The VISES of Garage Journal

[TonyCH]

Here is one of my new small ones... Its in very nice shape.

 

[Shiftless]

Here is one of my new small ones... Its in very nice shape.

Nice find Tony! Looking good

 

[mikeswrenches]

Here is one of my new small ones... Its in very nice shape.

Very nice!! I like those little British vices.

 

[Maddog1337]

I finished up my 4" '400-R' Ridge Tool Co (I believe what we now know as Ridgid) Vise. No Wilton but definitely still a good hunk of USA metal. My first vise restoration and I'm really happy with how it turned out. I still need to get some fasteners and mounting hardware, in the pictures I don't have anything cranked down very tight. The acme threaded rod is held in place by a fixed female nut, and the rod uses an internal tooth style locking washer to keep everything in place. With some finesse those locking washers can be reused but I busted them up - so I have a 5/8" shaft collar on order which I hope will work for me. I spent a considerable amount of time with the die grinder and 2" Roloc pads cleaning it up, not sure if I'd do that again to the body. Sorry for a million pictures but my girlfriend likes to use her camera. I think it turned out great.

For the most part I did everything by the book. Maybe sacrilegious to turn Ridgid red into green, but oh well. I painted the pipe jaws because I probably won't use those much, and I'm in the rust belt.

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Before/after of sharpie paint pen on the lettering...

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Tools of the show...

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Thanks for looking!

 

[Tim H.]

Shift - nice work in the red arrow.



Yes, made by Colombian. Someone else would have more info, but I think those were made in the 80s or later.



Just a part number. Check the side of the dynamic jaw by the nose of the vise or below the makers mark on the static for a date.

Found it! 1240
Thanks!

 

[davethorik]

Went for a nice drive today, picked this bad boy up. Wanted one forever, and it's probably the cheapest Emmert I can find, haha. They are not very common.

I know the word patina gets overused, but other than a wipe down & grease, I absolutely am in love with how this vise looks. Good shape, but used.

The wrench I believe is original for the swivel lock. It doesn't have a hex like Parker wrenches, but it has a ramped tooth that engages a similar ramped tooth on the vise itself.

Emmert Tiger no. 44
5" jaws, opens 8", weighs 82 lbs.

 

[Fierljeppen]

davethorik...That's a bad *** looking vise! I know so little about that particular model and an initial search wasn't promising.

Nice grab, I believe it qualifies for the spreadsheet.

 

[bastel]

Bugatti sale update: 6800€ offered, seller told me.
Let's look at this mystery bullet instead. It pops up now and then, and there is one in the US. No idea who made these, but I am guessing german.

 

[rusty65]

Went for a nice drive today, picked this bad boy up. Wanted one forever, and it's probably the cheapest Emmert I can find, haha. They are not very common.



I know the word patina gets overused, but other than a wipe down & grease, I absolutely am in love with how this vise looks. Good shape, but used.



The wrench I believe is original for the swivel lock. It doesn't have a hex like Parker wrenches, but it has a ramped tooth that engages a similar ramped tooth on the vise itself.



Emmert Tiger no. 44

5" jaws, opens 8", weighs 82 lbs.

Yes original. If you look it’s actually sort of like a wedge cam like action. Emmertt used this design for swivels and locks on the large pattern makers vises.
My 6a Emmett vise is like I described I’m not sure yours is but I’m assuming it is.

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[davethorik]

Yes original. If you look it’s actually sort of like a wedge cam like action. Emmertt used this design for swivels and locks on the large pattern makers vises.
My 6a Emmett vise is like I described I’m not sure yours is but I’m assuming it is.

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Before i bought this, i tried finding every Emmert Tiger pic i could, especially swivel base versions. Most of them look different than mine...standard looking flat, rounded feet on the swivel base. And the "standard" swivel lock, a cross drilled threaded rod with sliding bar handle.

I was worried this was a frankenvise...cuz of the wrench, the doubled nuts on the swivel lock, and the different looking swivel base with gusseted feet. Until i had a moment of clarity and looked at the Emmert Universal vises like yours rusty.

Swivel base, double nuts, wrench...all dead ringers for those on the universal. I said tooth, but yes cam is how this works. I did find 2 other Tigers with the gusseted base and wrench as well, so apparently there are at least 2 versions of the Tiger.

 

[TonyCH]

Thanks guys.

Here is another one. Nameless but I suspect British?

 

[dutchgray]

Bugatti sale update: 6800€ offered, seller told me.
Let's look at this mystery bullet instead. It pops up now and then, and there is one in the US. No idea who made these, but I am guessing german.

That bullet is a bit different isn't it, jaw towers are very curved back.

 

[dannyr]

Thanks guys.

Here is another one. Nameless but I suspect British?

Do you think? - I would have guessed from India, based on UK design.
What width jaws?

