really need to, as I have a Quincy that fulfills every need I have of it. But was wondering, how is Campbell Hausfeld able to sell an 80 gallon at the price that others can only manage a 60 gallon at? I looked up the components, they all seem to be US made just like other brands.
 

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IR is a toy import machine until you get the T30. Avoid.

Bob15 pretty much nailed it.

But those Emax machines look very appealing, and at a lower price point then similarly equipped machines.
 
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The smaller hp emax got below 2000 in the silent 80 gal configuration. Keep an eye out, they are a solid investment.
 

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The cheap Quincy's aren't that good. Sort of in the same category as the new I-R made in India models. I'd go with a Champion or even a Curtis all day long. The best deal going in my opinion is the Eaton/EMAX. Especially the ones with the muffler. Chinese Saylor-Beall copies on the compressor head but apparently very good copies. A good copy of a true classic is better than a value engineered new *************.
 
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So as usual, this site has me looking up things I don't really need to, as I have a Quincy that fulfills every need I have of it. But was wondering, how is Campbell Hausfeld able to sell an 80 gallon at the price that others can only manage a 60 gallon at? I looked up the components, they all seem to be US made just like other brands.

I've looked at this a bit as I've been dealing with some of the 80 gallon compressors in the ~$1000 price point.

I'm not sure how much difference there is in the cost of the tank itself (60 vs 80). I suspect the better brands do have more robust tanks. Anyway, looking at the cost of stand alone tanks I suspect the 60 vs 80 gallon difference is no more than $200.

The rest of the difference seems to be the quality/robustness of the rest of the hardware.

As examples consider this CH/Husky 5hp model
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-80-Gal-5-HP-2-Stage-Air-Compressor-HS5181/100005910
vs this Champion 5hp (I picked the horizontal because the vertical had the wrong picture)
https://championcompressor.net/products/hr5-8/

I don't know much about the motors other than you can see that many of the better models (say a 5hp Champion with an R-15 pump

Both are rated at 5hp but I wouldn't be surprised if the Champion had a higher current draw given the 17cfm vs 14cfm ratings. The CH appears to use a lighter motor frame. Basically I wouldn't expect it to handle heavier use as well.

Next, you can see the Champion has an electrical control box. That contains the magnetic starter. This is effectively the power switch for the motor. The CH uses the pressure switch to directly switch the motor on and off. My understanding is this is harder on the motor and the contacts in the pressure switch can wear over time. 5hp is the tipping point where companies start using magnetic starters instead of running the motor current through the pressure switch. The CH is a 3400 rpm motor vs 1700 rpm. I'm not sure why the slower motor is more robust or efficient but low motor RPM seems to be one of the things people look for. Note that motor and pump RPMs are different and, within limits, you can simply run different size pulleys to keep the same pump speed.

Both models are 2 stage and have an intercooler between stages. I presume the Champion is better but I don't know that. The Champion appears to have an after cooler. That's a nice added feature.

The Champion contains an auto drain vs having to reach under the tank. In an industrial setting that's nice to avoid having to get someone to remember to drain the tank daily.

We already see there is a difference in pump flow rate. I don't know if that is because one is more efficient or just that not all hp are created equally. Also, just because the motor "can" produce 5hp doesn't mean the motor is producing 5hp. Still, the Husky is using a simply reed valve plate while the Champion uses disk valves. Those valves probably flow better but also can be serviced. I suspect you will find the Champion has better cooling which allows it to run a heavier duty cycle. I think the Champion can run a 100% duty cycle. I suspect the Husky isn't rated to 100%. Another small thing is the Champion has an unloader valve for both pump stages. The Husky only has an unloader that operates with the pressure switch vs a centrifugal unloader. I assume the centrifugal unloader not just releases the pressure as the motor turns off but allows the motor to spin up a bit more before it has to deal with the load of compressing air. The Husky's unloader closes the moment the pressure switch turns on. That startup load might be the limiting factor here.

Anyway, the difference is in lots of details like that. I suspect the net result is if you put something like the Husky in a heavy use industrial environment it won't last years with nothing but scheduled service.
 
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A great deal of info provided so far here. Really interesting to see all the inputs. Although out of my initial budget, I'm drawn to the EMax compressors. It looks like the smallest unit is a 80 gallon, which is a bit larger that I originally wanted, but otherwise looks tempting.

Does anyone have one of these that can comment on it?

I have heard the T30 IR pumps are the bee's knees... but comparing the specs of the IR to a similar EMax - the Emax wins. I'm considering bumping up my budget in hopes of being able to keep this compressor for a long time.

EMax or IR (T30)?
 

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A great deal of info provided so far here. Really interesting to see all the inputs. Although out of my initial budget, I'm drawn to the EMax compressors. It looks like the smallest unit is a 80 gallon, which is a bit larger that I originally wanted, but otherwise looks tempting.

Does anyone have one of these that can comment on it?

I have heard the T30 IR pumps are the bee's knees... but comparing the specs of the IR to a similar EMax - the Emax wins. I'm considering bumping up my budget in hopes of being able to keep this compressor for a long time.

EMax or IR (T30)?
How hard are you going to use it?
 
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How hard are you going to use it?

For now, not very. Hobbyist use at best. Will probably invest in a blasting cabinet at some time in the future. My highest demand tool currently is probably my DA sander, and I haven't used that in years.

