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Single wire (core) double insulated wire?

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I am looking for some 14 or 12 gauge stranded wire for 12 volt usage that has a double jacket, I see some that is designed around solar applications, but I can't find any in the US, anyone know where I might be able to buy some? Probably looking for 100', but if I had to buy 1000', I guess I would still be interested.
 
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Just curious about the application - double jacket provides additional physical protection?
 
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Yes, trying to run some single wires to different ends of a truck and wanted the added protection and cleaner look. The truck currently has some on it and it looks great and has held up well, just can't find any info on it since it was installed in 1997.
 

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Look at the Marine wire suppliers (boating) they have might have what you need, or companies that wire up freight truck trailers?
 

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I found this place: https://www.atlaswirecorp.com/dual-extrusion-wires-double-insulated/ Note they call it dual extrusion wire, that may help your search. I assume they don't sell to individuals, but you may be able to find a distributor.

Personally, I'd be more worried about finding wire that has a higher number of individual strands, it will be more resistant to fatiguing from vibration.
 

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Yes, trying to run some single wires to different ends of a truck and wanted the added protection and cleaner look. The truck currently has some on it and it looks great and has held up well, just can't find any info on it since it was installed in 1997.
Can you find any markings at all on the existing wire?
 

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thhn wire has a nylon outer coating but it's not that flexible. it's also oil and gas resistant if it also has MTW stamped on it.
 

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If you really double insulation, you can find it from electronic distributors (Mouser, Digi-Key, RS, etc) from manufacturers like Alpha or Belden. The typical outer insulation is nylon, which is very tough. Like THHN, the extra layer makes it less flexible.

You will pay "through the nose" even for just 25' !

Marine wire is "tinned" copper and survives better in harsh environments but it is not double insulated. They do make 2 and 3 conductor marine wire (multiple gauges) that has an external sheathing like NM-B.
 
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I got a system for truck wire. Rolled black poll tube, common boxes, you can puncture tube to run a wire out, even a cord. I use common cable clamps so it's a smooth push. I spray all the screws, put covers on and caulk over 3 sides to keep water from running thru it and do not use all the connectors and shrink **** that holds any water that gets in it.
I normally use wire nuts and stick the spray can straw in them and give a shot and a breeze around the inside of the box before putting the cover on. They always work, never had a connection fail and took some 30 yr old ones apart a while back, wire ends looked new.
Park the nuts up so they can't catch water, I normally use a 4x4, covers the studs on light fixture and usually caulk between box and steel. Can run the pipe from engine compartment to the bumper, just shove down the frame, can push wires single handed. All common stuff, use old common cord to marker lights, all kinds of versions of this but it's simple and lasts. Tolerates continious pressure wash, easy to add and splice.
 

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I could use regular duplex, but I felt that if they make the proper cable, why not use it? The original stuff was all painted, I have not tried to scrape off the paint, but I will give that a shot and also check out some of the ideas I got here. The factory zip ties are almost $1 each and you have to buy 50 to get any, clearly they worked very well, so I am getting some of those to help with cable management.
 
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As for the application, this is for the switch that turns on my front hydraulic pump and the interior ground wire for a backup alarm, so 14 gauge should be fine and they don’t really run with any of the other harnesses, just trying to stick with something simple.
 
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Simple is extension cord. It lasts a long time time under a truck. Never had a piece fail. I got some old heavy 2 wire you can see in a pic I use on a trailer, been on there 30 years, looks like it was just put on. I realize they make special stuff but the object is to make it work, not to see how much money can be parked in it. Finding common materials and economical makes it way more satisfying in the long run. Be different if it was a moon shot, big budget.
I got no problem buying what I need and I used to toss money at stuff like this, used every fitting they invented and I could find but after a while came up with more simple system that worked, was easy to find, repeatable, didn't end up with **** on the shelf that was 1 suited.
 

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I would recommend Type W, but it appears to not come in a small enough gauge for your request.
 

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Yes, cord and common thwn in plastic pipe is dandy. It doesn't have to be "flex" really, it's tuff and I got a spool of various colors, yellow, brown, green, black and white, red. I think I might have blue too, pull it from my building wire, one stock both jobs. I like 14 for most common lights, got nothing against a piece of cord to markers, enter the jbox with same connectors. Tying it in secure is what makes it last, enclosing the connections, no point in some exotic wire with a **** connection. Air brake tube for some, I have shoved it in all kinds of hoses but rolled plastic is great, it's super tuff, I got some wrecked extension cord I collected. For turn color the white as a yellow, use the black as a brown. Green right turn. I find some repair rewarding to find a good economical way of doing it,,, so much faster when it's cheaper and don't got to life save for every piece. There are enough parts you need without seeing how exotic you got to make it. Covering studs keeps from replacing fixtures due to rust. I bet speaker wire would work for modern markers. Common lamp cord. Very durable. Tie and tape up so it doesn't get pulled.
 
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I wouldn't use anything I couldn't get from an auto parts of box store. Buy a big bag of tie wraps. Couple sizes, way less painful to use a couple when they ain't a buck a piece.
 
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I think there is a misconception, I wasn’t asking how to be economical about this, I don’t really care about “wasting” my money, so I don’t think anyone else should be either. I just want a single wire with a double jacket, nice and clean, fits my purpose perfectly. If I wanted two or three or seven wires, I would have asked about that. Sorry, but I feel like I am being assaulted by the economic police.
 

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I think there is a misconception, I wasn’t asking how to be economical about this, I don’t really care about “wasting” my money, so I don’t think anyone else should be either. I just want a single wire with a double jacket, nice and clean, fits my purpose perfectly. If I wanted two or three or seven wires, I would have asked about that. Sorry, but I feel like I am being assaulted by the economic police.


i don't get it. 2 wire jacketed has what you want, is readily available and looks like as nice. why you going to ************** on single conductor jacketed?


but its your money here ya go:
https://bulkwire.com/solar-pv-wire-600v-ul-4703

also:
https://www.awcwire.com/part.aspx?partname=pv-12-65t
 

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What you originally referred to is PV Wire (photovoltaic). You should be able to get it at just about any wire supplier.
 
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