Like your other Record etc - I have a 'collection ' of small UK vices - many names - must photo and post, even if not cleaned up.

best regards to Finland from Sheffield UK

 

[TonyCH]

Do you think? - I would have guessed from India, based on UK design.
What width jaws?

Like your other Record etc - I have a 'collection ' of small UK vices - many names - must photo and post, even if not cleaned up.

best regards to Finland from Sheffield UK

Cheers!

I am purely quessing, no idea really. Lets say British style then.

Jaw width 29mm (1.14").

 

[mikeswrenches]

Here’s a Stanley that isn’t in the data base. A rather uncommon Four Square no. 1145.

Jaw width 2 1/2 in. In Walter's Stanley 'Bible'
Opens 1 7/8 inch
Weight 3 1/2 lbs.
Finish is Black Japanning, Gray & Red at end of production
Manufactured from 1923-1935
Swivel base and extra pipe jaws added in 1934

This example has 2 inch jaws rather than the 2 1/2 inch ones listed in "Antique & Collectible Stanley Tools" by John Walter. Until a couple more examples surface, I don’t know whether this is a misprint in the book or another size was made that John was unaware of.

 

[Mark in Indiana]

I finished up my 4" '400-R' Ridge Tool Co (I believe what we now know as Ridgid) Vise. No Wilton but definitely still a good hunk of USA metal. My first vise restoration and I'm really happy with how it turned out. I still need to get some fasteners and mounting hardware, in the pictures I don't have anything cranked down very tight. The acme threaded rod is held in place by a fixed female nut, and the rod uses an internal tooth style locking washer to keep everything in place. With some finesse those locking washers can be reused but I busted them up - so I have a 5/8" shaft collar on order which I hope will work for me. I spent a considerable amount of time with the die grinder and 2" Roloc pads cleaning it up, not sure if I'd do that again to the body. Sorry for a million pictures but my girlfriend likes to use her camera. I think it turned out great.

For the most part I did everything by the book. Maybe sacrilegious to turn Ridgid red into green, but oh well. I painted the pipe jaws because I probably won't use those much, and I'm in the rust belt.


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Thanks for looking!

Very nice restoration.
I was looking over the details of your vise and wondering if the body was cast by Lakeside Forge. The cast vises for Montgomery-Ward and other brands. Is there a "V" with a number cast on the body pieces (see second picture)?
First picture is a Lakeside vise I restored, that's similar to your Ridgid vise.

 

[akasrick]

1896 Tool Catalog excerpt.

akasrick

 

[bastel]

That bullet is a bit different isn't it, jaw towers are very curved back.

Yes, I believe it to be cast steel, since there are no jaw inserts.

 

[Maui]

Has anyone ever run across the Parker 705 1/2 vise? I have one, and posted a discusion about it here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=450233&highlight=unusual+parker+vises

I have yet to see any other photos of this vise or to see it mentioned anywhere else on the ‘net. Yes, I know it looks exactly like a Trojan vise. But mine doesn’t say Trojan on it anywhere.

Maui

 

[RTM]

Here’s a Stanley that isn’t in the data base. A rather uncommon Four Square no. 1145.

Jaw width 2 1/2 in. In Walter's Stanley 'Bible'
Opens 1 7/8 inch
Weight 3 1/2 lbs.
Finish is Black Japanning, Gray & Red at end of production
Manufactured from 1923-1935
Swivel base and extra pipe jaws added in 1934

This example has 2 inch jaws rather than the 2 1/2 inch ones listed in "Antique & Collectible Stanley Tools" by John Walter. Until a couple more examples surface, I don’t know whether this is a misprint in the book or another size was made that John was unaware of.

https://archive.org/details/StanleyCatalogueNo341934/page/n175/mode/2up

The 1926 and 1934 catalogs both show 2" jaw widths.

 

[Vise]

Has anyone ever run across the Parker 705 1/2 vise? I have one, and posted a discusion about it here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=450233&highlight=unusual+parker+vises

I have yet to see any other photos of this vise or to see it mentioned anywhere else on the ‘net. Yes, I know it looks exactly like a Trojan vise. But mine doesn’t say Trojan on it anywhere.

Maui

Factory misprint, IMO. Almost certainly a mismarked Trojan.

 

[Maui]

There is no literature that anyone has found with a Trojan having a designation of 705 1/2. And it does not have Trojan on it. It is identified as a Parker vise. It does not appear to be mismarked.

 

[NJ Marty]

Went for a nice drive today, picked this bad boy up. Wanted one forever, and it's probably the cheapest Emmert I can find, haha. They are not very common.

I know the word patina gets overused, but other than a wipe down & grease, I absolutely am in love with how this vise looks. Good shape, but used.