Edit: I should add that while my usage will probably be really low, I don't want to have to upgrade this down the road. I had an old "5 horsepower" IR 60 gallon compressor that had single digit CFM at 90 psi. The advertised horsepower was overrated and there was a class-action lawsuit because of it. I sanded and painted a truck with it and worked it to death. I would probably still have it and wouldn't be looking for a replacement, but I moved due to my job and had to sell it because we downsized. Now I kick myself, but want to replace (and upgrade) what I had with something that will last a long time and I won't outgrow.
 
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The emax should live quite a long time in a hobby environment, just keep up on the maintenance.

My 10 hp emax I have with the silent air is sweet and well built. It replaced an Ingersoll 80 gallon 7.5 hp compressor that took a ****. The Ingersoll had replaced a 5hp older Quincy. The emax sure seems to weigh double the Ingersoll and the Quincy. You can get a good deal on the 7.5 hp with the silent air box and auto drain delivered to your door from the home Depot for a good price if you keep an eye on the site. Every few months they put on a good sale.

Also, emax, Eaton compressor, and polar air all operate out of the same building, so I'd assume the are all really similar if not identical on some models looking at the pics and specs. The flexzilla silent air compressor is also identical to my emax. I looked at one on a Matco truck after I had bought the emax.
 

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The cheap Quincy's aren't that good. Sort of in the same category as the new I-R made in India models. I'd go with a Champion or even a Curtis all day long. The best deal going in my opinion is the Eaton/EMAX. Especially the ones with the muffler. Chinese Saylor-Beall copies on the compressor head but apparently very good copies. A good copy of a true classic is better than a value engineered new *************.

Quoted for truth!

I'm also not a fan of Quincy anymore, on account of their poor quality control. I like that they're US-made, don't get me wrong, but that doesn't do much for me when the compressor is ******* air through a cross threaded outlet valve and the replacement compressor has a defective check valve. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, right? :confused:
 

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The emax should live quite a long time in a hobby environment, just keep up on the maintenance.

My 10 hp emax I have with the silent air is sweet and well built. It replaced an Ingersoll 80 gallon 7.5 hp compressor that took a ****. The Ingersoll had replaced a 5hp older Quincy. The emax sure seems to weigh double the Ingersoll and the Quincy. You can get a good deal on the 7.5 hp with the silent air box and auto drain delivered to your door from the home Depot for a good price if you keep an eye on the site. Every few months they put on a good sale.

Also, emax, Eaton compressor, and polar air all operate out of the same building, so I'd assume the are all really similar if not identical on some models looking at the pics and specs. The flexzilla silent air compressor is also identical to my emax. I looked at one on a Matco truck after I had bought the emax.

This one already seems like a good deal, and sounds similar to what you have:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/EMAX-In...ressure-lubricated-pump-HSP10V080V1/300266718

38 CFM, 60 dBA, five year warranty for 3K? 6 months no interest on your Home Depot card. If this was an in store thing, you could probably get them to do more interest free time (1 year, 2 years maybe?), but I don't know how you could negotiate something like that online.
 

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That $3k compressor seems a bit crazy to me. First, it really sounds like the OP's needs could easily be addressed by a much cheaper option. I get spending a bit more but I bet this $1k option would be just as "sufficient" as the $3k option.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Campbel...or-14CFM-5HP-230V-1PH-HS5180-HS5180/300785629

The only thing the $1k option is missing is the intake muffler. Honestly, that can be DIY constructed. There really isn't much to it. I suspect you can get most of the benefit with a $20 intake filter/housing and some rubber hose.

Anyway, another issue with the $3k model is that's a 10hp motor. That might be an issue for the OP's electrical system.

The $3k model is certainly better but at some point more than "sufficient" is just burning cash. Still, not my money so this is just my free opinion.
 

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Well, not to stir up the poop, but I just bought a 5 hp 15 cfm @90 psi 2 stage for $600 from.......



Wait for it.................








Harbor Freight. Us made compressor, US made tank. Motor hecho en Mexico
 

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Well, not to stir up the poop, but I just bought a 5 hp 15 cfm @90 psi 2 stage for $600 from.......



Wait for it.................








Harbor Freight. Us made compressor, US made tank. Motor hecho en Mexico

I've seen nothing but good things from the HF 2-stage 60 gal. This is going to be my next compressor purchase.
 

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I just today ordered emax 7.5 silent 80 gallon tank from Home Depot and it was $500 off, with a 5 year warranty, compared to what I was about to buy a Quincy qt 5 but for a added $500 cost I got a lot more compressor both are made USA but the emax has aftercooler and a 60 db silent box. They have several on sale, I called emax before I hit order and very helpful and friendly rep answered all my questions, manly making sure it would ship to me with a lift gate.
 

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I just today ordered emax 7.5 silent 80 gallon tank from Home Depot and it was $500 off, with a 5 year warranty, compared to what I was about to buy a Quincy qt 5 but for a added $500 cost I got a lot more compressor both are made USA but the emax has aftercooler and a 60 db silent box. They have several on sale, I called emax before I hit order and very helpful and friendly rep answered all my questions, manly making sure it would ship to me with a lift gate.

You won't be disappointed with your purchase. I'm not usually vocal about many things I purchase, but the emax just plain kicks ****.
 

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I just today ordered emax 7.5 silent 80 gallon tank from Home Depot and it was $500 off, with a 5 year warranty, compared to what I was about to buy a Quincy qt 5 but for a added $500 cost I got a lot more compressor both are made USA but the emax has aftercooler and a 60 db silent box. They have several on sale, I called emax before I hit order and very helpful and friendly rep answered all my questions, manly making sure it would ship to me with a lift gate.

Glad to hear! Definitely keep us posted with your experience.
 
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