The wrench I believe is original for the swivel lock. It doesn't have a hex like Parker wrenches, but it has a ramped tooth that engages a similar ramped tooth on the vise itself.

Emmert Tiger no. 44
5" jaws, opens 8", weighs 82 lbs.

Im so glad you just gave it a wipe down and didn't do anything else that would diminish the value of this great vise. A wipe down is all that is needed in so many cases and looks better IMO.

 

[Vise]

There is no literature that anyone has found with a Trojan having a designation of 705 1/2. And it does not have Trojan on it. It is identified as a Parker vise. It does not appear to be mismarked.

You can fill a warehouse with the literature people haven’t found. Mismarked in that it wasn’t marked Trojan.

 

[Redlordamazon]

Restored my Grandfathers Craftsman vise.

 

[Burn1]

Redlord,
Nice looking Craftsman. What color/brand of red paint is that. Excellent color!

 

[Redlordamazon]

Thanks. Rustoleum regal red.

 

[Maui]

You can fill a warehouse with the literature people haven’t found. Mismarked in that it wasn’t marked Trojan.

It appears that it wasn’t meant to be marked Trojan. There isn’t room for that name as it appears on other vises of the same design. If someone has literature that shows Parker offered these vises under their own name, please share it if you can.

 

[Vise]

It appears that it wasn’t meant to be marked Trojan. There isn’t room for that name as it appears on other vises of the same design. If someone has literature that shows Parker offered these vises under their own name, please share it if you can.

What am I missing here?





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[RBarnes]

Went for a nice drive today, picked this bad boy up. Wanted one forever, and it's probably the cheapest Emmert I can find, haha. They are not very common.

I know the word patina gets overused, but other than a wipe down & grease, I absolutely am in love with how this vise looks. Good shape, but used.

The wrench I believe is original for the swivel lock. It doesn't have a hex like Parker wrenches, but it has a ramped tooth that engages a similar ramped tooth on the vise itself.

Emmert Tiger no. 44
5" jaws, opens 8", weighs 82 lbs.

I agree and also appreciate the original worn vintage used look . I always try to go by the theory that something can always be restored, but often things cannot be UN restored.

 

[KMScott]

I agree and also appreciate the original look worn vintage used look. I always try to go by the theory that something can always be restored, but often things cannot be UN restored.

Yes, look at all the vises I have destroyed. But they are being used in machine shops and weld shops around the country. A couple ways to look at it.

 

[rusty65]

Yes, look at all the vises I have destroyed. But they are being used in machine shops and weld shops around the country. A couple ways to look at it.

I agree it’s all about the situation and what one chooses to do. Your a excellent talented machinist and every vise you have restored no doubt was made better and will most definitely last longer.


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[Z3K3Y]

Does anyone know where to order some new jaws for a Woden No. 00 (2.25 wide jaws).i believe the Record and Woden No. 00's vise have the exact same jaw, I cant seem to find anything that small searching online

 

[outofbounds]

Fresh to FB Marketplace in the Detroit area. No affiliation to the seller:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/923636974761291/

 

[Dan8906]

Fresh to FB Marketplace in the Detroit area. No affiliation to the seller:



https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/923636974761291/

300 for the pair ain’t bad!!

 

[Loydski29]

What am I missing here?





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I think vise is correct looks like an unmarked Trojan to me.

 

[mikeswrenches]

https://archive.org/details/StanleyCatalogueNo341934/page/n175/mode/2up

Interesting that when Stanley went to the swivel base and color change, they also went to the double guide rod construction.

I see the 1934 catalog lists this vise as having two inch jaws. It looks like Walter was wrong when he listed it as 2 1/2.

The 1926 catalog, which shows the cast slide vise like mine, also shows the jaw width as 2 inch.

 

[Shiftless]

300 for the pair ain’t bad!!

No kidding!
Looks like a 4HD with base and a 450 without a base.
That’s a GREAT deal for just $300

 

[RBarnes]

Yes, look at all the vises I have destroyed. But they are being used in machine shops and weld shops around the country. A couple ways to look at it.

Why not simply let the current condition of a vise dictate the restoration done to it?

 

[Shiftless]

To me, the owner of the vise has the right to do whatever he/she wants to do with it, tempered by the anticipated future use. If it’s headed back into the daily workplace and the jaws are worn, then a new set of jaws is appropriate. If the vise is headed for a future of decorating a shelf somewhere, then a show car quality multi stage paint job in a non original but satisfying color is not wrong. If it’s for example, a 100 year old rare model with bare iron darkened by time, I myself would never wire wheel and paint it bright red. But a beat up Wilton Tradesman? Why not? I did. My buyer put it right to work.

If the goal is to maximize resale value, in many cases that means leaving something alone. But I don’t think that maximizing resale value and optimizing time spent versus market value increase is the primary motivation of most vise enthusiasts and collectors.

To each his own.


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